Sixers Offseason Thread Part 5

[FireMorey]

He's not soft. We're coming off a playoffs where Donovan Mitchell and Tyrese Haliburton missed playoff series with wittle itsy bitsy hamstring and calf strains when you have Embiid out there playing with a torn LCL in his knee last year, playing with a broken face multiple times, Bells Palsy, a torn ligament in his hand, torn meniscus, etc. Perhaps no one in the league would have gutted through the injuries that he's played through to try to help his team make a playoff run. You can call Embiid a lot of things, but soft is not one of them.

[Black Mage]

Tatum's stinkers generally also come with him still rebounding and defending and lately being a set up guy... he also doesn't stop shooting and being agressive.

Thats the difference. Be it injury or whatever..Biid's stinkers are deflating.

Now I will say, he only really had one this last playoff and we won that one because he turned it on in overtime so maybe he is getting better at it lol.

But again he just needs to stfu at this point, win and then he can talk all the **** he wants lol. BUT he is on a podcast with his trainer so I get why he might be a bit emboldened this time.

But isn't the reason they are more deflating than Tatum's simply b/c Tatum had teammates that could cover the slack?

We all know if Joel doesn't have it; the chance of winning the playoff game is like 10-20%

Celtics fans know if Tatum doesn't have it; they still have at least a 60-70% to win because of all the other pieces around him.

[Murray_17]

Tatum has definitely had a charmed NBA existence. He's had some clunkers in the playoffs and it didn't matter.

I mean, if Embiid had the playoff performance of Tatum last season he would get destroyed like there is no tomorrow. That's the advantage of having a deep team and getting a pass by virtue of winning the title.

At the same time, Tatum got to the conference finals on his rookie season being the best player on his team with Kyrie injured and Rozier being a prominent scorer, so the depth excuse is just that, an excuse.

Would i like better more balanced teams while Embiid was active? sure, but also, for all the Tobias stuff, he also has played with Harden, Butler, Simmons before forgetting how to play and Maxey, it's not like we were the Bobcats and with how weak the east has been for years, not reaching a conference finals (at least) it's a major failure.

[elchengue20]

He's not soft. We're coming off a playoffs where Donovan Mitchell and Tyrese Haliburton missed playoff series with wittle itsy bitsy hamstring and calf strains when you have Embiid out there playing with a torn LCL in his knee last year, playing with a broken face multiple times, Bells Palsy, a torn ligament in his hand, torn meniscus, etc. Perhaps no one in the league would have gutted through the injuries that he's played through to try to help his team make a playoff run. You can call Embiid a lot of things, but soft is not one of them.

He's mentally soft, he dissapears in crucial moments, has terrible body language and leadership, makes terrible decisions, etc.

Then makes excuses on why he lost.

The sad part is he's too inmature and doesn't have the required self awareness to realize it and get better. Hope i'm wrong but i think this it's just who he is and it won't change.

[eyeatoma]

Embiid at this point is well on his way on ending his carreer as the James Harden or Carmelo Anthony of the Center position.

Or a better defender, still not good enough Demarcus Cousins.

Every day my hope on him becoming a real winner decreases a little more. He's just too dumb, inmature and soft.

Sorry, I don't think how this has anything to do with being soft or dumb.

He's not dumb, he just speaks its mind. It might not be the best choice, but that doesn't make him dumb.

I also would say he's the farthest thing from soft. Given all the injuries he's played with that would pretty much be the antithesis.

Immature I'll give you, but the other stuff, is just Reddit level discourse.

[elchengue20]

Embiid at this point is well on his way on ending his carreer as the James Harden or Carmelo Anthony of the Center position.

Or a better defender, still not good enough Demarcus Cousins.

Every day my hope on him becoming a real winner decreases a little more. He's just too dumb, inmature and soft.

Sorry, I don't think how this has anything to do with being soft or dumb.

He's not dumb, he just speaks its mind. It might not be the best choice, but that doesn't make him dumb.

I also would say he's the farthest thing from soft. Given all the injuries he's played with that would pretty much be the antithesis.

Immature I'll give you, but the other stuff, is just Reddit level discourse.

Playing thru injuries it's not the only thing that matters.

He's clearly mentally soft.

Always making excuses, dissapearing in clutch moments, making terrible decisions, bad body language and leadership. That's a red flag for mental weakness.

[Damienfan]

Embiid at this point is well on his way on ending his carreer as the James Harden or Carmelo Anthony of the Center position.

Or a better defender, still not good enough Demarcus Cousins.

Every day my hope on him becoming a real winner decreases a little more. He's just too dumb, inmature and soft.

Sorry, I don't think how this has anything to do with being soft or dumb.

He's not dumb, he just speaks its mind. It might not be the best choice, but that doesn't make him dumb.

I also would say he's the farthest thing from soft. Given all the injuries he's played with that would pretty much be the antithesis.

Immature I'll give you, but the other stuff, is just Reddit level discourse.

Playing thru injuries it's not the only thing that matters.

He's clearly mentally soft.

Always making excuses, dissapearing in clutch moments, making terrible decisions, bad body language and leadership. That's a red flag for mental weakness.

love a body language take

[eyeatoma]

Embiid at this point is well on his way on ending his carreer as the James Harden or Carmelo Anthony of the Center position.

Or a better defender, still not good enough Demarcus Cousins.

Every day my hope on him becoming a real winner decreases a little more. He's just too dumb, inmature and soft.

Sorry, I don't think how this has anything to do with being soft or dumb.

He's not dumb, he just speaks its mind. It might not be the best choice, but that doesn't make him dumb.

I also would say he's the farthest thing from soft. Given all the injuries he's played with that would pretty much be the antithesis.

Immature I'll give you, but the other stuff, is just Reddit level discourse.

Playing thru injuries it's not the only thing that matters.

He's clearly mentally soft.

Always making excuses, dissapearing in clutch moments, making terrible decisions, bad body language and leadership. That's a red flag for mental weakness.

Playing through injureis shows that you're mentally tough lol. I'm not sure why you think this. The dude was the most clutch player in the regular season for 2 years in a row the prior to this season. Hit a clutch game winner in the playoffs against the Raptors.

The issue is double teams and players not shooting. Now, he does get mopey, and has bad body language. I don't think that has anything to do with if he is clutch and can rise to the occasion. Case in point, OT against the Knicks his defense and timely buckets are what helped us win the game.

What you are saying are factors for your personality. In no way does it say your are mentally weak.

[FireMorey]

Body language is a sign of your level "mental weakness" but playing through pain isn't.

[AI_Efficiency]

Tatum's stinkers generally also come with him still rebounding and defending and lately being a set up guy... he also doesn't stop shooting and being agressive.

Thats the difference. Be it injury or whatever..Biid's stinkers are deflating.

Now I will say, he only really had one this last playoff and we won that one because he turned it on in overtime so maybe he is getting better at it lol.

But again he just needs to stfu at this point, win and then he can talk all the **** he wants lol. BUT he is on a podcast with his trainer so I get why he might be a bit emboldened this time.

But isn't the reason they are more deflating than Tatum's simply b/c Tatum had teammates that could cover the slack?

We all know if Joel doesn't have it; the chance of winning the playoff game is like 10-20%

Celtics fans know if Tatum doesn't have it; they still have at least a 60-70% to win because of all the other pieces around him.

What are we saying though when Tatum “doesn’t have it.” That he had an off shooting night? Respectfully, and this applies to Embiid too (for better or worse), there are better metrics for looking at a player’s impact than whether they went 5-20 or whatever. Tatum’s impact stats in the playoffs overall are very good. He’s a 2-1 assist to turnover guy who puts up a decent number of points on solid true shooting. He’s got good win shares, vorp, and other advanced stats. Looking just at whether Embiid or Tatum shot the ball well that night is lazy analysis imo.

[Murray_17]

Also, Tatum is a guy who cries constantly for validation. So, the comparison is whatever

[Ksny13]

Embid has such a loser mentality. It's why he's going to go right up there with Harden and Melo. Great players who couldn't ever get it done and instead of improving themselves they decided to cry about what other players in the league have. Soft.

[elchengue20]

Body language is a sign of your level "mental weakness" but playing through pain isn't.

Of course body language it's important. Maybe you never played a competitive sport and you don't understand it.

MJ or Kobe for example talked about this a lot, you can't be showing your oposition a sign of weakness. Speacially if you are the supposed leader of your team.

Biid is always making excuses, trying to show everbody is hurt, terrible body language, etc, etc. He's more Harden or Carmelo than Kobe.

At the moment he has shown he can't be a leader of a championship team. We really needed a player lke Jimmy more than what we thought.

[eyeatoma]

Embid has such a loser mentality. It's why he's going to go right up there with Harden and Melo. Great players who couldn't ever get it done and instead of improving themselves they decided to cry about what other players in the league have. Soft.

Go away troll.

[FireMorey]

Body language is a sign of your level "mental weakness" but playing through pain isn't.

Of course body language it's important. Maybe you never played a competitive sport and you don't understand it.

MJ or Kobe for example talked about this a lot, you can't be showing your oposition a sign of weakness. Speacially if you are the supposed leader of your team.

Biid is always making excuses, trying to show everbody is hurt, terrible body language, etc, etc. He's more Harden or Carmelo than Kobe.

At the moment he has shown he can't be a leader of a championship team. We really needed a player lke Jimmy more than what we thought.

It's not important. For one, you think you can discern a player's mentality and mood based on what they look like on TV. You can't. And given that it's on TV, you have no idea what he's doing in the huddle, on the bench, etc on moments where he's not on the screen.

Notice how everyone who plays with him speaks highly of him.

[elchengue20]

Body language is a sign of your level "mental weakness" but playing through pain isn't.

Of course body language it's important. Maybe you never played a competitive sport and you don't understand it.

MJ or Kobe for example talked about this a lot, you can't be showing your oposition a sign of weakness. Speacially if you are the supposed leader of your team.

Biid is always making excuses, trying to show everbody is hurt, terrible body language, etc, etc. He's more Harden or Carmelo than Kobe.

At the moment he has shown he can't be a leader of a championship team. We really needed a player lke Jimmy more than what we thought.

It's not important. For one, you think you can discern a player's mentality and mood based on what they look like on TV. You can't. And given that it's on TV, you have no idea what he's doing in the huddle, on the bench, etc on moments where he's not on the screen.

Notice how everyone who plays with him speaks highly of him.

Most players always liked Harden and Carmelo too....

[Jailblazers7]

My big issue with Embiid’s “mentality” or whatever we want to call it is - there are nights where you can tell from the opening tip that we’re not going to get his best effort. Injuries, conditioning, mental weakness, or whatever is irrelevant because it’s just inexcusable to have those nights as an MVP in the playoffs.

Game 7 in Boston and it looked like he didn’t even want to be there. That’s the reputation he has to erase & he’s a long way from doing that.

[FireMorey]

Of course body language it's important. Maybe you never played a competitive sport and you don't understand it.

MJ or Kobe for example talked about this a lot, you can't be showing your oposition a sign of weakness. Speacially if you are the supposed leader of your team.

Biid is always making excuses, trying to show everbody is hurt, terrible body language, etc, etc. He's more Harden or Carmelo than Kobe.

At the moment he has shown he can't be a leader of a championship team. We really needed a player lke Jimmy more than what we thought.

It's not important. For one, you think you can discern a player's mentality and mood based on what they look like on TV. You can't. And given that it's on TV, you have no idea what he's doing in the huddle, on the bench, etc on moments where he's not on the screen.

Notice how everyone who plays with him speaks highly of him.

Most players always liked Harden and Carmelo too....

Their body language was never their issue. Harden's issue is his lack of a defense and overall effort on the court at specific times and over reliance on the 3 ball. I don't even know why Carmelo is in the conversation, he was never on a team good enough to win a title.

All of the "loser" talk is just low hanging fruit sports bar talk that doesn't really have any legitimacy to it. You can have shortcomings in the playoffs without being a loser or being soft.

[elchengue20]

It's not important. For one, you think you can discern a player's mentality and mood based on what they look like on TV. You can't. And given that it's on TV, you have no idea what he's doing in the huddle, on the bench, etc on moments where he's not on the screen.

Notice how everyone who plays with him speaks highly of him.

Most players always liked Harden and Carmelo too....

Their body language was never their issue. Harden's issue is his lack of a defense and overall effort on the court at specific times and over reliance on the 3 ball. I don't even know why Carmelo is in the conversation, he was never on a team good enough to win a title.

All of the "loser" talk is just low hanging fruit sports bar talk that doesn't really have any legitimacy to it. You can have shortcomings in the playoffs without being a loser or being soft.

Just like late prime Harden, Biid is out of shape, showed lack of overall effort and determination in crucial games/moments while also an over reliance on free throws, failed to adjust his game, chased stats in the RS, etc. That's the opposite of someone like LBJ or Kobe at his prime.

Carmelo in his late prime was always a little out of shape, was kind of a ball hog on offense, refused to play a different role, never showed great leadership and accountability, etc

Like i sayed, i hope Biid grows up, but it ain't looking like it and i'm seeing more and more the similitarties between him and those kind of players.

[Jailblazers7]

Their body language was never their issue. Harden's issue is his lack of a defense and overall effort on the court at specific times and over reliance on the 3 ball. I don't even know why Carmelo is in the conversation, he was never on a team good enough to win a title.

All of the "loser" talk is just low hanging fruit sports bar talk that doesn't really have any legitimacy to it. You can have shortcomings in the playoffs without being a loser or being soft.

What other words besides “loser” should I use to describe a guy who doesn’t play defense or give full effort in the playoffs? Enlightenment me…I’m just a poor, uneducated fool surviving on the low hanging fruit.