AI_Efficiency wrote:eyeatoma wrote:mjkvol wrote:
Tatum - one championship and multiple Finals and ECF appearances
Embiid - zero championships or even ECF appearances
Your obsession with the GB is one thing, but you make yourself into a virtual meme with some of your arguments. No one here believes that Tatum is better than Embiid (as if that means a f***king thing), but the fact is that his team has won and the Sixers haven't, which is all that really matters to anyone but Embiid fanboys.
Embiid needs to shut the f***k up, lose 25 lbs. and get in shape, learn how to play in a system where he isn't the sole focal point of the offense, and focus on winning with his defense and rebounding as much or more than his offense. Stop with social media and get your ass in the gym. At what point in his career does Embiid make adjustments that are more conducive to winning big games than personal accomplishments? That will be when you can go on your precious 'GB' and not come off as a nitwit.
Clearly you haven't read my posts in the last two pages. All I've been saying is that he needs to lose weight. I also don't think he's capable of playing a different way. I've largely avoided the GB this summer, but I can refer to it.
Also Tatum is a loser, who lucked out being drafted by the Celtics. On any other team he wouldn't even be a top 15 player. The dude has ridden the coattails of organisational success his whole career. Inspite of Jo's injuries if the team was built even 90% close to what Tatum's are built like they would have won a chip. They had it with the Jimmy team, and then ripped it apart. Me saying he's right about Tatum is completely fine and is not a meme.
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Do you have any numbers to support that you could just replace Tatum with Embiid and still win? Tatum has averaged a pretty healthy ppg on solid TS% and low turnovers in the playoffs. Embiid hasn’t (at least with turnovers where he literally averages more turnovers than assists per game in the playoffs). If you want to say it’s because Embiid hasn’t been healthy, than fine, but that’s somewhat its own problem. But Embiid has been pretty mediocre in the playoffs and worse than Tatum imo. Now that I’m looking, a non-trivial number of advanced metrics seem to like Tatum in the playoffs too.
Looking at playoff metrics is going to be a fools errand because he is often injured. The better stuff will come from the regular season. It's all noisy data, but again, Tatum is able to average that, because he doesn't have the defense zoned in on him the whole damn time.
Tatum's good numbers are a product of his good team. If he had to have higher volume, with less help his numbers would plummet.
Also not all of those numbers pulled were from the last three years. That is the time Embiid turned himself into an MVP player.
Let's dig deeper.
1st game was against Miami in 2018. If I recall correctly he had a broken orbital. LOL at the guy adding that to the numbers. Also not MVP Joel.
Game 2, this is the Brooklyn game he got hurt in. Again, he was playing fine, it was a different Embiid because the Nets were using terrorist defense and literally trying to hurt Joel. Jo missed the rest of the series and returned with another knee injury to play boston. Remember that series went 7. Just lol at this ridiculous lack of context from this guy.
Game 3 - Kawhi Raptors series, mud butt. Kawhi hit one of the greatest shots of all time. Embiid not his MVP self.
Game 4 - Knicks series, lol at this guy having the audacity to include these lines when Embiid played with half a face, and 1 leg. Inspite of that he hit 50 in this series, and the Sixers didn't lose the series because of him. 1st game of MVP form Joel btw.
Game 5 This is the Raptors Series the Sixers won, it's the Raptors series Embiid hit a game winner in, and the same series that he had his head caved in by Pascal's elbow. This was game one of the series, and by far his worst. Embiid was dominant for the rest of that series, and we looked like contenders until the orbital fracture.
As you can see context is key. Without context you can say whatever you want and with social media, it's easy to use this stuff to pick holes in people's argument. Fact of the matter is, his biggest downfall will be health and conditioning. What I dont' like are idiots on twitter posting things and trying to defend a baseless argument without actually putting in the effort to offer valid context.