Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[KnixinSix]

Wouldnt that be something Fury?
I do believe "IF" we have a deal for a center- its already agreed upon and the hold up is a techicality...

This could very well be true. But would such a marquee big man coach come over here without a marquee big man on the way over to us?

Notice PRIOR to getting Jalen Brunson we brought in Rick Brunson as a coach. Bringing in this guy might be bc we pretty much have a deal in place with a marquee Center.

What's Harrington's role then?

Figure Mo Cheeks takes young Bryant's place. Unless Thibs promotes one of the guys already on staff and Mo fills that spot.
I thought Othello Harrington worked with the bigs. Has he moved on?
Or is Mitch such a big dummy he needs two coaches?

Not sure how that will be exactly handled Buzz but Bryant is the bigger name with the bigger credentials. He obviously wasn't brought in to work with the guards either.

Does that mean Harrington moves on? Is reassigned or splits the duties somehow? Stay tuned.

I Don't think Bryant came here to work with only Hukporti or the Russian guy or even Mitch for that matter either. This guy has worked with mutliple top of the draft blue chip type Centers that needed work to reach their highest ceiling.

Who fits that bill the most that we have been linked to? KAT and then perhaps Sengun (if he is somehow available).

[Spree2Houston]

The Bryant hire is probably for Duren.

[Knicksfan1992]

My guess on the Precious situation is that the Knicks have all but guaranteed that they will beat any offer he has from somewhere else but are waiting for the possibility that they can either jump in on another deal to grab a C as a 3rd team or are waiting for a team to come down to their asking price for one that they prefer.

I believe they have until August 6th to lock Precious in so he can be a candidate for trade at the deadline.- Someone can fact check me on that. Either way the below applies...

It seems like a win-win for both parties IMO:

Precious gets more money no matter what and either stays in a NY hometown situation that he knows is pretty good for him with a coach that seemingly likes him. Or worst comes to worst, for him, he gets paid more to go somewhere else and has at least 3 years on his deal because of the sign and trade rules...That's likely better than anything he would have signed as just a pure FA signing.

Worst comes to worst the Knicks now have a contingency plan that they are ok with until the trade deadline. Precious is fine as a backup C in the regular season and they already know what they have with him. They also can basically decide what number they want to sign him at for salary matching purposes down the line. That's where Brock Aller comes in.

They can also now use the August 6th date as leverage with other teams who may want to flip Precious at the deadline for more assets and need to get him in by that date to be able to do that.

[KnixinSix]

The Bryant hire is probably for Duren.

Possible

[KnixinSix]

My guess on the Precious situation is that the Knicks have all but guaranteed that they will beat any offer he has from somewhere else but are waiting for the possibility that they can either jump in on another deal to grab a C as a 3rd team or are waiting for a team to come down to their asking price for one that they prefer.

I believe they have until August 6th to lock Precious in so he can be a candidate for trade at the deadline.- Someone can fact check me on that. Either way the below applies...

It seems like a win-win for both parties IMO:

Precious gets more money no matter what and either stays in a NY hometown situation that he knows is pretty good for him with a coach that seemingly likes him. Or worst comes to worst, for him, he gets paid more to go somewhere else and has at least 3 years on his deal because of the sign and trade rules...That's likely better than anything he would have signed as just a pure FA signing.

Worst comes to worst the Knicks now have a contingency plan that they are ok with until the trade deadline. Precious is fine as a backup C in the regular season and they already know what they have with him. They also can basically decide what number they want to sign him at for salary matching purposes down the line. That's where Brock Aller comes in.

They can also now use the August 6th date as leverage with other teams who may want to flip Precious at the deadline for more assets and need to get him in by that date to be able to do that.

A lot of critical dates coming in next 10 days or so. I would expect some.bigtime action around then

[3toheadmelo]

We got Mark Bryant because we're bringing in Ayton.. and you'll like it

Few transitions are more difficult in sports than the adjustment for a big man entering the NBA. The size, physicality and strength needed to battle against some of the largest humans in the world on a nightly basis takes time, effort and mental toughness to build that consistency.

Rudy Gobert, Clint Capela, Karl-Anthony Towns, Andre Drummond, Nikola Jokić, Steven Adams. Even the league’s most elite centers had to adjust to not being able to just bulldoze anyone who got in their way. Some it took a year and others it took four, but for Deandre Ayton, it seems to be coming along rather quickly with credit going to Suns Assistant Coach Mark Bryant.

After one of the most efficient rookie seasons in NBA history, Ayton went back to the lab this summer to keep adding to his game and it continues to grow. That work he put in was on display immediately in the Suns season opener as he notched a double-double and dominated on the defensive end with four blocks and a steal.

His offensive efficiency and work on the glass have remained consistent while his defensive intensity continues to grow as he’s quickly developing into one of the most elite lockdown forces in the entire league. Ayton is getting challenged often, but much of that is due to being in the right position, switching when needed and overall closing off the paint.

The Big Fella has the second most DFGA (field goals defended at the rim attempted) with 18.7 per game, trailing only two-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year Rudy Gobert. However, he’s outplaying Gobert in what he’s doing with those attempts.

With players who have at least 10 DFGA per game and have played in at least 10 games, Ayton has the third-lowest DFG percentage. Allowing just 38.7 percent, only Giannis Antetokounmpo and Anthony Davis are holding their opponents to a lower percentage.

Over the last seven games, Ayton has been locked-in in all aspects of the game and, at just 21 years old, has shown the league what he’s capable of when he steps on the court. Ayton is averaging 20.7 points, 13.0 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.1 blocks and 1.1 steals while shooting 53.7% from the field over that span. Despite already having the physical gifts, Ayton credits Mark Bryant for assisting in pushing himself to the next level.

“He's taught me a lot of tricks, a lot of things that I need,” Ayton said “He basically polished up my game, like the cherry on top. Everything I have, he enhanced it and added more to it. It's a major impact to where he evolved my game into an enforcer. Everybody knew I could be that, but he basically showed the moves and the tools that I need to become that and to be consistent with that.”

[mpharris36]

We got Mark Bryant because we're bringing in Ayton.. and you'll like it

Few transitions are more difficult in sports than the adjustment for a big man entering the NBA. The size, physicality and strength needed to battle against some of the largest humans in the world on a nightly basis takes time, effort and mental toughness to build that consistency.

Rudy Gobert, Clint Capela, Karl-Anthony Towns, Andre Drummond, Nikola Jokić, Steven Adams. Even the league’s most elite centers had to adjust to not being able to just bulldoze anyone who got in their way. Some it took a year and others it took four, but for Deandre Ayton, it seems to be coming along rather quickly with credit going to Suns Assistant Coach Mark Bryant.

After one of the most efficient rookie seasons in NBA history, Ayton went back to the lab this summer to keep adding to his game and it continues to grow. That work he put in was on display immediately in the Suns season opener as he notched a double-double and dominated on the defensive end with four blocks and a steal.

His offensive efficiency and work on the glass have remained consistent while his defensive intensity continues to grow as he’s quickly developing into one of the most elite lockdown forces in the entire league. Ayton is getting challenged often, but much of that is due to being in the right position, switching when needed and overall closing off the paint.

The Big Fella has the second most DFGA (field goals defended at the rim attempted) with 18.7 per game, trailing only two-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year Rudy Gobert. However, he’s outplaying Gobert in what he’s doing with those attempts.

With players who have at least 10 DFGA per game and have played in at least 10 games, Ayton has the third-lowest DFG percentage. Allowing just 38.7 percent, only Giannis Antetokounmpo and Anthony Davis are holding their opponents to a lower percentage.

Over the last seven games, Ayton has been locked-in in all aspects of the game and, at just 21 years old, has shown the league what he’s capable of when he steps on the court. Ayton is averaging 20.7 points, 13.0 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.1 blocks and 1.1 steals while shooting 53.7% from the field over that span. Despite already having the physical gifts, Ayton credits Mark Bryant for assisting in pushing himself to the next level.

“He's taught me a lot of tricks, a lot of things that I need,” Ayton said “He basically polished up my game, like the cherry on top. Everything I have, he enhanced it and added more to it. It's a major impact to where he evolved my game into an enforcer. Everybody knew I could be that, but he basically showed the moves and the tools that I need to become that and to be consistent with that.”

damn Melo giving up on Randle...sad to see...

[DaGawd]

We got Mark Bryant because we're bringing in Ayton.. and you'll like it

Few transitions are more difficult in sports than the adjustment for a big man entering the NBA. The size, physicality and strength needed to battle against some of the largest humans in the world on a nightly basis takes time, effort and mental toughness to build that consistency.

Rudy Gobert, Clint Capela, Karl-Anthony Towns, Andre Drummond, Nikola Jokić, Steven Adams. Even the league’s most elite centers had to adjust to not being able to just bulldoze anyone who got in their way. Some it took a year and others it took four, but for Deandre Ayton, it seems to be coming along rather quickly with credit going to Suns Assistant Coach Mark Bryant.

After one of the most efficient rookie seasons in NBA history, Ayton went back to the lab this summer to keep adding to his game and it continues to grow. That work he put in was on display immediately in the Suns season opener as he notched a double-double and dominated on the defensive end with four blocks and a steal.

His offensive efficiency and work on the glass have remained consistent while his defensive intensity continues to grow as he’s quickly developing into one of the most elite lockdown forces in the entire league. Ayton is getting challenged often, but much of that is due to being in the right position, switching when needed and overall closing off the paint.

The Big Fella has the second most DFGA (field goals defended at the rim attempted) with 18.7 per game, trailing only two-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year Rudy Gobert. However, he’s outplaying Gobert in what he’s doing with those attempts.

With players who have at least 10 DFGA per game and have played in at least 10 games, Ayton has the third-lowest DFG percentage. Allowing just 38.7 percent, only Giannis Antetokounmpo and Anthony Davis are holding their opponents to a lower percentage.

Over the last seven games, Ayton has been locked-in in all aspects of the game and, at just 21 years old, has shown the league what he’s capable of when he steps on the court. Ayton is averaging 20.7 points, 13.0 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.1 blocks and 1.1 steals while shooting 53.7% from the field over that span. Despite already having the physical gifts, Ayton credits Mark Bryant for assisting in pushing himself to the next level.

“He's taught me a lot of tricks, a lot of things that I need,” Ayton said “He basically polished up my game, like the cherry on top. Everything I have, he enhanced it and added more to it. It's a major impact to where he evolved my game into an enforcer. Everybody knew I could be that, but he basically showed the moves and the tools that I need to become that and to be consistent with that.”

for?

[3toheadmelo]

We got Mark Bryant because we're bringing in Ayton.. and you'll like it

Few transitions are more difficult in sports than the adjustment for a big man entering the NBA. The size, physicality and strength needed to battle against some of the largest humans in the world on a nightly basis takes time, effort and mental toughness to build that consistency.

Rudy Gobert, Clint Capela, Karl-Anthony Towns, Andre Drummond, Nikola Jokić, Steven Adams. Even the league’s most elite centers had to adjust to not being able to just bulldoze anyone who got in their way. Some it took a year and others it took four, but for Deandre Ayton, it seems to be coming along rather quickly with credit going to Suns Assistant Coach Mark Bryant.

After one of the most efficient rookie seasons in NBA history, Ayton went back to the lab this summer to keep adding to his game and it continues to grow. That work he put in was on display immediately in the Suns season opener as he notched a double-double and dominated on the defensive end with four blocks and a steal.

His offensive efficiency and work on the glass have remained consistent while his defensive intensity continues to grow as he’s quickly developing into one of the most elite lockdown forces in the entire league. Ayton is getting challenged often, but much of that is due to being in the right position, switching when needed and overall closing off the paint.

The Big Fella has the second most DFGA (field goals defended at the rim attempted) with 18.7 per game, trailing only two-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year Rudy Gobert. However, he’s outplaying Gobert in what he’s doing with those attempts.

With players who have at least 10 DFGA per game and have played in at least 10 games, Ayton has the third-lowest DFG percentage. Allowing just 38.7 percent, only Giannis Antetokounmpo and Anthony Davis are holding their opponents to a lower percentage.

Over the last seven games, Ayton has been locked-in in all aspects of the game and, at just 21 years old, has shown the league what he’s capable of when he steps on the court. Ayton is averaging 20.7 points, 13.0 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.1 blocks and 1.1 steals while shooting 53.7% from the field over that span. Despite already having the physical gifts, Ayton credits Mark Bryant for assisting in pushing himself to the next level.

“He's taught me a lot of tricks, a lot of things that I need,” Ayton said “He basically polished up my game, like the cherry on top. Everything I have, he enhanced it and added more to it. It's a major impact to where he evolved my game into an enforcer. Everybody knew I could be that, but he basically showed the moves and the tools that I need to become that and to be consistent with that.”

for?

Brunson
Mikal
OG
Randle
Ayton

Im ready

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[mpharris36]

The knicks can't sign Precious for $25 MM

[DaGawd]

mitch backing up ayton is kinda intriguing..

[3toheadmelo]

mitch backing up ayton is kinda intriguing..

There's too much smoke now. Knicks trading for Mikal, signing Cam Payne and now we brought on Mark Bryant who played a big part in developing Ayton.. We about to trade for him and recreate the Suns 2.0.

[3toheadmelo]

Where's my guy worst to first our dream is about to become reality

[3toheadmelo]

Leon make that call

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[Clyde_Style]

He's going to beat Mitch's ass every day until he learns to shoot 60% from the FT line

He’ll pack a can’s worth of Copenhagen up Mitch’s buttcrack until he gets it right

I know you are quoting a scene from Girth Brooks mid 90's classic "Cowpoke in Copenhagen"

[KnixinSix]

https://hoopshype.com/player/julius-randle/salary/

Randle has a 15% trade kicker that would bring his salary from 30 million to close to 34 million. Achiuwa can be signed to whatever the minumum number is needed to make the trade for KATs salary or close to it and then use guys like Jeffries to make up the difference.

[Guano]

Knicks waiting until everyone decent is accounofor. On other teams.

im of the opinion that they're going to wait until the season progresses and teams become sellers to get another C

very well could but if that was the case wouldn't they have wrapped up Precious by now?

Seems like they're working on a trade but don't like the market.

During the season teams that are not meeting expectations will look to offload making it easier to address the C need at a price they're comfortable.

[mpharris36]

im of the opinion that they're going to wait until the season progresses and teams become sellers to get another C

very well could but if that was the case wouldn't they have wrapped up Precious by now?

Seems like they're working on a trade but don't like the market.

During the season teams that are not meeting expectations will look to offload making it easier to address the C need at a price they're comfortable.

certainly would open up more possibilities because Precious contract I think can only be S&T for half of what he actually signs for so if the Knicks signed him for $10 MM I think only 5 MM is counted as tradable salaries...it was put in to prevent teams from just inflating a S&T contract to finish a trade.

But at the deadline for example his full 10 MM is tradable salary. In theory that open ups players up to 10-15 MM range if you start aggregating some other smaller contracts as well.

Right now I think we are operating in the less than 5 MM salary type bigs. That is why you have heard names like Richards, Kessler, and even Duren. Its because there contracts are small.

[Capn'O]

The knicks can't sign Precious for $25 MM

Furthermore, I'd personally walk over to Moda and fire Joe Cronin myself if this happened.

[StlHawksFan]

The knicks can't sign Precious for $25 MM

That's not the only issue there. The Knicks cannot aggregate vet minimum salaries. Plus to give them that dearth of talent would probably require multiple draft picks in compensation.

It's impossible to trade for Ayton. He is earning $34,005,126 this season.

Assuming we use all of our remaining space on Precious he would be earning $13,617,875. So we'd need to come up with $20.4M in additional salary. No way to do that without cracking into the rotation. And then of course that leaves us short in terms of roster size so then Precious would have to get less $ so we have some $ for additional vet min deals.

If we're going to deal Precious, it's more likely his salary is capped at $8.45M so we at least preserve the ability to use the TPMLE in the buyout market. And even if we're willing to move Deuce and play around with filler contracts, Knicks are still limited to trading for someone earning no more than $22.3M (Capela, Vucevic, Allen, Turner, Poeltl or Nurkic) and most of those guys aren't on the trading block. More realistically would be to find someone earning under $13M but then we're looking at names like Richaun Holmes, Steven Adams (has he healed?), Marvin Bagley, Robert Williams (has he healed?), or Wendell Carter.

Maybe the Wizards would deal Holmes or Bagley for Precious and their pick back? Would we even want that?