Who do we get as a reserve PG?

[younggunsmn]

We've only got like 4 guys who could play the point, we should have at least 8 from what I'm reading.

Only 2 guys on the roster deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as PG, Conley and Dillingham.
The "could play the point" argument is ridiculous as none of the others have any ballhandling or playmaking skill whatsoever.
Ant would be 3rd best ballhandler on the team and Ingles probably 4th.
And those guys are wings.
That's not near enough depth.

Nix sucks really really really bad and NAW has to work really hard to just get the ball up the floor without getting his pocket picked.
We are just obsessed with 6'4"+ guys defending the point of attack.

Unfortunately I have a feeling we are going to see a ton of NAW at the 1 this year, and while it works out nice defensively,
it's an utter disaster on the offensive end.
Leave him in his wing defender role, he struggled badly in the playoffs when asked to do more than that.

We guaranteed 1 million to Dozier so it will cost us at least 5.75 million in real money if someone goes down and we have to cut him.
Should have left that spot open and brought in a few guys to fight for it in camp if we weren't going to get a rotation level player to sign here.

[Saltine]

What the ****?

We've got 7 ballhandlers. We finished third last season.

Maybe you should follow a new team.

[winforlose]

What the ****?

We've got 7 ballhandlers. We finished third last season.

Maybe you should follow a new team.

So in other words you believe there is no difference between a PG and a ball handler? Or in other words, PGs don’t matter anymore?

[KGdaBom]

What the ****?

We've got 7 ballhandlers. We finished third last season.

Maybe you should follow a new team.

So in other words you believe there is no difference between a PG and a ball handler? Or in other words, PGs don’t matter anymore?

Maybe that comment was directed at you, but I thought it was to YoungGuns. He didn't say there was no difference. I can see some frustration towards negativity. We have everything to be excited about. Are we a perfect team with 15 playoff worthy starters? No we're not. I'm still very excited about our team and I CHOOSE to not worry about every little detail.

[Slim Tubby]

What the ****?

We've got 7 ballhandlers. We finished third last season.

Maybe you should follow a new team.

So in other words you believe there is no difference between a PG and a ball handler? Or in other words, PGs don’t matter anymore?

PG's don't seem to matter to Team USA. That's why they might not win the Gold. I completely agree that a lead PG remains highly valuable at any level of hoops.

However, we finally have significant RS/Playoff success and all of a sudden, some fans are expecting a perfect roster from 1 - 12 with three (3) future All Stars awaiting in street clothes.

No roster will ever be perfect and no 3rd string PG will ever make up for injuries or poor performance from the position players in front of them on a Title contender. There just aren't enough quality PG's in the league.

Shock the world, Tyus, and come home for peanuts!

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[winforlose]

What the ****?

We've got 7 ballhandlers. We finished third last season.

Maybe you should follow a new team.

So in other words you believe there is no difference between a PG and a ball handler? Or in other words, PGs don’t matter anymore?

PG's don't seem to matter to Team USA. That's why they might not win the Gold. I completely agree that a lead PG remains highly valuable at any level of hoops.

However, we finally have significant RS/Playoff success and all of a sudden, some fans are expecting a perfect roster from 1 - 12 with three (3) future All Stars awaiting in street clothes.

No roster will ever be perfect and no 3rd string PG will ever make up for injuries or poor performance from the position players in front of them on a Title contender. There just aren't enough quality PG's in the league.

Shock the world, Tyus, and come home for peanuts!

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This is where you and I disagree. We don’t need to be a perfect roster or be 12 deep (though we probably are if Miller and Minott can eat minutes without destroying the schemes,) but what we need is another legit PG on the roster who can ease RD into the role and be insurance if Mike or RD goes down. Your premise that no backup can do the job overlooks all the times backups have helped get teams to the playoffs and even sometimes advance. TJ McConnell was big for Indy in the playoffs last year and no one was hurt. If it took a promise of 20-25 minutes to keep JMAC or Morris than make that promise and work Dilly in around them. I think we are too spoiled from last years relative health. It is an 82 game season and stuff happens.

[Slim Tubby]

So in other words you believe there is no difference between a PG and a ball handler? Or in other words, PGs don’t matter anymore?

PG's don't seem to matter to Team USA. That's why they might not win the Gold. I completely agree that a lead PG remains highly valuable at any level of hoops.

However, we finally have significant RS/Playoff success and all of a sudden, some fans are expecting a perfect roster from 1 - 12 with three (3) future All Stars awaiting in street clothes.

No roster will ever be perfect and no 3rd string PG will ever make up for injuries or poor performance from the position players in front of them on a Title contender. There just aren't enough quality PG's in the league.

Shock the world, Tyus, and come home for peanuts!

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This is where you and I disagree. We don’t need to be a perfect roster or be 12 deep (though we probably are if Miller and Minott can eat minutes without destroying the schemes,) but what we need is another legit PG on the roster who can ease RD into the role and be insurance if Mike or RD goes down. Your premise that no backup can do the job overlooks all the times backups have helped get teams to the playoffs and even sometimes advance. TJ McConnell was big for Indy in the playoffs last year and no one was hurt. If it took a promise of 20-25 minutes to keep JMAC or Morris than make that promise and work Dilly in around them. I think we are too spoiled from last years relative health. It is an 82 game season and stuff happens.

If there was a player of McConnell's talent available and affordable, we should've grabbed them. However, there wasn't and McConnell really isn't a 3rd PG option from a talent standpoint.

I'm right there with you that getting a talent like Tyus, paired with Conley and Dilly, would make all of us sleep better at night.

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[BlacJacMac]

What the ****?

We've got 7 ballhandlers. We finished third last season.

Maybe you should follow a new team.

So in other words you believe there is no difference between a PG and a ball handler? Or in other words, PGs don’t matter anymore?

This is exactly what I’m talking about. You keep twisting what others say into these crazy absolutes.

[Klomp]

No idea who this guy is, but he has at least a little bit of a social media following. It's interesting to say the least.

Read on Twitter

[winforlose]

What the ****?

We've got 7 ballhandlers. We finished third last season.

Maybe you should follow a new team.

So in other words you believe there is no difference between a PG and a ball handler? Or in other words, PGs don’t matter anymore?

This is exactly what I’m talking about. You keep twisting what others say into these crazy absolutes.

Notice the question marks? I was asking not stating. He said we have seven ball handlers, I was trying to see if he draws a distinction between a ball handler and a PG. If anything it seems like you’re twisting my questions into statements.

[winforlose]

No idea who this guy is, but he has at least a little bit of a social media following. It's interesting to say the least.

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Tyus with us for a minimum would be mana from heaven. But he knows we cannot give him much more than a minimum next year (early bird only,) so at best he is here for a prove it. With Dilly, I don’t know that Finch and TC would promise enough minutes.

[KGdaBom]

No idea who this guy is, but he has at least a little bit of a social media following. It's interesting to say the least.

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Tyus with us for a minimum would be mana from heaven. But he knows we cannot give him much more than a minimum next year (early bird only,) so at best he is here for a prove it. With Dilly, I don’t know that Finch and TC would promise enough minutes.

Dilly is both our present back up PG and our future starter. He comes before Tyus. That needs to be clear. If Tyus wants to get a ring he joins us for vet minimum with no assurances..

[minimus]

No idea who this guy is, but he has at least a little bit of a social media following. It's interesting to say the least.

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Don't give me hope...

[winforlose]

No idea who this guy is, but he has at least a little bit of a social media following. It's interesting to say the least.

Read on Twitter

Tyus with us for a minimum would be mana from heaven. But he knows we cannot give him much more than a minimum next year (early bird only,) so at best he is here for a prove it. With Dilly, I don’t know that Finch and TC would promise enough minutes.

Dilly is both our present back up PG and our future starter. He comes before Tyus. That needs to be clear. If Tyus wants to get a ring he joins us for vet minimum with no assurances..

I don’t really know what’s going on with Tyus to be honest. He wants to start, teams don’t seem to want to let him. He should have negotiated a deal much earlier than this. The whole thing is weird.

[Domejandro]

If you can get Tyus Jones for the veteran's minimum, you do that in an absolute heartbeat. Not even a moment's worth of hesitation.

I don't think there is any chance of that happening, but that isn't even a debatable idea.

[KGdaBom]

If you can get Tyus Jones for the veteran's minimum, you do that in an absolute heartbeat. Not even a moment's worth of hesitation.

I don't think there is any chance of that happening, but that isn't even a debatable idea.

Yep. I said that a week or two ago.

[jpatrick]

If you can get Tyus Jones for the veteran's minimum, you do that in an absolute heartbeat. Not even a moment's worth of hesitation.

I don't think there is any chance of that happening, but that isn't even a debatable idea.

Yes. But I don’t see him as a fit here or in Memphis actually, despite this guy’s update. Here, Dilly is going to need minutes behind Conley. Could we find Tyus 15 minutes? Sure. Would he be happy with that? No chance.

Same in Memphis. Jah is back. And Pippin Jr is someone I think is a high end backup point guard. Tyus makes more sense there because I wouldn’t trust Jah to stay on the court.

Either place, he’s not going to get big money this year or next year. And he’s not going to get enough minutes to raise his market, so he gets a big free agent deal next offseason.

Once the market dried up, it makes more sense to sign a shorter deal with the Wiz for 10m+/yr. His Bird rights stay intact. And they may be able to trade him midseason to a better situation.

[KGdaBom]

Was Tyus' contract for $3.3M vet minimum? He should have came here for a ring.

[Note30]

Was Tyus' contract for $3.3M vet minimum? He should have came here for a ring.

LOL.

A.) Why would you ever give up a starting gig to play backup, esp if you're giving up money in another situation to play for a starting spot. He wants starter money he has a shot to prove it next year on the Suns.

B.) We're not guaranteed to win a ring.

He picked the best move for his career unquestionably given the circumstances at the moment.

[younggunsmn]

What the ****?

We've got 7 ballhandlers. We finished third last season.

Maybe you should follow a new team.

My word I can't even talk about the 14th roster spot without you nitwits acting like I'm saying the team is forever doomed.
Maybe you should go touch grass.

You mention 7 ballhandlers with no mention at all about quality or position.
I'm a ballhandler too, hey look I'm even doing it right now!
Only 3 of those guys are good enough to be a lead ballhandler in this league and one is our superstar starting SG, one is going to be 37, and one is a 19 year old rookie who didn't start in college and struggled in summer league.

All I'm saying is hey, it might be wise to have some contingency plans for those guys somewhere in the last couple of roster spots.
I mean this is the franchise that had its one shot at a title taken out 20 years ago because it ran out of PGs after its aging starter got injured.

If we hadnt drafted Dilly, maybe there's a small chance Tyus would have chosen us over Phoenix.
But we couldn't wait long enough for his market to crash like it did.

I would have taken a chance on someone like Killian Hayes who is already serviceable as a defender and low turnover backup PG and hope he could fix his shot before I signed Dozier who is equally as bad a shooter with no PG skills.