LAL/BKN Trade Concepts

[eitanr]

It seems the Lakers and Nets are destined to make a deal. LA needs several missing vet pieces and BKN is eager for a rebuild. Furthermore, BKN was interested in Hood Schifino last draft and could be interested in him again as a worthy flyer.

1. D. Russell, J. Hood Schifino FOR DFS (or Schroder), D. Sharpe
Why for LAL: The Lakers get a nice backup 5 and starting calibur wing/small ball 4 in DFS. They even shed $3M on the deal to get under the dreaded 2nd apron and have some more roster wiggle room. Is that extra money enough to sign Tyus Jones (who I really like for LAL, IF they can get further under tax), maybe not. Schroder may swap here for DFS if volume is more extreme.
Why for BKN: Russell was a former all-star with Nets and allows them to more easily sunset into a rebuild. JHS was previously coveted and worthy of extended minutes to determine credibility.

2. R. Russell, JHS. G. Vincent, future lotto protected 1st (if not used within 3 years turns into a 2nd) FOR DFS, D. Schroder, D. Sharpe
Why for LAL: They get all their needs in one move, but have to unload a future protected 1st.
Why for BKN: Better asset in a protected 1st

3. D. Russell, G. Vincent, JHS, future 1st (unprotected) FOR C. Johnson, D. Sharpe
Why for LAL: They net two sure fire rotation talents in Johnson/Sharpe and would have $6M allowing them to sign Tyus Jones.
Why for BKN: They get their ideal asset in return, that coveted unprotected future LAL 1st

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Lakers are losing on a Dlo for Dennis swap.

Think 1 is fine if it nets lakers tyrus jones. Probably not much interest without him. Kinda need rui going out in DFS deal. Lebron, rui and somewhat vandy all play the 4.

2. Not sure I’ll tie up a pick for the package. Rather trade an unprotected or lightly protected pick.

3 works.

Overall wouldn’t be upset at any deal. They all feel needs.

[louc1970]

The issue is the players LA offers, no one wants. DLO has been shopped throughout the league. No takers. His best asset is he is in his final year. Vincent can't maintain steady playing time, Vanderbilt can't shoot and JHS has not shown any ability to be a player.

The trade pieces are just not going to return anything.

About the only trade I would do for Russell is Utah (Clarkson). Utah needs to spend money.

[Scoot McGroot]

The issue is the players LA offers, no one wants. DLO has been shopped throughout the league. No takers. His best asset is he is in his final year. Vincent can't maintain steady playing time, Vanderbilt can't shoot and JHS has not shown any ability to be a player.

So, we don’t know that. We’ve seen reports last year that a team or two that LA had engaged heavily didn’t have interest in Russell, sure. But we don’t know that NOBODY wants Russell. Since those reports, Russell has played fine, and he no longer has an additional year (with a player option), so the risk is MUCH lesser in acquiring Russell.

As for Vincent and JHS, their issues have been solely health, so far, in LA. Vanderbilt can’t shoot, but he can defend and he has size….2 things that teams value.

About the only trade I would do for Russell is Utah (Clarkson). Utah needs to spend money.

Opposite actually. That money is earmarked for the ability to renegotiate and extend Markkanen in another week or so for now. They absolutely can’t spend any money until they lock that in.

[GatherStepGuru]

What picks do the Lakers have? Maybe they use a future pick, Vincent, Rui, Vandy, Hayes for Ben Simmons. Maybe Ben is rejuvenated next to Lebron and AD at the 4. Nets get a pick for taking on longterm money and not just letting Ben’s contract run out.

Tough bc LA has a lot of overpaid players w longterm money. The new tax aprons are making teams more cautious with overpaying guys

[psman2]

What picks do the Lakers have? Maybe they use a future pick, Vincent, Rui, Vandy, Hayes for Ben Simmons. Maybe Ben is rejuvenated next to Lebron and AD at the 4. Nets get a pick for taking on longterm money and not just letting Ben’s contract run out.

Tough bc LA has a lot of overpaid players w longterm money. The new tax aprons are making teams more cautious with overpaying guys

I cannot see any team offer anything of value for Simmons. The future LAL money is really not that bad since those guys are all rotation level guys outside of Hayes, Vincent I have slightly negative but not someone I would be looking to pay to dump. Now at the deadline after Simmons has stay healthy and preformed well then maybe you could see something like this.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

What picks do the Lakers have? Maybe they use a future pick, Vincent, Rui, Vandy, Hayes for Ben Simmons. Maybe Ben is rejuvenated next to Lebron and AD at the 4. Nets get a pick for taking on longterm money and not just letting Ben’s contract run out.

Tough bc LA has a lot of overpaid players w longterm money. The new tax aprons are making teams more cautious with overpaying guys

Lakers overpaying for a terrible fit.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

The issue is the players LA offers, no one wants. DLO has been shopped throughout the league. No takers. His best asset is he is in his final year. Vincent can't maintain steady playing time, Vanderbilt can't shoot and JHS has not shown any ability to be a player.

So, we don’t know that. We’ve seen reports last year that a team or two that LA had engaged heavily didn’t have interest in Russell, sure. But we don’t know that NOBODY wants Russell. Since those reports, Russell has played fine, and he no longer has an additional year (with a player option), so the risk is MUCH lesser in acquiring Russell.

As for Vincent and JHS, their issues have been solely health, so far, in LA. Vanderbilt can’t shoot, but he can defend and he has size….2 things that teams value.

About the only trade I would do for Russell is Utah (Clarkson). Utah needs to spend money.

Opposite actually. That money is earmarked for the ability to renegotiate and extend Markkanen in another week or so for now. They absolutely can’t spend any money until they lock that in.

Agree, Lakers offered D-Lo as part of star trade packages for players like Murray. Not like they offered to every team for whatever spare parts they can get.

[zimpy27]

It seems the Lakers and Nets are destined to make a deal. LA needs several missing vet pieces and BKN is eager for a rebuild. Furthermore, BKN was interested in Hood Schifino last draft and could be interested in him again as a worthy flyer.

1. D. Russell, J. Hood Schifino FOR DFS (or Schroder), D. Sharpe
Why for LAL: The Lakers get a nice backup 5 and starting calibur wing/small ball 4 in DFS. They even shed $3M on the deal to get under the dreaded 2nd apron and have some more roster wiggle room. Is that extra money enough to sign Tyus Jones (who I really like for LAL, IF they can get further under tax), maybe not. Schroder may swap here for DFS if volume is more extreme.
Why for BKN: Russell was a former all-star with Nets and allows them to more easily sunset into a rebuild. JHS was previously coveted and worthy of extended minutes to determine credibility.

2. R. Russell, JHS. G. Vincent, future lotto protected 1st (if not used within 3 years turns into a 2nd) FOR DFS, D. Schroder, D. Sharpe
Why for LAL: They get all their needs in one move, but have to unload a future protected 1st.
Why for BKN: Better asset in a protected 1st

3. D. Russell, G. Vincent, JHS, future 1st (unprotected) FOR C. Johnson, D. Sharpe
Why for LAL: They net two sure fire rotation talents in Johnson/Sharpe and would have $6M allowing them to sign Tyus Jones.
Why for BKN: They get their ideal asset in return, that coveted unprotected future LAL 1st

3 is the right Nets players. Lakers want CamJ and Sharpe.

DLo, Vando, FRP

[TheNetsFan]

I don't recall ever hearing that the Nets had interest in JHS at the draft. If they did, scenario 1 could simply be JHS for Sharpe. Swapping Russell for DFS or Schroeder doesn't make sense for the Nets.

The problem with the last 2 is that you have the Nets both adding value and taking back future money for just one pick in return. I don't think they're willing to take back long term money. Also, the Nets refuse to pay the tax this season, and they don't have much wiggle room below the threshold. I don't see the willingly taking back much more than they send out.

[louc1970]

The issue is the players LA offers, no one wants. DLO has been shopped throughout the league. No takers. His best asset is he is in his final year. Vincent can't maintain steady playing time, Vanderbilt can't shoot and JHS has not shown any ability to be a player.

So, we don’t know that. We’ve seen reports last year that a team or two that LA had engaged heavily didn’t have interest in Russell, sure. But we don’t know that NOBODY wants Russell. Since those reports, Russell has played fine, and he no longer has an additional year (with a player option), so the risk is MUCH lesser in acquiring Russell.

As for Vincent and JHS, their issues have been solely health, so far, in LA. Vanderbilt can’t shoot, but he can defend and he has size….2 things that teams value.

About the only trade I would do for Russell is Utah (Clarkson). Utah needs to spend money.

Opposite actually. That money is earmarked for the ability to renegotiate and extend Markkanen in another week or so for now. They absolutely can’t spend any money until they lock that in.

All of the LA players have been on the trade block and no one is breaking down the door. It’s pretty obvious.

[Scoot McGroot]

The issue is the players LA offers, no one wants. DLO has been shopped throughout the league. No takers. His best asset is he is in his final year. Vincent can't maintain steady playing time, Vanderbilt can't shoot and JHS has not shown any ability to be a player.

So, we don’t know that. We’ve seen reports last year that a team or two that LA had engaged heavily didn’t have interest in Russell, sure. But we don’t know that NOBODY wants Russell. Since those reports, Russell has played fine, and he no longer has an additional year (with a player option), so the risk is MUCH lesser in acquiring Russell.

As for Vincent and JHS, their issues have been solely health, so far, in LA. Vanderbilt can’t shoot, but he can defend and he has size….2 things that teams value.

About the only trade I would do for Russell is Utah (Clarkson). Utah needs to spend money.

Opposite actually. That money is earmarked for the ability to renegotiate and extend Markkanen in another week or so for now. They absolutely can’t spend any money until they lock that in.

All of the LA players have been on the trade block and no one is breaking down the door. It’s pretty obvious.

Only if you think the “trade block” is a public way of saying “we’ll trade this guy for anything to anyone”. Otherwise, it’s easy to see that maybe they tried to trade him, and others, for talent upgrades and those teams didn’t bite. That’s fair. But it’s also not like LA was offering DLo and Rui and whatever for Ben Simmons and getting turned down, or whatnot. Getting turned down for DeJounte is different than getting turned down for “anyone”.

[eitanr]

I do think Tyus Jones is the right fit for LAL if they can get enough under. BKN seems like their only hope.

[louc1970]

So, we don’t know that. We’ve seen reports last year that a team or two that LA had engaged heavily didn’t have interest in Russell, sure. But we don’t know that NOBODY wants Russell. Since those reports, Russell has played fine, and he no longer has an additional year (with a player option), so the risk is MUCH lesser in acquiring Russell.

As for Vincent and JHS, their issues have been solely health, so far, in LA. Vanderbilt can’t shoot, but he can defend and he has size….2 things that teams value.


Opposite actually. That money is earmarked for the ability to renegotiate and extend Markkanen in another week or so for now. They absolutely can’t spend any money until they lock that in.

All of the LA players have been on the trade block and no one is breaking down the door. It’s pretty obvious.

Only if you think the “trade block” is a public way of saying “we’ll trade this guy for anything to anyone”. Otherwise, it’s easy to see that maybe they tried to trade him, and others, for talent upgrades and those teams didn’t bite. That’s fair. But it’s also not like LA was offering DLo and Rui and whatever for Ben Simmons and getting turned down, or whatnot. Getting turned down for DeJounte is different than getting turned down for “anyone”.

So far anything LA thinks is a fair trade has been rebuffed. It is that simple.
Would I take Hachimura for the 15th player on the Pistons? Yes. But that is not viewed as an equal trade by anyone.

[Scoot McGroot]

All of the LA players have been on the trade block and no one is breaking down the door. It’s pretty obvious.

Only if you think the “trade block” is a public way of saying “we’ll trade this guy for anything to anyone”. Otherwise, it’s easy to see that maybe they tried to trade him, and others, for talent upgrades and those teams didn’t bite. That’s fair. But it’s also not like LA was offering DLo and Rui and whatever for Ben Simmons and getting turned down, or whatnot. Getting turned down for DeJounte is different than getting turned down for “anyone”.

So far anything LA thinks is a fair trade has been rebuffed. It is that simple.
Would I take Hachimura for the 15th player on the Pistons? Yes. But that is not viewed as an equal trade by anyone.

Sure, LA might have greedy eyes and think that Russell and a pick was enough for Murray, and that’s clearly not accurate. But that also doesn’t mean that NO ONE wants Russell. Etc.

I think you’re mostly just pointing out that LA is having trouble accurately valuing guys more so than pointing out how Russell has no value in the league.

[Karmaloop]

The issue is the players LA offers, no one wants. DLO has been shopped throughout the league. No takers. His best asset is he is in his final year. Vincent can't maintain steady playing time, Vanderbilt can't shoot and JHS has not shown any ability to be a player.

That's not necessarily true. The problem is the Lakers lack additional assets to attach to their players. For example, when the Lakers tried to trade for Murray last deadline, the most they could offer was a single FRP plus some pick swaps. Obviously, the Hawks needed 2 FRPs to move off of him minimum, which the Lakers couldn't deal. The other problem is the Lakers aren't going to deal picks for the sake of moving picks. They're not attaching a FRP to turn Russell into someone like Schroder. The notion that nobody wants any of the Lakers' players is comical.

[gswhoops]

I do think there's a Lakers/Nets trade brewing - or at least there should be. CamJo, DFS, Sharpe, Schroder all make sense for LA but don't seem to be in Brooklyn's future plans.

#3 seems like the one that makes the most sense to me. Brooklyn would probably prefer to get off CamJo's long-term money and it's doubtful they're going to pay Sharpe to be a backup to Claxton next offseason either. And it frees up enough space for them to sign Tyus to the tax MLE. Maybe they can talk Brooklyn into taking Wood or Hayes into their cap for some extra 2nds down the line.

AD/Sharpe
Bron/Rui/Vando
Cam/Knecht
Reaves/Lewis
Tyus

[eitanr]

I do think there's a Lakers/Nets trade brewing - or at least there should be. CamJo, DFS, Sharpe, Schroder all make sense for LA but don't seem to be in Brooklyn's future plans.

#3 seems like the one that makes the most sense to me. Brooklyn would probably prefer to get off CamJo's long-term money and it's doubtful they're going to pay Sharpe to be a backup to Claxton next offseason either. And it frees up enough space for them to sign Tyus to the tax MLE. Maybe they can talk Brooklyn into taking Wood or Hayes into their cap for some extra 2nds down the line.

AD/Sharpe
Bron/Rui/Vando
Cam/Knecht
Reaves/Lewis
Tyus

Agreed number 3 is most likely, but it comes down to whether Cam Johnson is worth a 1st.

Lakers brass is rightly hesitant in moving any additional firsts and is almost playing these last 2 Lebron years as a similar swan song to Kobe’s ending.

Unless moving firsts catapults the Lakers into a top 4 scenario, which I can’t see given the massive gap between them and the core western supreme 4 (OKC, wolves, nuggets, mavs) I’d think at most Lakers may be willing to move is Hood Schiffino and a protected first that turns into a second in a rebuild scenario.

As such, does the downgrade from Cam Johnson to DFS allow that scenario to occur. More specifically the following trade:

DFS, Schroeder, Sharpe for Russell, Rui, JHS, protected future LaL first

That scenario gives the lakers a wider margin ($7M-$8M) to get Tyus at the tax MLE and get a better 3 and D combo forward in DFS. Cam is nice, but the injury history makes me nervous about moving a clean first. DFS ain’t no spring chicken either but at least it’s only protected.

Again, lakers goal here is to just get at least the 6th seed and hope their vet experience takes over for a playoff run.

Davis / Sharpe
James/ Vandy
DFS/ Knecht
Reaves/ Christie
Jones/ Schroeder

Is that enough to get to 6?


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[nzahir]

I do think there's a Lakers/Nets trade brewing - or at least there should be. CamJo, DFS, Sharpe, Schroder all make sense for LA but don't seem to be in Brooklyn's future plans.

#3 seems like the one that makes the most sense to me. Brooklyn would probably prefer to get off CamJo's long-term money and it's doubtful they're going to pay Sharpe to be a backup to Claxton next offseason either. And it frees up enough space for them to sign Tyus to the tax MLE. Maybe they can talk Brooklyn into taking Wood or Hayes into their cap for some extra 2nds down the line.

AD/Sharpe
Bron/Rui/Vando
Cam/Knecht
Reaves/Lewis
Tyus

Agreed number 3 is most likely, but it comes down to whether Cam Johnson is worth a 1st.

Lakers brass is rightly hesitant in moving any additional firsts and is almost playing these last 2 Lebron years as a similar swan song to Kobe’s ending.

Unless moving firsts catapults the Lakers into a top 4 scenario, which I can’t see given the massive gap between them and the core western supreme 4 (OKC, wolves, nuggets, mavs) I’d think at most Lakers may be willing to move is Hood Schiffino and a protected first that turns into a second in a rebuild scenario.

As such, does the downgrade from Cam Johnson to DFS allow that scenario to occur. More specifically the following trade:

DFS, Schroeder, Sharpe for Russell, Rui, JHS, protected future LaL first

That scenario gives the lakers a wider margin ($7M-$8M) to get Tyus at the tax MLE and get a better 3 and D combo forward in DFS. Cam is nice, but the injury history makes me nervous about moving a clean first. DFS ain’t no spring chicken either but at least it’s only protected.

Again, lakers goal here is to just get at least the 6th seed and hope their vet experience takes over for a playoff run.

Davis / Sharpe
James/ Vandy
DFS/ Knecht
Reaves/ Christie
Jones/ Schroeder

Is that enough to get to 6?


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This is where I would disagree

We literally were beating Denver 2/3 of the time last series and lost for some very fixable reasons

1) We had no reliable backup C. Anytime AD went out, Jokic killed us. Also AD got hurt the last game and missed a Q and they went on a massive run that cost us the game

2) Ham was a horrible coach who didnt call timeouts to stop the momentum and we didnt run enough set plays

3) Murray hit 2 game winners and went nuclear down the stretch of game 2

If we were able to get an elite or near elite 3 point shooting wing and a solid backup C, I think that puts us in the mix

And if giving up a 1st and maybe small pieces is it, then its worth doing

[louc1970]

So, we don’t know that. We’ve seen reports last year that a team or two that LA had engaged heavily didn’t have interest in Russell, sure. But we don’t know that NOBODY wants Russell. Since those reports, Russell has played fine, and he no longer has an additional year (with a player option), so the risk is MUCH lesser in acquiring Russell.

As for Vincent and JHS, their issues have been solely health, so far, in LA. Vanderbilt can’t shoot, but he can defend and he has size….2 things that teams value.


Opposite actually. That money is earmarked for the ability to renegotiate and extend Markkanen in another week or so for now. They absolutely can’t spend any money until they lock that in.

All of the LA players have been on the trade block and no one is breaking down the door. It’s pretty obvious.

Only if you think the “trade block” is a public way of saying “we’ll trade this guy for anything to anyone”. Otherwise, it’s easy to see that maybe they tried to trade him, and others, for talent upgrades and those teams didn’t bite. That’s fair. But it’s also not like LA was offering DLo and Rui and whatever for Ben Simmons and getting turned down, or whatnot. Getting turned down for DeJounte is different than getting turned down for “anyone”.

I don’t need a public trade dock to know. No trade has happened. That tells me everything the Lakers have offered has been rejected. Unless there is some secret trade no one has been told about.
Teams are not taking DLo, Vanderbilt, Vincent, JHS unless the Lakers give incentives.
Not sure how this is not obvious.