Best offer for Podziemski

[jayjaysee]

Running with it for some reason.. Assume Minnesota gets at least one first and a swap? But maybe 2 firsts? And someone gives Washington a second or two probably.

GSW- Moody, Kuminga, Podz, Payton, Looney, Wiggins
GSW - KAT, Minott, Miller, Butler, Omoruyi
Legal.

Washington - Butler and Omoruyi
Washington - Payton (Gafford TPE) and Moody
Legal

Minnesota - KAT, Minnot, Miller
Minnesota - Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, Podz
Trims 7-8 million, fills last roster spot..

Then you start looking for a fourth team.. I was looking at Grant. But ymmv

Wolves wouldn’t touch this with a 10 foot pole, 7-8 mil is not nearly enough. Wiggins is a bad contract that you would need to add value for any team to take.

Well Kuminga, Podz and at least one first are also in that offer…

I don’t think it’s bad. And would guess Wiggins never plays in Minnesota. Some team would trade lesser salary for him.

[winforlose]

Running with it for some reason.. Assume Minnesota gets at least one first and a swap? But maybe 2 firsts? And someone gives Washington a second or two probably.

GSW- Moody, Kuminga, Podz, Payton, Looney, Wiggins
GSW - KAT, Minott, Miller, Butler, Omoruyi
Legal.

Washington - Butler and Omoruyi
Washington - Payton (Gafford TPE) and Moody
Legal

Minnesota - KAT, Minnot, Miller
Minnesota - Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, Podz
Trims 7-8 million, fills last roster spot..

Then you start looking for a fourth team.. I was looking at Grant. But ymmv

Wolves wouldn’t touch this with a 10 foot pole, 7-8 mil is not nearly enough. Wiggins is a bad contract that you would need to add value for any team to take.

Well Kuminga, Podz and at least one first are also in that offer…

I don’t think it’s bad. And would guess Wiggins never plays in Minnesota. Some team would trade lesser salary for him.

Kuminga and Rudy is a terrible fit. Both need to be inside to operate, both are non shooters. KAT is not a negative value player, he is an all star. Even if you wanna argue that Podz has Hali value (doubtful,) and that KAT’s value is as low as Sabonis with the Pacers (it’s higher,) you still have the Wolves taking back bad money in Wiggins and only Kuminga to compensate. You also have us giving up Miller who is still valuable, and Minott who could be rotation worthy. This is beyond a non starter. You would need to add so much to get this done that no team involved would agree.

[jayjaysee]

Wolves wouldn’t touch this with a 10 foot pole, 7-8 mil is not nearly enough. Wiggins is a bad contract that you would need to add value for any team to take.

Well Kuminga, Podz and at least one first are also in that offer…

I don’t think it’s bad. And would guess Wiggins never plays in Minnesota. Some team would trade lesser salary for him.

Kuminga and Rudy is a terrible fit. Both need to be inside to operate, both are non shooters. KAT is not a negative value player, he is an all star. Even if you wanna argue that Podz has Hali value (doubtful,) and that KAT’s value is as low as Sabonis with the Pacers (it’s higher,) you still have the Wolves taking back bad money in Wiggins and only Kuminga to compensate. You also have us giving up Miller who is still valuable, and Minott who could be rotation worthy. This is beyond a non starter. You would need to add so much to get this done that no team involved would agree.

Yeah. IMO Kuminga being a bad fit with Rudy doesn’t make him less valuable? And never said Minnesota would end up keeping Wiggins and Kuminga. They likely wouldn’t. That doesn’t change the value they get back..

Even if you just used all of Kuminga’s value to dump Wiggins completely (which would be stupid and not realistic) using Utah or some other team- you’d still have more value than your acknowledging for some reason.

[winforlose]

Well Kuminga, Podz and at least one first are also in that offer…

I don’t think it’s bad. And would guess Wiggins never plays in Minnesota. Some team would trade lesser salary for him.

Kuminga and Rudy is a terrible fit. Both need to be inside to operate, both are non shooters. KAT is not a negative value player, he is an all star. Even if you wanna argue that Podz has Hali value (doubtful,) and that KAT’s value is as low as Sabonis with the Pacers (it’s higher,) you still have the Wolves taking back bad money in Wiggins and only Kuminga to compensate. You also have us giving up Miller who is still valuable, and Minott who could be rotation worthy. This is beyond a non starter. You would need to add so much to get this done that no team involved would agree.

Yeah. IMO Kuminga being a bad fit with Rudy doesn’t make him less valuable? And never said Minnesota would end up keeping Wiggins and Kuminga. They likely wouldn’t. That doesn’t change the value they get back..

Even if you just used all of Kuminga’s value to dump Wiggins completely (which would be stupid and not realistic) using Utah or some other team- you’d still have more value than your acknowledging for some reason.

I am lost, in the quote above it seems you have Minnesota keeping both. You said “Wolves in Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, Podz.” If this is not the case then what are you proposing?

Regarding value, Wiggins contract is not bad enough that you need to attach Podz or Kuminga. But it is bad enough that you probably need to attach a first to move it. The problem is KAT’s value is higher than Podz, and it’s higher than Kuminga, and it might even be higher than both. The reason is KAT is one of a handful of guys who can defend both the 4/5 without losing anything (see Joker and Durant in the playoffs,) while also giving you 40+ percent from deep. He is better than Markkanen straight up, but has a worse contract for now. Losing KAT for less value back does not happens without 40+ million in salary reduction. Regarding draft picks, they are not that valuable to a win now team where half the roster is under 26. Any move for KAT MUST return a starting caliber 4 (Naz is expiring,) and a rotation worthy 5 (preferably on a cheap deal,) as well as picks and contract savings. You don’t break up a WCF finals team with great chemistry for equivalent value, you do it for extra value.

[jayjaysee]

Kuminga and Rudy is a terrible fit. Both need to be inside to operate, both are non shooters. KAT is not a negative value player, he is an all star. Even if you wanna argue that Podz has Hali value (doubtful,) and that KAT’s value is as low as Sabonis with the Pacers (it’s higher,) you still have the Wolves taking back bad money in Wiggins and only Kuminga to compensate. You also have us giving up Miller who is still valuable, and Minott who could be rotation worthy. This is beyond a non starter. You would need to add so much to get this done that no team involved would agree.

Yeah. IMO Kuminga being a bad fit with Rudy doesn’t make him less valuable? And never said Minnesota would end up keeping Wiggins and Kuminga. They likely wouldn’t. That doesn’t change the value they get back..

Even if you just used all of Kuminga’s value to dump Wiggins completely (which would be stupid and not realistic) using Utah or some other team- you’d still have more value than your acknowledging for some reason.

I am lost, in the quote above it seems you have Minnesota keeping both. You said “Wolves in Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, Podz.” If this is not the case then what are you proposing?

I’m sure you’ll like my one suggestion less.. but my actual quote was

Minnesota - KAT, Minnot, Miller
Minnesota - Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, Podz
Trims 7-8 million, fills last roster spot..

Then you start looking for a fourth team.. I was looking at Grant. But ymmv

Which would mean Wiggins doesn’t end up back in Minnesota, which seems like it would be a mutual wish between the team and Wiggins, right?

So Wiggins+salary+value out and a good fitting player back in. Whether the salary+value is Looney and a first or Kuminga or Kuminga+Wiggins and two firsts..

I went Grant and keeping more value in Minnesota obviously, but again didn’t even write out the fourth team.. My only point in this chain is Minnesota should take the value win of the idea and figure out how they want to balance it.

[winforlose]

Yeah. IMO Kuminga being a bad fit with Rudy doesn’t make him less valuable? And never said Minnesota would end up keeping Wiggins and Kuminga. They likely wouldn’t. That doesn’t change the value they get back..

Even if you just used all of Kuminga’s value to dump Wiggins completely (which would be stupid and not realistic) using Utah or some other team- you’d still have more value than your acknowledging for some reason.

I am lost, in the quote above it seems you have Minnesota keeping both. You said “Wolves in Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, Podz.” If this is not the case then what are you proposing?

I’m sure you’ll like my one suggestion less.. but my actual quote was

Minnesota - KAT, Minnot, Miller
Minnesota - Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, Podz
Trims 7-8 million, fills last roster spot..

Then you start looking for a fourth team.. I was looking at Grant. But ymmv

Which would mean Wiggins doesn’t end up back in Minnesota, which seems like it would be a mutual wish between the team and Wiggins, right?

So Wiggins+salary+value out and a good fitting player back in. Whether the salary+value is Looney and a first or Kuminga or Kuminga+Wiggins and two firsts..

I went Grant, but ymmv.

My only point in this chain is Minnesota should take the value win of the idea and figure out the balancing.

I understand better now. Thank you for clarifying. I will be blunt, Minott and Miller are young and untested with possible upside. They are both the body archetype that the team wants and I suspect sooner or later they will be rotation players for someone. Karl is more valuable than the trade package you laid out by himself. It is a value loss because we break up excellent roster chemistry and a very unique 3 big or 4 big lineup when Naz plays with Jaden, Rudy, and Karl. The parts may not seem valuable but they contribute to a greater whole. Karl is expensive but he expensive for a reason, and with the rising cap his deal won’t seem bad next year or especially the year after.

FWIW I don’t see Kuminga as a blue chip. I see him as a highly overrated and soon to be overpayed role player. Podz is a blue chip, but not yet battle proven. It would be a hard no for Minnesota.

[JMAC3]

I think he is very overrated right now when it comes to trade talks. He has shown just enough to be valuable young player, but I think trying to project him as some future all-star is wild. He had 4 dunks all year, which is really low for a player his size. Also seems like just a good shooter, not a great shooter.

[Slim Tubby]

Running with it for some reason.. Assume Minnesota gets at least one first and a swap? But maybe 2 firsts? And someone gives Washington a second or two probably.

GSW- Moody, Kuminga, Podz, Payton, Looney, Wiggins
GSW - KAT, Minott, Miller, Butler, Omoruyi
Legal.

Washington - Butler and Omoruyi
Washington - Payton (Gafford TPE) and Moody
Legal

Minnesota - KAT, Minnot, Miller
Minnesota - Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, Podz
Trims 7-8 million, fills last roster spot..

Then you start looking for a fourth team.. I was looking at Grant. But ymmv

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[Patsfan1081]

The Wolves could dump KAT for a lot more than Podz and filler. Podz is promising, but the Wolves have Ant and they just added Dillingham. You could play Podz at the 3 or move Ant to the 3, but both the POBO and HC like playing big. Podz is just not what we are looking for.

Dillingham is very clearly significantly worse than Podz now and will likely be worse than Podz for their entire careers, unless Dillingham hits one the upper-echelon of his potential.

The deal proposed also included 2 1sts with Pods, which is a far cry from Podz + Filler.

I think Podz is exactly the type of player the Timberwolves want--high skill, playmaking and passing, shooting and rebounding.

You’re comparing a player with a full nba season plus multiple college to someone who has yet to play a single game. This seems like a silly declaration to make at this point, you definitely wouldn’t have made it after Podz’s freshman season.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

The Nets' leadership was supposedly very high on Podz heading into the draft. I don't think they're in buying mode right now though.

Maybe they are?

Cam Johnson and the “worst of” 2025 1st?