Julius Randle's value

[cgf]

But there are specifics about his game that explain why he's been so much better in the RS and struggles against the best teams/coaches/defenses. It's not just injuries/no help.

I know some knicks fans like to argue just to argue, and even if we come to understand each other's positions we may not agree, but if you'd ever like to discuss this in good faith, I am curious about the specifics of why say this. Largely I'm curious whether you think that the best defenses can do whatever it is they can do to shut Julius down in the playoffs AND throw the kitchen sink at Brunson?

Cause that's where I'm just not as bothered as some folks by the possibility that Julius will forever be a regular season innings eater that can be schemed out of a series even when healthy...if a team has one of the elite defensive bigs like Bam or Mobley. Teams just can't do what the Hawks did to leave Julius shook unless they're happy for Jalen to average 40+.

Julius is certainly limited by not having that super-elite level of skill that someone like Zion has, which is why he needs Brunson to be the guy in crunchtime. But as that 2nd option who carries things more at the start of games, when Jalen is still figuring a defense out / getting his rhythm, or one who just occupies an opponent's best defensive big?

[Knickfan1982]

Clippers want Randle and have Norman Powell, Terrance Mann, PJ Tucker and Bones Hyland as bait. Not sure how it gets done.

Norm, PJ, and a 31 top 4 protected 1st for Randle? Can the Clips aggregate?

This deal does nothing for the Knicks. Norm is useless for us and PJ not much more helpful. The only thing good is the pick and is 7 years into the future. No thanks.

[Knickfan1982]

Norm, PJ, and a 31 top 4 protected 1st for Randle? Can the Clips aggregate?

This doesn't do nothing for NY, no backup center, no starting PF, no backup PF. This is just dumping PJ & Powell on them using
a 1st and getting 2 times All NBA Randle for free.

Clips could add Kai Jones to the mix (or Bamba) as a backup Center. PJ can handle the backup PF for a year (he is still decent just not for the Clipper squad that is too slow already). Its the best the Clippers can offer.

Not seeing many other offers for Randle, especially involving what could be a stellar pick in 2030. Clips could remove the protection on the pick if that moves the needle.

It doesn't. Powell is a talented player but unnecessary to our team. Our backcourt is deep, talented and has amazing chemistry. If Powell is the centerpiece the deal is DOA. We don't need to move Randle nor settle for this.

[brackdan70]

He is tough one. Great player, but I personally sometimes question his impact on winning.
I voted 35-40. I think even at his max extension though he is still a tradeable contract so why not offer him the full extension?
I think a 4 year at his max 140% extension would be 40/43/47/51

[Toine85]

For all Randles flaws - the Knicks need him.

The roster works if Bridges/Anunoby are your 3A/3B playing off the ball and limiting the amount you rely on them for shot creation.

The roster works with DDV as a microwave scorer off the bench.

But the roster needs another high volume scorer/shot creator. Randle has to be that guy. NY has no real way to upgrade from Randle. The reason I was so against the Bridges trade is it doubles down on Randle being your #2 option.

Only way I can see the Knicks "upgrade" from Randle would be to package him and Mitch for KAT where Mitch would get re-routed to SAC for Kevin Huerter. Add picks as needed.

SAC would get a rim protector while clearing out their wing logjam, Knicks get their "upgrade", and Minnesota balances their roster out a bit.

I hate letting go of DDV, I wish we had re-routed Mitch to SAC for Kevin Huerter whenever Mitch returns from injury like I did in this trade offer.

[R-DAWG]

For all Randles flaws - the Knicks need him.

The roster works if Bridges/Anunoby are your 3A/3B playing off the ball and limiting the amount you rely on them for shot creation.

The roster works with DDV as a microwave scorer off the bench.

But the roster needs another high volume scorer/shot creator. Randle has to be that guy. NY has no real way to upgrade from Randle. The reason I was so against the Bridges trade is it doubles down on Randle being your #2 option.

Only way I can see the Knicks "upgrade" from Randle would be to package him and Mitch for KAT where Mitch would get re-routed to SAC for Kevin Huerter. Add picks as needed.

SAC would get a rim protector while clearing out their wing logjam, Knicks get their "upgrade", and Minnesota balances their roster out a bit.

I hate letting go of DDV, I wish we had re-routed Mitch to SAC for Kevin Huerter whenever Mitch returns from injury like I did in this trade offer.

Agree here. We went from not having enough minutes for DDV to being in a situation where he could have been back in the starting lineup. But Mitch does give us a different dimension that could be very helpful. There is actually a ton of flexibility in how NY can staggers the roster.

Strong defensive lineups with Bridges/Anunoby on the wings with Mitch protecting the paint. Or swap out Mitch for Duce and get more shooting along with an strong point of attack defender. Or uber switchable with Hart/Bridges/Anunoby.

We all hate losing DDV, and even the DET pick. But Towns adds a different dimension to this team that Randle didn't.

[taikibansei]

I'll post this here as well:

bUt tHeY WiLl nEVeR bE AbLe tO tRaDe RaNdLe fOr A sTaR....

[cgf]

For all Randles flaws - the Knicks need him.

The roster works if Bridges/Anunoby are your 3A/3B playing off the ball and limiting the amount you rely on them for shot creation.

The roster works with DDV as a microwave scorer off the bench.

But the roster needs another high volume scorer/shot creator. Randle has to be that guy. NY has no real way to upgrade from Randle. The reason I was so against the Bridges trade is it doubles down on Randle being your #2 option.

Only way I can see the Knicks "upgrade" from Randle would be to package him and Mitch for KAT where Mitch would get re-routed to SAC for Kevin Huerter. Add picks as needed.

SAC would get a rim protector while clearing out their wing logjam, Knicks get their "upgrade", and Minnesota balances their roster out a bit.

I hate letting go of DDV, I wish we had re-routed Mitch to SAC for Kevin Huerter whenever Mitch returns from injury like I did in this trade offer.

Hard pass. Somebody's gotta be able to protect the rim or Thibs will have a heart attack before the ASB.