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[danfantastk32]

Works wonders when doing trades, but then again when doing trades, you have to ask yourselves, will the other team do It also?
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine

Well....people around here think we're stacked full of "elite" guys. Vando's an elite defender...DLo's an elite shooter. So why wouldn't all the other teams be throwing first-round-picks at us to get anything we might offer? Crazy we were only 5 games above .500 with all that elite talent on our squad.

[loveshaq007]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/chi/team2/lal

works just fine lol

[SlimShady83]

Works wonders when doing trades, but then again when doing trades, you have to ask yourselves, will the other team do It also?
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine

Forgive me In advance but like explained on the GB I'm drinking right now It's my Friday haha - heading to the city tomoz If weather holds. - can't wait.

Well....people around here think we're stacked full of "elite" guys. Vando's an elite defender...

Other then Defense what does Vando do?

DLo's an elite shooter. So why wouldn't

Can't defend, bad contract unless other teams want to shed some salary (Lavine) and what not dlo Is a bad contract

all the other teams be throwing first-round-picks at us to get anything we might offer? Crazy we were only 5 games above .500 with all that elite talent on our squad.

Haters gonna hate no matter who you're, but If you're on top It's even worse... Vando might be worth a FRP If the price Is right aka Wendell/Max Lewiss but would Orlando do It? ... DLO not In a miilion years worth a pic maybe 1 or 2 2nd round pics maybe. But the contract for dlo too small and ain't no one wanting anyone who can't play defense unless you're a 20+pts game scorer and (edit aka T. young) DLO not even that - esp when he shy's away In the big moments.

Edit: I gotta stop drinking and going on forum

Peace Slim

[SlimShady83]

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/chi/team2/lal

works just fine lol

That and I think the other Is. fanspo or something along those lines

[DanishLakerFan]

Works wonders when doing trades, but then again when doing trades, you have to ask yourselves, will the other team do It also?
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine

Well....people around here think we're stacked full of "elite" guys. Vando's an elite defender...DLo's an elite shooter. So why wouldn't all the other teams be throwing first-round-picks at us to get anything we might offer? Crazy we were only 5 games above .500 with all that elite talent on our squad.

There is a big difference between being elite at a specific skill and being elite overall.

As good as Vando and D'Lo are at their specifc skills they have holes in their games that make them tough to play in certain situations.

[chrbal]

Honestly asking. Are the Lakers just trying to run it back this season? Or are they waiting to make a move?

[danfantastk32]

Honestly asking. Are the Lakers just trying to run it back this season? Or are they waiting to make a move?

They are running it back.

Lebron opted out, and was willing to take a paycut down to $30mil-ish (I don't remember the exact number) to enable the team to sign someone with the MLE, or to sign Klay to just under $20mil a season...while staying under the 2nd apron. Klay obviously ended up in Dallas. I assume they had a couple other people they were interested in...maybe not. Either way, at some point about week ago, Lebron resigned a two year contract with a player option for next year. This allows him (if he wants) to opt out next year, if they think they can get someone.

But by signing him, they are now $45,000 below the 2nd apron. And that was everyone conceding that this was gonna be the roster for this year. There were no moves left.

[danfantastk32]

There is a big difference between being elite at a specific skill and being elite overall.

As good as Vando and D'Lo are at their specifc skills they have holes in their games that make them tough to play in certain situations.

Didn't DLo have a goose egg in the playoffs (hint...rhetorical, he did). Also had a 13 point game, and a 14 point game. Even by your watered down standards of elite......that's bogus. 3 out of 5 games in the postseason (where the ELITE shooters are getting you 28+points).....DLo was a waste of space. Elite shooter my ass. He's garbage

DLo's only elite talent is wearing out his welcome. He's a garbage player who can get hot, and hit 3's at a decent clip. But certainly not when it matters. The playoffs come, and he's not even "good" .......a far cry from elite.

Just so you can understand what Elite actually means....Lebron had 30, 30, 26, 26, and 27...on 56% shooting for the series. DLo was 38% on the series. You'll find better shooters at the park.

Do the math: You got Lebron and AD.....and yet your only 5 games over .500 <------there must be jack-sh**-all backing them up. If there was anyone else even good at what they did on this team (by NBA standards).....our record would reflect that.

[chrbal]

Honestly asking. Are the Lakers just trying to run it back this season? Or are they waiting to make a move?

They are running it back.

Lebron opted out, and was willing to take a paycut down to $30mil-ish (I don't remember the exact number) to enable the team to sign someone with the MLE, or to sign Klay to just under $20mil a season...while staying under the 2nd apron. Klay obviously ended up in Dallas. I assume they had a couple other people they were interested in...maybe not. Either way, at some point about week ago, Lebron resigned a two year contract with a player option for next year. This allows him (if he wants) to opt out next year, if they think they can get someone.

But by signing him, they are now $45,000 below the 2nd apron. And that was everyone conceding that this was gonna be the roster for this year. There were no moves left.

Wow. Good luck, I can’t see this season going that great for the Lakers

[Anderson Hunt]

Honestly asking. Are the Lakers just trying to run it back this season? Or are they waiting to make a move?

They are seeking a trade.

[danfantastk32]

Wow. Good luck, I can’t see this season going that great for the Lakers

Agree. Im pretty upset with where the Lakers are, and their refusal to acknowledge it's time to rebuild. We're not fun to watch, and we aren't very good....but not bad enough to get good picks.

[zuju]

Most Fans want some significant improvement to the roster. I am the same too. Suitable players or trades don't come around easily these days. We have no cap space and no roster spots to manipulate anything right now.

The biggest hit to me would be Big V signing to a reasonable deal elsewhere when LBJ was willing to sacrifice to open up the MLE. I am not sold on Thomspon (Not the same splash brother Thompson) or DDR (too expensive over too long period).

Shall we trade Cam Reddish, Wood and Hayes with some SRPs to open up a roster? If yes, for who?

Gary Trend Jr was a sensible one to replace Cam. We can't guarantee him a starting spot though. I would sign Gordon Hayward as back up SG/SF if Cam is somehow moved.

Makelle Fultz and Dennis smith Jr can replace Dlo / Vincent if a move is made to acquire a Centre.

I want the Lakers to do something fast. I know patience is needed on the other hand.

[danfantastk32]

Most Fans want some significant improvement to the roster. I am the same too. Suitable players or trades don't come around easily these days. We have no cap space and no roster spots to manipulate anything right now.

The biggest hit to me would be Big V signing to a reasonable deal elsewhere when LBJ was willing to sacrifice to open up the MLE. I am not sold on Thomspon (Not the same splash brother Thompson) or DDR (too expensive over too long period).

Shall we trade Cam Reddish, Wood and Hayes with some SRPs to open up a roster? If yes, for who?

Gary Trend Jr was a sensible one to replace Cam. We can't guarantee him a starting spot though. I would sign Gordon Hayward as back up SG/SF if Cam is somehow moved.

Makelle Fultz and Dennis smith Jr can replace Dlo / Vincent if a move is made to acquire a Centre.

I want the Lakers to do something fast. I know patience is needed on the other hand.

The Lakers are sitting $45k under the 2nd apron. I'm pretty sure they aren't going over for some serviceable role player...it would have to be something incredibly good. We might match salaries moving some lesser guys around, but I'd pretty much assume at this point, that the Laker squad you see, is the Laker squad your gonna get. When Lebron signed is contract, that was everyone agreeing that there were no worthwhile trades, or no new guys coming. Lebron wasn't giving up a third of his salary for some Joe-Schmo...it had to move the needle.

Our best bet at this point, is to see if DLo's expiring contract looks good to a team over the 2nd apron, but clearly isn't contending. They might swap something decent, in an attempt to get out from under it. But that won't be until Jan.

[Anderson Hunt]

Most Fans want some significant improvement to the roster. I am the same too. Suitable players or trades don't come around easily these days. We have no cap space and no roster spots to manipulate anything right now.

The biggest hit to me would be Big V signing to a reasonable deal elsewhere when LBJ was willing to sacrifice to open up the MLE. I am not sold on Thomspon (Not the same splash brother Thompson) or DDR (too expensive over too long period).

Shall we trade Cam Reddish, Wood and Hayes with some SRPs to open up a roster? If yes, for who?

Gary Trend Jr was a sensible one to replace Cam. We can't guarantee him a starting spot though. I would sign Gordon Hayward as back up SG/SF if Cam is somehow moved.

Makelle Fultz and Dennis smith Jr can replace Dlo / Vincent if a move is made to acquire a Centre.

I want the Lakers to do something fast. I know patience is needed on the other hand.

Pelinka isn't much of a visionary. He doesn't have much of an eye for making pieces fit. Is he a complete idiot? No, but he's not a creative, intuitive roster constructor.

The Westbrook trade was god-awful. What was I thinking? This move alone shows his lack of vision. I don't really care that Davis and James wanted this move. It's Pelinka's job to make these decisions. Frank Vogel had zero chance of fitting Westbrook, James, and Davis into a cohesive lineup, and Pelinka should've saw that coming before it actually happened.

There are several other failed moves I could mention, but one small detail which further illustrates his lack of vision is his negligence in signing a proper center last summer. Fresh off a sweep by the Nuggets where big Jokic dominated, it was clear as day the Lakers needed a big-body center to throw at Jokic. His response to this need was to sign Jaxon Hayes, which tells he didn't even see the need. Fast forward to today and all of a sudden he realizes they need a big-body center. It took him a year to see what this team lacked, and to make it all a thousand times worse, he hamstrung this roster by giving out not one, not two, but three player options for minimum guys. Again, absolutely no vision for what lies ahead of for what this team needs.

These are all fireable offenses.

As far as right now, I believe Pelinka is back in the same position he was in when trying to dump Westbrook. He just has a new Russell.

Like with Westbrook, every team smells Pelinka's desperation. Like with Westbrook, the Lakers have two coveted picks at their disposal. Like with Westbrook, every team the Lakers call want those picks, so the market is bare.

They are trying to make trades, but they are calling for the wrong dudes and/or teams are asking for too much.

[danfantastk32]

Most Fans want some significant improvement to the roster.

Between Lebron's age, and AD's health (and his age will soon be a factor too) this window is essentially closed. They needed to make that significant improvement this offseason, and did nothing. Even if something good can be done next offseason, your looking at May 2026 before we'd be in the postseason with said improved team. Basically 2 years from now. AD's 33, and Lebron is 41. And we're a team who's danced with the play-in tournament for the last 4 years. We're not a couple role-players away here.

Who people think this savior is...I don't know. But the Lakers are fools not to move AD before he gets hurt again....or simply ages out of his dominant play (and therefore value). This team should have swung for the fences this offseason, and once it failed, should have switched gears, and gone rebuild.

[danfantastk32]

Like with Westbrook, every team smells Pelinka's desperation. Like with Westbrook, the Lakers have two coveted picks at their disposal. Like with Westbrook, every team the Lakers call want those picks, so the market is bare.

Like with Westbrook, nobody wants him! If I were any other team, I'd want picks too. I'm not taking that clunker for $30 mil a year, unless you make it worth my while. And Vando, or Rui or any of the other collection don't do it. And nobody can argue that. The Lakers have been trying to move DLo for a year, and you can bet they've tried everything.

While I completely agree with your post....I ask who this center is, that's gonna make the difference? Remember.....Dwight was older, but was still in top condition, and had a career of knowledge behind him, of being a dominant center. And more importantly....Jokic was a puppy back when we beat them. Dwight wouldn't have fared so well had Jokic been 3-4 years more experienced. This team needs another big for sure.....but some half-decent center isn't going to get us much further, imo. And this center needs to be able to hit outside shots. Having 2 bigs clogging the paint is just suicide in todays NBA.

[zuju]

Most Fans want some significant improvement to the roster.

Between Lebron's age, and AD's health (and his age will soon be a factor too) this window is essentially closed. They needed to make that significant improvement this offseason, and did nothing. Even if something good can be done next offseason, your looking at May 2026 before we'd be in the postseason with said improved team. Basically 2 years from now. AD's 33, and Lebron is 41. And we're a team who's danced with the play-in tournament for the last 4 years. We're not a couple role-players away here.

Who people think this savior is...I don't know. But the Lakers are fools not to move AD before he gets hurt again....or simply ages out of his dominant play (and therefore value). This team should have swung for the fences this offseason, and once it failed, should have switched gears, and gone rebuild.

I am not with you on this. We are not trading AD, arguably the top 3 2 way player in NBA.

We find a third guy who is young, maybe 3-4 years to peak. Like a young kobe back then in 1999. When LBJ retires, this young dude take the lead with AD and got a big pay check. Ideally the best way to build a sustainable successful team in my view.

Old star + Star in prime + young up and coming talent.
Old star retired -> Star in prime become the old star, young talent become star & find a new young talent

The most difficult part is how you can consistently find a good young talent to develop him into star. Who is this guy? This is the job of the front office and they have missed out on talents in the past 2 years, esp in NBA draft 2023. Miss out on GG Jackson for Lewis etc etc. Can the Lakers still attract stars to join? Maybe, we see trends becoming stars choosing different teams recently.

[danfantastk32]

We find a third guy who is young, maybe 3-4 years to peak. Like a young kobe back then in 1999. When LBJ retires, this young dude take the lead with AD and got a big pay check. Ideally the best way to build a sustainable successful team in my view.

Old star + Star in prime + young up and coming talent.

In 3-4 years Lebron will be retired, and AD will be 34-35 years old. With AD's injury history, he won't be that guy by then. If anything, you'll be worse off. Run the math.....be honest with yourself. The Lakers really needed to get help last offseason. This offseason was the absolute last chance. If people wanna avoid a long rebuild....then amassing 4-6 picks/young players is the best way to avoid it. And that window of getting a ton in return for AD is starting close as well. This new CBA is already going to make it harder to move him as it is...with him still having essentially full value. It's why I wanted him moved last year. After that sweep, it was clear we were not a contender against the top teams. This team needed to rebuild.

I still think there will be a team willing to go into the 2nd apron to get AD. He's still good enough, that if he stays healthy, he will make about 6-8 teams the clear favorite. I think a team like OKC has the chance to 3-peat if they had him, and they played him smart for those years. But how much longer will AD be that "sure thing"? And will teams want to get him 2 years from now...when he's no longer in his prime, and you gotta wonder how much longer he'll even be a difference maker? Prob wont get much for him at all.

And if he gets hurt (quite likely given his history)? Well...now your getting nothing. Then what? 4 years with $60+ on the books....Lebron out the door, and NOW WE WANT TO START A REBUILD??

Think about it. Really look at our options here. Think about AD's age, his injury history, and the history of big men once they hit about 34. And ask yourself how realistic it is for us to make any real noise in next years playoffs. Holding onto AD is alot of risk, with very little reward, imo.

[DanishLakerFan]

There is a big difference between being elite at a specific skill and being elite overall.

As good as Vando and D'Lo are at their specifc skills they have holes in their games that make them tough to play in certain situations.

Didn't DLo have a goose egg in the playoffs (hint...rhetorical, he did). Also had a 13 point game, and a 14 point game. Even by your watered down standards of elite......that's bogus. 3 out of 5 games in the postseason (where the ELITE shooters are getting you 28+points).....DLo was a waste of space. Elite shooter my ass. He's garbage

DLo's only elite talent is wearing out his welcome. He's a garbage player who can get hot, and hit 3's at a decent clip. But certainly not when it matters. The playoffs come, and he's not even "good" .......a far cry from elite.

Just so you can understand what Elite actually means....Lebron had 30, 30, 26, 26, and 27...on 56% shooting for the series. DLo was 38% on the series. You'll find better shooters at the park.

Do the math: You got Lebron and AD.....and yet your only 5 games over .500 <------there must be jack-sh**-all backing them up. If there was anyone else even good at what they did on this team (by NBA standards).....our record would reflect that.

I'm just higher on what Lebron and AD can do than you are and i think your logic is flawed. Nearly half the damn the league were 46-51-win teams and i dont see you call for everyone else to tear it down.

Any other opponent in round one (and if Ham hadn't been a half-wit, of course) and we might have seen a different outcome.

Now I'm not going to defend D'Lo and Vando playing themselves out of the playoffs and would prefer the Lakers found a few replacements i just dont think its smart to trade players when their market value is far lower than their value on the team in the regular sesaon. I would keep the continuity of current the guys and then be ready to pull the trigger later on.

[loveshaq007]

trade bronny, LeBron, cam and Vincent... for scary Terry, JJ, and Bam

screw the extra Media pressure, and find some dawgs to play basketball with. let LeBron team up with the shooters and Butler