2024 Paris Olympics General (non-Basketball/Track & Field) Discussion Thread

Aside from basketball, which Olympic sports are you enjoying the most?

Track and Field
69
35%
Swimming
32
16%
Diving
3
2%
Gymnastics
17
9%
Soccer/Football
10
5%
Tennis
15
8%
Golf
2
1%
Volleyball (beach and/or indoor)
17
9%
Boxing/Martial Arts/Wrestling
9
5%
Other (surfing, table tennis, rugby, handball, field hockey, water polo, fencing, cycling, skating, shooting, weightlifting, boat stuff, horse stuff, weird stuff)
23
12%
 
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Post#41 » by scrabbarista » Sat Jul 27, 2024 1:46 am

bisme37 wrote:Aside from Men's Basketball I'm realizing most of my biggest interests this Olympics are actually on the Women's side.

I really enjoy women's indoor volleyball. I root for USA but I'm fan of several other countries as well. It's usually annoyingly hard to watch in the US (there's plenty of college volleyball on tv but not really international or pro teams) so I always get pumped for Olympic volleyball.

And then in track and field I enjoy Americans like Gabby Thomas, Dalilah Muhammad, Sydney McLaughlin, Abby Steiner, Anna Hall and others. And I love the Dutch hurdler Femke Bol. And I can't forget my beautiful girlfriend, the Ukrainian high jumper Yaroslava Mahuchikh haha. And Aussie high jumper Nicola Olyslagers is cool too.

And I'll be watching the USA women's basketball team as well of course.

In other news yes I am single lol.


Women's indoor volleyball is probably my second-favorite live (in person) sport. It's up there, if not. I love how they work as a unit and communicate. Nothing like it.

But I'll probably be working through the Olympics. In my heart I always feel super supportive, but I'm not sure I've live-watched a single Olympic basketball game in my entire life. Crazy. Cuz I do honestly care. But...

meh, I dunno. hahahaha
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Post#42 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sat Jul 27, 2024 1:54 am

This Paris opening ceremony was um…I can’t wait for the games.
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Post#43 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sat Jul 27, 2024 2:36 am

I need Bob Costas as the broadcaster, because these 3 broadcasters are not the voice of the Olympics. I know he stepped down but he needs to step back up.
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Post#44 » by shrink » Sat Jul 27, 2024 2:42 am

Women’s VB for me too. I find that the Men’s game just has too many insta-kills, and I love to see the women rally a little.

Don’t forget Chase Budinger is representing USA in the sand.
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Post#45 » by Nuntius » Sat Jul 27, 2024 3:15 am

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It was wildly offensive to an entire religion. And completely unnecessary


I understand why you think this. When I saw I thought "oh this is a parisian artist's stuff, this is not a beautiful show, and people throught the world won't understand. They will offense so many people".

But then I thought this was great actually. Indeed, it was not to offense a religion, but to claim right to blasphem. When so many books are withdrawed from libraries, when LGBTQ+ have to struggle against so much violence and discriminations, when France seems to forget his history and stop to consider Human rights as his main values ... Finally this was a very interesting thing. But, i have to aknowledge this was not easy to understand from US and other countries where religion is very important.

In France, understand that religions are a private thing, but everyone is free to chose and live with his religion. Don't forget if France and USA where considered as twin nations was because of free religions. Someone could be french or US whatever his religion. Look at Jews from the 19s who went to US and France (mainly from eastern Europe) for awareness freedom.

So I am sorry if people were offensed, but be sure that people who supported this ceremony wanted to send a message for tolerance and respect for everyone in a world where more and more people are not accepted as they are: Humans. In this way, I felt well represented as a French, and even proud.

Right to blaspheme is a French tradition. But let's be honest about why one religion was chosen over another. This was the safer choice. Tolerance and respect.


It wasn't the religion that was chosen as much as the piece of art that the performance aimed to resemble.
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Post#46 » by Nuntius » Sat Jul 27, 2024 3:17 am

As for the Olympic ceremony itself, I think it was great. The director said that they wanted to showcase the entirety of Paris in the ceremony and not just what tourists think of when they think of Paris and I think that this ceremony did indeed succeed on this goal.
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Post#47 » by G R E Y » Sat Jul 27, 2024 3:28 am

Nuntius wrote:
G R E Y wrote:
a-French-Fan wrote:
I understand why you think this. When I saw I thought "oh this is a parisian artist's stuff, this is not a beautiful show, and people throught the world won't understand. They will offense so many people".

But then I thought this was great actually. Indeed, it was not to offense a religion, but to claim right to blasphem. When so many books are withdrawed from libraries, when LGBTQ+ have to struggle against so much violence and discriminations, when France seems to forget his history and stop to consider Human rights as his main values ... Finally this was a very interesting thing. But, i have to aknowledge this was not easy to understand from US and other countries where religion is very important.

In France, understand that religions are a private thing, but everyone is free to chose and live with his religion. Don't forget if France and USA where considered as twin nations was because of free religions. Someone could be french or US whatever his religion. Look at Jews from the 19s who went to US and France (mainly from eastern Europe) for awareness freedom.

So I am sorry if people were offensed, but be sure that people who supported this ceremony wanted to send a message for tolerance and respect for everyone in a world where more and more people are not accepted as they are: Humans. In this way, I felt well represented as a French, and even proud.

Right to blaspheme is a French tradition. But let's be honest about why one religion was chosen over another. This was the safer choice. Tolerance and respect.


It wasn't the religion that was chosen as much as the piece of art that the performance aimed to resemble.

How can we know that the piece of art of one faith over another wasn't a consideration given one is a safer choice?

Of course the art was recreated. But it's a looking away from a central aspect of the choice that the choice of one art, or of one depicting a crucial scene in a faith's tenet, or religious oeuvre, if you will, isn't a factor.

After all, it's not da Vinci that is considered as being blasphemed, my earlier quip about it notwithstanding.
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Post#48 » by KG Leonard » Sat Jul 27, 2024 3:50 am

G R E Y wrote:
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azcatz11 wrote:
It was wildly offensive to an entire religion. And completely unnecessary


I understand why you think this. When I saw I thought "oh this is a parisian artist's stuff, this is not a beautiful show, and people throught the world won't understand. They will offense so many people".

But then I thought this was great actually. Indeed, it was not to offense a religion, but to claim right to blasphem. When so many books are withdrawed from libraries, when LGBTQ+ have to struggle against so much violence and discriminations, when France seems to forget his history and stop to consider Human rights as his main values ... Finally this was a very interesting thing. But, i have to aknowledge this was not easy to understand from US and other countries where religion is very important.

In France, understand that religions are a private thing, but everyone is free to chose and live with his religion. Don't forget if France and USA where considered as twin nations was because of free religions. Someone could be french or US whatever his religion. Look at Jews from the 19s who went to US and France (mainly from eastern Europe) for awareness freedom.

So I am sorry if people were offensed, but be sure that people who supported this ceremony wanted to send a message for tolerance and respect for everyone in a world where more and more people are not accepted as they are: Humans. In this way, I felt well represented as a French, and even proud.

Right to blaspheme is a French tradition. But let's be honest about why one religion was chosen over another. This was the safer choice. Tolerance and respect.


I don't want to make it sound political but you are very right about the safer choice. There is no tolerance about making laws against the religion of most of your immigrants, banning the religious outfit of women. It is no longer about Right to blaspheme but sheer ignorance, tolerance only for certain world religions. That's their mainstream political views, law makers and not the extreme right-wing groups.
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Post#49 » by Nuntius » Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:03 am

G R E Y wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
G R E Y wrote:Right to blaspheme is a French tradition. But let's be honest about why one religion was chosen over another. This was the safer choice. Tolerance and respect.


It wasn't the religion that was chosen as much as the piece of art that the performance aimed to resemble.

How can we know that the piece of art of one faith over another wasn't a consideration given one is a safer choice?

Of course the art was recreated. But it's a looking away from a central aspect of the choice that the choice of one art, or of one depicting a crucial scene in a faith's tenet, or religious oeuvre, if you will, isn't a factor.

After all, it's not da Vinci that is considered as being blasphemed, my earlier quip about it notwithstanding.


How many pieces of religious art are as iconic to a Western and, especially, French audience as the Last Supper? Are there any non-Christian pieces of religious art that are instantly recognizable to Western (and, again, French) audiences?

Would the recreation/homage/lampooning (If someone wants to view it in a hostile light) work if the piece of art chosen wasn't as widely known as the Last Supper? Would the general audience understand what it is?

The Last Supper was indeed the safer choice but what made it safe wasn't what you're implying. What made it the safer choice is that everyone in the West can recognize it. Religious or not. It's one of those works of art that is considered universal because of how famous it is. That's why it was chosen.

Besides, when any artist tries to recreate/pay homage or lampoon something, it's natural to draw from their own experiences and the culture that they were brought up in. France is a Christian-majority country so it's only natural that the religious art recreated was Christian. It would actually be pretty weird if it wasn't.

Remember the opening ceremony of the Tokyo Olympics? Did they reference Christian religious art at any point? No, of course not. Because it wouldn't make any sense of them. It wouldn't be part of the country's culture (which is something that they're supposed to showcase). But it did heavily reference video games, noh theatre, kabuki and Japanese game shows. Because, you know, all that is part of the culture that they were supposed to showcase.

That is exactly what this opening ceremony did. It showcased the culture of France and Paris. That's the goal and, imo, they absolutely nailed that. Because, yeah, beheading royalty, lampooning religious institutions and generally mocking authority are all parts of French and Parisian culture.
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Post#50 » by WarriorGM » Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:04 am

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:Will any Olympic ceremony top the Beijing Olympics?


Simple and direct for me 1984 Los Angeles and 1988 Seoul. Perhaps just for the instrumental orchestral music playing in the background and traditional dances.

The first opening ceremonies you watch tend to be the best. You get jaded afterward at the gimmicks.
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Post#51 » by Badlands » Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:05 am

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Liam_Gallagher wrote:That opening ceremony was…atrocious.

Re-creating the last supper was wild.

I liked the creativity and concept in general, but there were parts that were distasteful. That was one of them.


It was wildly offensive to an entire religion. And completely unnecessary


Sorry, but this is such a weird take. The Last Supper has been parodied hundreds of times, including by McDonald's and the Sopranos. Were people this upset all those times or just when it involves gay people?

People act like The Last Supper was a photograph or something. Of course, it was a painting by Leonardo... who was famously gay.
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Post#52 » by brackdan70 » Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:09 am

Weird stuff? I didn’t know that was an Olympic sport. I am going to start training for next time
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Post#53 » by Slim Tubby » Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:11 am

My dogs bogart the TV remote and they always seem to search out Women's Beach Volleyball.

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Post#54 » by KG Leonard » Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:24 am

I voted for Track and Field because that's the superstar of all Olympics events, where the legends are the biggest during Olympics. Michael Johnson, Carl Lewis, Bolt, Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce, Marlene Ottey etc.
Also voted for Soccer where my Swedish Women's homeland team lost in the final in Tokyo and Handball, Tennis but usually I watch the less popular sports that are smaller outside the Olympics, Volleyball, Swimming, Gymnastics ( only for Simone B).

Of course i will root extra for Swedish goldmedal chances like Mando Duplantis destroying his American challengers, Women's Soccer team, Sarah Sjöström, Mens Handball team etc. When you grow up in tiny country like Sweden, every medal is huge, historical events. :)
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Post#56 » by durden_tyler » Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:27 am

That opening ceremony was something. Parade of nations outside just provided a different feel. Best ever, i think?
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Post#57 » by WarriorGM » Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:37 am

It seems Carl Lewis hasn't been repudiated. I thought there was news that old samples he submitted tested positive when newer technology was used?
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Post#58 » by KG Leonard » Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:44 am

WarriorGM wrote:It seems Carl Lewis hasn't been repudiated. I thought there was news that old samples he submitted tested positive when newer technology was used?


He was arguably the biggest Omympian ever before legendary people like Bolt, in the prime event of Olympics, the most famous sprint distances.

It would be global, horrific news if there was clear facts of him doping. I grew up watching Track and Field, otherwise Olympics was pointless to us as kids. He is still holy figure. Not like a Ben Johnson and Lance Armstrong would be nothing compared if there was confirmed facts of Lewis cheating "when he won his 8-9 medals."
Jesse Owens is emotional Hallmark mini compared to historical importance of Lewis to Track and Field/ Olympics...
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Post#59 » by G R E Y » Sat Jul 27, 2024 5:03 am

Nuntius wrote:
G R E Y wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
It wasn't the religion that was chosen as much as the piece of art that the performance aimed to resemble.

How can we know that the piece of art of one faith over another wasn't a consideration given one is a safer choice?

Of course the art was recreated. But it's a looking away from a central aspect of the choice that the choice of one art, or of one depicting a crucial scene in a faith's tenet, or religious oeuvre, if you will, isn't a factor.

After all, it's not da Vinci that is considered as being blasphemed, my earlier quip about it notwithstanding.


How many pieces of religious art are as iconic to a Western and, especially, French audience as the Last Supper? Are there any non-Christian pieces of religious art that are instantly recognizable to Western (and, again, French) audiences?

Would the recreation/homage/lampooning (If someone wants to view it in a hostile light) work if the piece of art chosen wasn't as widely known as the Last Supper? Would the general audience understand what it is?

The Last Supper was indeed the safer choice but what made it safe wasn't what you're implying. What made it the safer choice is that everyone in the West can recognize it. Religious or not. It's one of those works of art that is considered universal because of how famous it is. That's why it was chosen.

Besides, when any artist tries to recreate/pay homage or lampoon something, it's natural to draw from their own experiences and the culture that they were brought up in. France is a Christian-majority country so it's only natural that the religious art recreated was Christian. It would actually be pretty weird if it wasn't.

Remember the opening ceremony of the Tokyo Olympics? Did they reference Christian religious art at any point? No, of course not. Because it wouldn't make any sense of them. It wouldn't be part of the country's culture (which is something that they're supposed to showcase). But it did heavily reference video games, noh theatre, kabuki and Japanese game shows. Because, you know, all that is part of the culture that they were supposed to showcase.

That is exactly what this opening ceremony did. It showcased the culture of France and Paris. That's the goal and, imo, they absolutely nailed that. Because, yeah, beheading royalty, lampooning religious institutions and generally mocking authority are all parts of French and Parisian culture.

Are there no other famous works of art, non-religious, from which to choose? Are there sensitivities around other religious works that, had they been recreated/lampooned instead, would have been as safe to do so - in today's France? That's a lot of good points that work a big circle around the hub, which is that is IS a centrally religious symbolic piece of art. As you acknowledge. But there's also a reason France has banned all religious exterior symbols in schools (paraphrasing) and only one religion was lampooned, despite it being a country of many faiths, of course. Something is being ignored-to-minimized here, even as I support the right to blaspheme in general.
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Post#60 » by G R E Y » Sat Jul 27, 2024 5:05 am

durden_tyler wrote:That opening ceremony was something. Parade of nations outside just provided a different feel. Best ever, i think?

This was a most unique concept. It'll be hard to top in the winter Olympics in France in a few years.
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