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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#181 » by dckingsfan » Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:15 pm

Walton1one wrote:Actually the upcoming draft has some non point guard players of interest besides Flagg, though he is the prize.

Ace Bailey- forward 6’9
VJ Edgecome - SG 6’5
Hugo Gonzalez - guard/forward 6’6

And then two PG in Nolan Traore 6’3 & Dylan Harper 6’6

Edgecome could work for POR, as Sharpe could slide down to SF, He looked real good during Olympic qualifying, playing for the Bahamas

Traore/Harper would not be an ideal fit for POR, considering they have Scoot, however, this is all the more reason to play Scoot a lot this year and see what you have in him, because if he is not progressing then you absolutely take one of those two guys, the ultimate goal here is to get a cornerstone player and if they think one of these guys could be that player, then you take them. Traore in particular has looked really good

Of course, there are some other players who could rise in this draft as well: Liam McNeely 6’8/SF, Asa Newell 6’9/F

And the draft always surprises with players that you didn't expect. Those could be Cs, PFs and SFs as well...
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#182 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:44 pm

Walton1one wrote:Yeah, I just disagree with the keeping the vets for now is fine mentality.

One of Grant\Ant needs to go before training camp. Otherwise you are going to be sitting Scoot or Sharpe on the bench, and as stated above Sharpe is up for an extension, and you have a draft next year that has some high quality guards in it, so I would think you would want to know whether or not one of the two players that you hope are a key part of your future are worth Investing in, or if you need to pivot to address that in the draft.

So having those vets on the team next year, taking up valuable minutes\shots, is a detriment to the team IMO.


To be clear, the idea isn't that we hold onto them at all costs, just until the right deal is on the table. If we are passing up on first round picks + filler type deals then that is a problem, but I get the sense we are more being offered some pretty lateral moves like Wiggins for Grant straight up or a bunch of Laker's scrubs with years on their contracts left that we have to make roster spots and only maybe a couple second rounders coming our way. There are a ton of great options that fans keep talking about, I'm just not convinced the actual offers out there right now are as robust or plentiful.

Honestly I don't even know how much worse those make us to achieve this goal but it guarantees we are never getting a 1st rounder out of that capspace instead of someone like Grant that I think could bring that back in the next year or so if we are patient. And so we shouldn't rush to take a lesser deal now until our fears are actually realized and the team is winning too many games. I don't think this period between free agency and training camp is the best time to find offers.

(Although to be fair, if the team found itself with a serious hot start to the season my worry is that they would not have the fortitude to say that is actually a problem and would instead change their goals for this season and move up the timeline prematurely.)

I think deals like that, where we dump them for basically nothing and possibly have to juggle around some of our roster spots and even dump young players we might have liked to continue developing, deals like that will always be there. But its smart to wait as long as we can for the "right" deal to arrive before taking the "OK we need to course correct" meh deal.

So what I really mean is that I don't think we need to take a loss on them simply to move them before the season starts, it would not hurt to start the season looking a little decent and not just a bunch of youth thrown into the fire. Follow up moves are essential this season but I think a target for a December trade or two is really where we could maximize our trade asset return. I don't think this point in the season is really a great time to make trades, teams are looking for easy/cheap solutions. They are more likely to give us what we want mid-season when inevitably some teams with expectations start out the gate struggling.

We can be the ultimate sellers this next season, but not if we get antsy and start offering bargains on day 1. If the team is actually passing on solid offers because they want to maintain a level of veteran play that is definitely backwards thinking.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#183 » by Norm2953 » Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:32 am

The thing to do is wait for the worst thing that can happen is Simons/Ayton leave in free agency
in the summer of 2026.

I would concentrate on moving Jerami Grant for the remaining four years on his contract is a burden.
I'd move him for draft capital and hopefully useful filler
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#184 » by GEE » Tue Jul 23, 2024 1:31 am

I am not opposed to trading any player, but I definitely require an upgrade in talent at this point. Crazy thought I had... I wonder if Cronin is happy just progressing like we have been, with the healthy mix of young and old players we have, but may be hoping that a certain star player back east becomes disgruntled, and wants to change zipcodes. Perhaps, just maybe we would be one of the few teams at that point to make a trade for that player.

Point being, I think the plan is to win NOW, retain the great assets WE HAVEN'T YET SEEN all play together, until a really big move comes along... if it ever does. Until then, just role out the improved team, from what we had last season with the cake fully baked. We will soon see how it tastes , and I can't wait. I think success or failure will ride mostly on Chauncey, but also the ability/luck to stay healthy.

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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#185 » by DaVoiceMaster » Tue Jul 23, 2024 1:58 am

Looking at Portland's contracts, if they move Grant for a 2-year contract in return, the Blazers could have a whole lot of cap space 2-years. Anyone think that might be the plan?
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#186 » by cucad8 » Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:17 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Looking at Portland's contracts, if they move Grant for a 2-year contract in return, the Blazers could have a whole lot of cap space 2-years. Anyone think that might be the plan?

Probably? But good god I hope not, judging by most every other "cap space" plan I've seen here as a fan.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#187 » by zzaj » Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:49 pm

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Looking at Portland's contracts, if they move Grant for a 2-year contract in return, the Blazers could have a whole lot of cap space 2-years. Anyone think that might be the plan?


One thing is for sure, having capspace is going to be INCREDIBLY valuable moving forward in this CBA, as it offers a massive relief valve for teams that have gotten in over their heads and need to get out.

If Cronin is wise he'll be eyeing some cap space as a reality. In a couple of years, if everything goes correctly, organic growth probably sees the Blazers as a play-in team. So being able to have some flexibility around that point will be very valuable. All that being said, Scoot's rookie deal, Sharpe's rookie deal, all are going to have to be addressed around that same time too...
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#188 » by Norm2953 » Wed Jul 24, 2024 3:57 am

I'd hope that's the plan but first things first, the team has to find out this season if Scoot/Sharpe
are going to be the players the team hopes they will be.

This could be a solid group if the team had cap space and their core built around Sharpe, Scoot,
Clingan and whoever they get in the 2025/26 drafts is playing well
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#189 » by Walton1one » Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:31 pm

POR signs veteran PG, Devonte Graham (29) to a 1yr deal?

Non guaranteed? Training cap deal? Curious move...
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#190 » by Tim Lehrbach » Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:48 pm

Walton1one wrote:POR signs veteran PG, Devonte Graham (29) to a 1yr deal?

Non guaranteed? Training cap deal? Curious move...


I have no idea whatsoever what's happened with him since a promising start to his career.

Any insights? Portland could certainly use some steadiness at point guard, so potentially I like the move.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#191 » by JRoy » Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:03 pm

Tim Lehrbach wrote:
Walton1one wrote:POR signs veteran PG, Devonte Graham (29) to a 1yr deal?

Non guaranteed? Training cap deal? Curious move...


I have no idea whatsoever what's happened with him since a promising start to his career.

Any insights? Portland could certainly use some steadiness at point guard, so potentially I like the move.


He’s a terrible shooter if I remember right.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#192 » by zzaj » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:33 pm

I'm not going to pretend to know much about Devonte Graham other than I can see that statistically he's a marginal NBA player. I won't judge too much on this signing, assuming it's a non-guaranteed deal. If it's guaranteed money, then facepalm...

I don't really understand why adding a 29 year old marginal NBA player to this team makes sense, other than maybe another PG to play against Scoot in scrimmages. You'd think if that was the idea they'd at least find an average defender.

I have a hard time seeing how this is a stronger move than just simply keeping Kolek.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#193 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:05 pm

zzaj wrote:I'm not going to pretend to know much about Devonte Graham other than I can see that statistically he's a marginal NBA player. I won't judge too much on this signing, assuming it's a non-guaranteed deal. If it's guaranteed money, then facepalm...

I don't really understand why adding a 29 year old marginal NBA player to this team makes sense, other than maybe another PG to play against Scoot in scrimmages. You'd think if that was the idea they'd at least find an average defender.

I have a hard time seeing how this is a stronger move than just simply keeping Kolek.


Its because the FO is going for the bubble and want a veteran PG. Nothing this offseason has indicated we are picking a lane - we are continuing to refuse to truly rebuild and are approaching winning a bubble game to get swept in the 1st round as our own little championship.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#194 » by JRoy » Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:33 pm

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zzaj wrote:I'm not going to pretend to know much about Devonte Graham other than I can see that statistically he's a marginal NBA player. I won't judge too much on this signing, assuming it's a non-guaranteed deal. If it's guaranteed money, then facepalm...

I don't really understand why adding a 29 year old marginal NBA player to this team makes sense, other than maybe another PG to play against Scoot in scrimmages. You'd think if that was the idea they'd at least find an average defender.

I have a hard time seeing how this is a stronger move than just simply keeping Kolek.


Its because the FO is going for the bubble and want a veteran PG. Nothing this offseason has indicated we are picking a lane - we are continuing to refuse to truly rebuild and are approaching winning a bubble game to get swept in the 1st round as our own little championship.


Maybe you’re right, or maybe the vets haven’t been moved because the offers have been weak. Maybe the team is hoping for renewed interest toward the trade deadline as the playoff picture develops and the inevitable injuries hit.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#195 » by zzaj » Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:38 pm

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zzaj wrote:I'm not going to pretend to know much about Devonte Graham other than I can see that statistically he's a marginal NBA player. I won't judge too much on this signing, assuming it's a non-guaranteed deal. If it's guaranteed money, then facepalm...

I don't really understand why adding a 29 year old marginal NBA player to this team makes sense, other than maybe another PG to play against Scoot in scrimmages. You'd think if that was the idea they'd at least find an average defender.

I have a hard time seeing how this is a stronger move than just simply keeping Kolek.


Its because the FO is going for the bubble and want a veteran PG. Nothing this offseason has indicated we are picking a lane - we are continuing to refuse to truly rebuild and are approaching winning a bubble game to get swept in the 1st round as our own little championship.


Could be...I'll double down on my opinion that even with perfect health this team gets nowhere near the bubble in the current WC.

I know Chauncey has opined pretty openly about not loving coaching "kids". So maybe this is the org throwing him a bone for firing his brother...

Regardless, as long as the contract isn't guaranteed I don't really see any major issue with it.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#196 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:18 pm

JRoy wrote:
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zzaj wrote:I'm not going to pretend to know much about Devonte Graham other than I can see that statistically he's a marginal NBA player. I won't judge too much on this signing, assuming it's a non-guaranteed deal. If it's guaranteed money, then facepalm...

I don't really understand why adding a 29 year old marginal NBA player to this team makes sense, other than maybe another PG to play against Scoot in scrimmages. You'd think if that was the idea they'd at least find an average defender.

I have a hard time seeing how this is a stronger move than just simply keeping Kolek.


Its because the FO is going for the bubble and want a veteran PG. Nothing this offseason has indicated we are picking a lane - we are continuing to refuse to truly rebuild and are approaching winning a bubble game to get swept in the 1st round as our own little championship.


Maybe you’re right, or maybe the vets haven’t been moved because the offers have been weak. Maybe the team is hoping for renewed interest toward the trade deadline as the playoff picture develops and the inevitable injuries hit.


I agree - was just being whiney honestly lol.

I think its just as likely that we are not finding a market for Grant or especially Simons. I think the tepid offers MIA has recieved for Herro is a pretty clear sign that a guy like Simons wont be fielding much on the trade market. MIA reportedly could not even wrangle a single FRP for Tyler. I would argue we likely are in a similar spot with Simons.

As for Grant - I hope we dont lose out on a FRP offer by being insane and demanding 2 FRP - assuming that rumor was true.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#197 » by JRoy » Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:30 pm

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Its because the FO is going for the bubble and want a veteran PG. Nothing this offseason has indicated we are picking a lane - we are continuing to refuse to truly rebuild and are approaching winning a bubble game to get swept in the 1st round as our own little championship.


Maybe you’re right, or maybe the vets haven’t been moved because the offers have been weak. Maybe the team is hoping for renewed interest toward the trade deadline as the playoff picture develops and the inevitable injuries hit.


I agree - was just being whiney honestly lol.

I think its just as likely that we are not finding a market for Grant or especially Simons. I think the tepid offers MIA has recieved for Herro is a pretty clear sign that a guy like Simons wont be fielding much on the trade market. MIA reportedly could not even wrangle a single FRP for Tyler. I would argue we likely are in a similar spot with Simons.

As for Grant - I hope we dont lose out on a FRP offer by being insane and demanding 2 FRP - assuming that rumor was true.


I want Simons gone. He needs to go and his shots need to go to Sharpe and Avdija.

Grant at least is not in direct competition with our young lotto picks.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#198 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:30 pm

JRoy wrote:
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JRoy wrote:
Maybe you’re right, or maybe the vets haven’t been moved because the offers have been weak. Maybe the team is hoping for renewed interest toward the trade deadline as the playoff picture develops and the inevitable injuries hit.


I agree - was just being whiney honestly lol.

I think its just as likely that we are not finding a market for Grant or especially Simons. I think the tepid offers MIA has recieved for Herro is a pretty clear sign that a guy like Simons wont be fielding much on the trade market. MIA reportedly could not even wrangle a single FRP for Tyler. I would argue we likely are in a similar spot with Simons.

As for Grant - I hope we dont lose out on a FRP offer by being insane and demanding 2 FRP - assuming that rumor was true.


I want Simons gone. He needs to go and his shots need to go to Sharpe and Avdija.

Grant at least is not in direct competition with our young lotto picks.


I agree - but if you cant get a FRP for him I dont think you trade him. And I honestly am of mind recently that he isnt pulling a FRP when looking at the league wide market.

ORL decided to pay KCP, a sign they are going all in on having 5 guys on the floor that can defend.
SAS didnt bring in CP3 to come off the bench - and they have Vassell at SG. I dont see them as a suitor.

Those were my clear-cut suitors for Simons going into the offseason. After that, I dont really know.

Maybe CHI would swap Ball + our FRP returned for Simons but thats selling too low IMO.

Utah had whispers of interest in Simons - but I never believed them as they have Sexton who fits into that Simons / Herro bucket (And is coming off a season of better efficiency than either has ever put up).

I would be shocked if LAL saw a talent difference between Simons and DLo to include a pick in a swap of the 2. More than shocked really.

A darkhorse could be LAC. Simons on paper is a great fit next to Harden as a off ball scorer / shooter. They seem to be targeting younger guys as of late as well and have been cavalier with trading far off draft picks. Something around Simons for Powell (Routed to a 3rd team ideally) and their next available FRP (2030) might work. But I would be shocked if our FO would move Simons in a trade where the meat coming back is a FRP in 6 years.

I personally would do it.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#199 » by Walton1one » Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:42 pm

I am in the camp of trading away the vets (Ant\Grant\Williams\Thybulle) sooner rather than later to take away Billups preference to play those players heavy minutes, which he will do, as he is a lame duck coach this year, has a poor record due to nature of this team and wants another gig. If you leave the vets on the team, he will play them, so take that temptation away from him. You can't play Grant\Ant if they are not on the team, reminds me of that scene in Moneyball where Beane traded away Pena to force the manager (Art Howe) to play Hatteberg.
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Re: FREE AGENCY 2024 

Post#200 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Sun Aug 4, 2024 6:18 pm

Walton1one wrote:I am in the camp of trading away the vets (Ant\Grant\Williams\Thybulle) sooner rather than later to take away Billups preference to play those players heavy minutes, which he will do, as he is a lame duck coach this year, has a poor record due to nature of this team and wants another gig. If you leave the vets on the team, he will play them, so take that temptation away from him. You can't play Grant\Ant if they are not on the team, reminds me of that scene in Moneyball where Beane traded away Pena to force the manager (Art Howe) to play Hatteberg.


Is anyone not in the camp of trade the veterans? I think the main question is how much are you gonna give them away. I think we could move them for essentially nothing at any time but if we want to get assets back it may take additional time to pull that together. Are we OK playing them for a few months while finding the right deals or do we want to sell short just to get them gone prior to the season?

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