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Post#361 » by Shak_Celts » Fri Jul 19, 2024 7:26 pm

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It’s a weird pet peeve of mine but no one wants to explain how the picks work assuming multiple teams are in the second apron. Three teams get the thirtieth pick?


I would guess all teams in that scenario get pushed to the end of round 1 and who picks first/last out of those teams is determined by regular draft order criteria. e.g. 3 teams in that scenario and they'll pick 28th, 29th, and 30th. 28th pick has the worst record of the 3 and 30th has the best record. I've not found anything that confirms it as I've wondered as well, but maybe there's nothing out there because it'll just be something simple like that so not exciting enough to report aside from some unofficial Reddit stuff.

The interesting thing for me is a team who's sent out picks in the future like the Suns but is also in the second apron. Normally the Nets would be looking at outsourcing their tank potentially just like we did to them to get the Jays. Now instead it seems like the Nets might get lousy picks at the end of the first round regardless of what the Suns actual record is. A loophole I could see a guy like Brad exploring to be ultra aggressive if an opportunity to retool and start another window became available. He trades 1st rounders most years anyways so if we get some new owners with deep pockets you could retool at the cost of those picks to a team who expects them to be super valuable as they bet on the Celtics record falling off. Since those picks become frozen and are for future years (not even the year you're in the 2nd apron as I understand), it's a one time trick I could see a smart group of guys like Brad and Zarren pulling off one time before the league catches on.

Of course the other wrinkle in all of this imo is the cba expires after the 2029/30 season. I expect changes as competitive teams aren't going to vote for this stuff again, and others willing to spend more than others won't either. These "frozen picks" wouldn't come into play until a new cba were in effect.

There must be a workaround grandfathered in or something? So a team doesn’t lose obtained pick value because another team has been frozen. Then picks after that should have frozen restrictions, you know what you’re getting into now, so keep in mind a team you’re trading with could have frozen picks in the future.

Unless the pick can only be frozen if you have it?

Like our pick we will send Spurs for DWHITE shouldn’t be frozen, even though that would mean we won that trade by an even larger margin. That’s not fair.

I don’t like it, not because it’s bad, it’s because I don’t understand! If I don’t understand, it’s trash! :lol:
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Post#362 » by shackles10 » Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:00 pm

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165bows wrote:It’s a weird pet peeve of mine but no one wants to explain how the picks work assuming multiple teams are in the second apron. Three teams get the thirtieth pick?


I would guess all teams in that scenario get pushed to the end of round 1 and who picks first/last out of those teams is determined by regular draft order criteria. e.g. 3 teams in that scenario and they'll pick 28th, 29th, and 30th. 28th pick has the worst record of the 3 and 30th has the best record. I've not found anything that confirms it as I've wondered as well, but maybe there's nothing out there because it'll just be something simple like that so not exciting enough to report aside from some unofficial Reddit stuff.

The interesting thing for me is a team who's sent out picks in the future like the Suns but is also in the second apron. Normally the Nets would be looking at outsourcing their tank potentially just like we did to them to get the Jays. Now instead it seems like the Nets might get lousy picks at the end of the first round regardless of what the Suns actual record is. A loophole I could see a guy like Brad exploring to be ultra aggressive if an opportunity to retool and start another window became available. He trades 1st rounders most years anyways so if we get some new owners with deep pockets you could retool at the cost of those picks to a team who expects them to be super valuable as they bet on the Celtics record falling off. Since those picks become frozen and are for future years (not even the year you're in the 2nd apron as I understand), it's a one time trick I could see a smart group of guys like Brad and Zarren pulling off one time before the league catches on.

Of course the other wrinkle in all of this imo is the cba expires after the 2029/30 season. I expect changes as competitive teams aren't going to vote for this stuff again, and others willing to spend more than others won't either. These "frozen picks" wouldn't come into play until a new cba were in effect.

There must be a workaround grandfathered in or something? So a team doesn’t lose obtained pick value because another team has been frozen. Then picks after that should have frozen restrictions, you know what you’re getting into now, so keep in mind a team you’re trading with could have frozen picks in the future.

Unless the pick can only be frozen if you have it?

Like our pick we will send Spurs for DWHITE shouldn’t be frozen, even though that would mean we won that trade by an even larger margin. That’s not fair.

I don’t like it, not because it’s bad, it’s because I don’t understand! If I don’t understand, it’s trash! :lol:


It's from Reddit so take it with a giant dumptruck grain of salt, but some things I read speculated the Nets picks the Suns owe them for KD potentially aren't nearly as valuable because of this possibility their picks are sent to the back of the 1st round.
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Post#363 » by 24istheLAW » Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:34 pm

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Post#365 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:04 pm

Back to back summers where France wins the U20 European championships on both the men and women side. Pretty crazy depth on the men side considering all the guys that are technically eligible but didn't play because they have already graduated past that level (Wemby, Coulibaly, Risacher, Sarr, Salaun, Dadiet, Traoré...).
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What I find even wilder... Dwight Powell is the longest tenured player on same team other than the guys in Milwaukee (Giannis, Middleton) and GS (Curry, Draymond).
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Post#368 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Jul 24, 2024 3:19 pm

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What I find even wilder... Dwight Powell is the longest tenured player on same team other than the guys in Milwaukee (Giannis, Middleton) and GS (Curry, Draymond).

Like I said, the Powell bit is weird.
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Post#369 » by BK_2020 » Wed Jul 24, 2024 3:53 pm

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Post#371 » by Shak_Celts » Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:45 pm

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Post#372 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Jul 24, 2024 5:38 pm

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I would guess all teams in that scenario get pushed to the end of round 1 and who picks first/last out of those teams is determined by regular draft order criteria. e.g. 3 teams in that scenario and they'll pick 28th, 29th, and 30th. 28th pick has the worst record of the 3 and 30th has the best record. I've not found anything that confirms it as I've wondered as well, but maybe there's nothing out there because it'll just be something simple like that so not exciting enough to report aside from some unofficial Reddit stuff.

The interesting thing for me is a team who's sent out picks in the future like the Suns but is also in the second apron. Normally the Nets would be looking at outsourcing their tank potentially just like we did to them to get the Jays. Now instead it seems like the Nets might get lousy picks at the end of the first round regardless of what the Suns actual record is. A loophole I could see a guy like Brad exploring to be ultra aggressive if an opportunity to retool and start another window became available. He trades 1st rounders most years anyways so if we get some new owners with deep pockets you could retool at the cost of those picks to a team who expects them to be super valuable as they bet on the Celtics record falling off. Since those picks become frozen and are for future years (not even the year you're in the 2nd apron as I understand), it's a one time trick I could see a smart group of guys like Brad and Zarren pulling off one time before the league catches on.

Of course the other wrinkle in all of this imo is the cba expires after the 2029/30 season. I expect changes as competitive teams aren't going to vote for this stuff again, and others willing to spend more than others won't either. These "frozen picks" wouldn't come into play until a new cba were in effect.

There must be a workaround grandfathered in or something? So a team doesn’t lose obtained pick value because another team has been frozen. Then picks after that should have frozen restrictions, you know what you’re getting into now, so keep in mind a team you’re trading with could have frozen picks in the future.

Unless the pick can only be frozen if you have it?

Like our pick we will send Spurs for DWHITE shouldn’t be frozen, even though that would mean we won that trade by an even larger margin. That’s not fair.

I don’t like it, not because it’s bad, it’s because I don’t understand! If I don’t understand, it’s trash! :lol:


It's from Reddit so take it with a giant dumptruck grain of salt, but some things I read speculated the Nets picks the Suns owe them for KD potentially aren't nearly as valuable because of this possibility their picks are sent to the back of the 1st round.


I don't think there'd ever be a pick that gets traded and later becomes frozen. Look at the Suns example earlier. After you've been in the 2nd apron a certain number of years, your pick 7 years out gets frozen so you can't move it. It would have never have been able to be dealt before that because you can only trade picks a max of 7 years out anyway. And since it's frozen, you wouldn't be able to ever move it unless you "unfreeze" it by dipping below the apron enough times in subsequent years.

TL;DR: The freezing occurs with the newly eligible to trade pick 7 years out so it can never impact already agreed to deals.
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Post#374 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:01 pm

Sacramento Kings sign former Heat center Orlando Robinson. Robinson had a nice SL game against us last year (or maybe two years ago) but you have to wonder if the Kings are kicking themselves for needlessly releasing Nemias Queta last year. Queta seems like a better prospect at this point and Sacto had Queta in house after drafting him.

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Post#375 » by bisme37 » Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:00 pm

NBA rejects Warner Bros. Discovery offer, completing media rights deal with Amazon

The NBA completed an 11-year, $76-billion media rights pact that will change the lineup of partners after next season, ending its decades-long relationship with cable network TNT and entering a new partnership with Amazon.

The league issued a statement Wednesday saying TNT parent Warner Bros. Discovery did not match the terms offered by Amazon, which will reportedly pay $1.8 billion annually for the rights to stream NBA games on Prime Video. NBCUniversal and the Walt Disney Co.'s ESPN will be the television outlets for the NBA.

Prime Video is expected to carry weekly regular-season games and the NBA Cup, a midseason tournament launched last year. The streaming service will also get the NBA’s play-in tournament, in which the teams ranked between seventh and 10th over the regular season face off for the final two playoff seeds in their conferences.


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Post#376 » by shackles10 » Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:54 pm

Get League Pass and catch all out of market games!!! Oh wait you also need to get ESPN. And you’re also likely going to need Peacock for the NBC games. Oh and yeah you’re going to need Prime for the weekly games and the in season tourney and the play in games. But yeah get League Pass too!

Don’t get me wrong I’m going to do it but I don’t like it lol.
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Post#378 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:03 pm

shackles10 wrote:Get League Pass and catch all out of market games!!! Oh wait you also need to get ESPN. And you’re also likely going to need Peacock for the NBC games. Oh and yeah you’re going to need Prime for the weekly games and the in season tourney and the play in games. But yeah get League Pass too!

Don’t get me wrong I’m going to do it but I don’t like it lol.

Come live in Europe. You get every single game on league pass plus some weird bonuses like social welfare.
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Post#379 » by shackles10 » Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:10 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
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Shak_Celts wrote:There must be a workaround grandfathered in or something? So a team doesn’t lose obtained pick value because another team has been frozen. Then picks after that should have frozen restrictions, you know what you’re getting into now, so keep in mind a team you’re trading with could have frozen picks in the future.

Unless the pick can only be frozen if you have it?

Like our pick we will send Spurs for DWHITE shouldn’t be frozen, even though that would mean we won that trade by an even larger margin. That’s not fair.

I don’t like it, not because it’s bad, it’s because I don’t understand! If I don’t understand, it’s trash! :lol:


It's from Reddit so take it with a giant dumptruck grain of salt, but some things I read speculated the Nets picks the Suns owe them for KD potentially aren't nearly as valuable because of this possibility their picks are sent to the back of the 1st round.


I don't think there'd ever be a pick that gets traded and later becomes frozen. Look at the Suns example earlier. After you've been in the 2nd apron a certain number of years, your pick 7 years out gets frozen so you can't move it. It would have never have been able to be dealt before that because you can only trade picks a max of 7 years out anyway. And since it's frozen, you wouldn't be able to ever move it unless you "unfreeze" it by dipping below the apron enough times in subsequent years.

TL;DR: The freezing occurs with the newly eligible to trade pick 7 years out so it can never impact already agreed to deals.


I thought the frozen picks came into play sooner than 7+ years from now but that makes sense on not needing clarification on it since there’s already a rule on how far out you can trade picks.
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Post#380 » by phincsfan » Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:31 pm

shackles10 wrote:Get League Pass and catch all out of market games!!! Oh wait you also need to get ESPN. And you’re also likely going to need Peacock for the NBC games. Oh and yeah you’re going to need Prime for the weekly games and the in season tourney and the play in games. But yeah get League Pass too!

Don’t get me wrong I’m going to do it but I don’t like it lol.


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