Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[Guano]

Ayton vs KAT fans arguing is like watching bum fights

Both are losers who need to stay away from the knicks

[spree2kawhi]

If its Ayton it will have to be a 3 team trade...

Ayton ($34mil) and Nic Richards ($5mil) to NY

Deuce ($.4.7mil) and Mitch (14.3 mil) to Charlotte

Precious ($13.1mil) Grant Williams ($13 mil) WAS & DET 1sts + other salary filler like DW Toppin Brown

Blazers would be selling pretty damn low but also saving $20 mil and opening up playing time for their top pick Clingan

Hornets add a off ball 3 and D wing to pair with LaMelo in Deuce and go full Lob City with Lamelo and Mitch (and Bridges)

Knicks clean up the rotation and solidify the Center position

Ayton/Richards
Randle/OG
OG/Hart
Mikal/Donte
Brunson/Kolek/Payne

Still don't even think thats possible as we'd be over the second apron i think by a few mil but thats how we'd have to start manuvering to make an Ayton trade work without Randle involved...

For Melo

Not possible as laid out. The Knicks would have to send out more salary than they take back if they sign and trade Precious and they don´t under this proposal.

We (the board) talked about this a couple of days ago. It seems technically feasible to do something like this (not including Richards - that's impossible in this scenario of Mitch and Precious being the big salary pieces) once one can package Bates-Diop and Payne, but only by converting several two-way contracts into rookie min-scale contracts. That seem like a stretch (no pun intended) for Thibs to swallow, even if you probably could give away Bates-Diop and Payne for draft rights to someone.

Which centre rotation is preferable, I suppose, is then a question.

Ayton-Hukporti-Skapintsev or Mitch-Precious-Jericho ?

Clearly Towns-Kessler

[spree2kawhi]

Ayton vs KAT fans arguing is like watching bum fights

Both are losers who need to stay away from the knicks

You sound very glad to have the eternal winner in Dubious Handles.

[spree2kawhi]

trading for ayton == trading for eddy curry

Trading for KAT = trading for Bargnani

Towns‘s career averages:

22.9 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 52.4 FG%, 39.8 3P%


Since some of y’all only look at the big stats anyway, compare that to


Blake Griffin
19, 8, 49 FG%, 33 3P%

Chris Bosh
19, 9, 49 FG%, 34 3P%

Amar‘e
19, 8, 54 FG%, 24 3P%

Julius Randle
19, 9, 47 FG%, 33 3P%

Carmelo Anthony
22, 6, 44 FG%, 36 3P%

…

Bbbbbut Bosh was a proven winner and KAT is really soft

[Ray Williams]

There is no reason Jericho can’t be a serviceable center off the bench. The guy is a freak athlete, I’m hoping the addition of Mark Bryant coaches this kid up to his potential, he can be special, he has all the physical tools. There’s a reason we haven’t let go of him.

[finestrg]

Honestly, I would've been fine with Jay Huff. ECSTATIC even.. I mean what was wrong with this guy? He would've been PERFECT.

So let me get this straight -- Memphis, who already had Jaren Jackson Jr. and drafted Zach Edey, just signed Huff to a 2-way deal... They even cut Trey Jemison to make room for him, a guy I think you could make a good case for that he's better than Jericho Sims...

Meanwhile over here, Hartenstein bolts on us (happy for him but I'm glad we didn't pay that kind of money to keep him -- let OKC have him for that amount), all of these trade ideas for a legit C have gone nowhere, we still have a huge need in the middle (Mitch ain't even that good, far from a complete player and I feel like we'll be lucky to get 30 games out of him and Jericho Sims isn't even an NBA player), and we show no interest in a guy like Jay Huff???

Listen, I've come to respect Leon Rose and all the geniuses surrounding him, no question about it.. These guys obviously know what they're doing and I'm so appreciate and grateful for what they've done...100% agree with the two big moves we made this off-season -- the Bridges trade and bringing back OG. Both had to be done...But now turning our attention to suring up the middle, none of these trade ideas we've been linked to felt real or seemed even remotely feasible. Doesn't mean that you don't stop working the phones.. My thing though -- why not go out and sign Jay Huff for insurance WHILE CONTINUING to work the phones?? With all the good that Rose and co. have done and continue to do, I feel like we missed an opportunity not signing Jay Huff here.

Here's my super real opinion of Hartenstein (and I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking this) -- did a nice job for us, probably better than Mitch pound for pound, but now that he got the type of money he did, I'm putting him on my overrated list. Like Mitch, he's a limited player in a lot of areas. Nice player, was useful and helpful, but not worth $87 M over 3 yrs. Come on, that's absurd.. I think you could make A VERY GOOD CASE how Jay Huff, with his size and skill set, could EASILY turn into an even better player than Hartenstein if given the same opportunities... Even a better overall player than Walker Kessler....And hey, even if I'm wrong about that, signing Huff to a minimal deal with much less expectation than I have for him would've been the right thing. I mean you know the Knicks know about this dude -- I bet if Huff's agent was smart, knowing the Knicks sudden derth of options in the middle, he probably reached out to the Knicks himself, in a 'hey, what about my guy?' way. I know i would've if I were Huff's agent.. I mean say that happened, what did Leon say to him, 'no thanks'??????

I see a huge missed opportunity not getting Huff -- We should've signed this man to a two-way deal while we continue exploring these pie-in-the-sky trades ideas of a C... I mean what's the latest rumor now that made me laugh? A trade for DeAndre Ayton? LOL Ok... I mean come on, please... But no, I have to read that he went to Memphis, a team whose 5 spot was already a strength... smh

Jay Huff was clearly the way to go but under the bridge now.. My 2nd choice going back weeks now in Omer Yurtseven. He's still out there... Maybe we gobble him up now before he's gone too.

[Signature NYK]

If its Ayton it will have to be a 3 team trade...

Ayton ($34mil) and Nic Richards ($5mil) to NY

Deuce ($.4.7mil) and Mitch (14.3 mil) to Charlotte

Precious ($13.1mil) Grant Williams ($13 mil) WAS & DET 1sts + other salary filler like DW Toppin Brown

Blazers would be selling pretty damn low but also saving $20 mil and opening up playing time for their top pick Clingan

Hornets add a off ball 3 and D wing to pair with LaMelo in Deuce and go full Lob City with Lamelo and Mitch (and Bridges)

Knicks clean up the rotation and solidify the Center position

Ayton/Richards
Randle/OG
OG/Hart
Mikal/Donte
Brunson/Kolek/Payne

Still don't even think thats possible as we'd be over the second apron i think by a few mil but thats how we'd have to start manuvering to make an Ayton trade work without Randle involved...

For Melo

This right here is a great person

Lmaooo

[finestrg]

So I lost track of this kid a little bit -- I really liked EJ Liddell coming out of Ohio State. A little small for a 4 but long (7 foot wing span) with good two-way skills -- impacts the game on both ends with his scoring and shot-blocking.

Gets drafted by New Orleans, torn his ACL in summer league for them right away but rebounded and started showing out in the GL. Traded to Atlanta as part of the Dejounte Murray deal who then flipped him to PHX in a smaller deal. Now it looks like the Suns will be waiving him.

[url]https://hoopshype.com/2024/07/27/suns-to-waive-ej-liddell/[/url

If we're still looking for a backup 4 (provided they don't think Keita Bates-Diop is enough), would signing this guy over Precious Achiuwa, even though he's a tad smaller, be a better option? I get Achiuwa can also play some small ball 5 and Liddell really can't...But pound for pound, if we're just comparing both Liddell and Achiuwa as PFs, I think Liddell's more talented myself. Looks healthy now too...

Man, Jay Huff and EJ Liddell would've been a perfect way to finish out the roster... I even would've went a step further and waived Sims to add Omer Yurtseven, call me crazy. Oh well

[kNicksGmen]

trading for ayton == trading for eddy curry

Trading for KAT = trading for Bargnani

Towns‘s career averages:

22.9 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 52.4 FG%, 39.8 3P%


Since some of y’all only look at the big stats anyway, compare that to


Blake Griffin
19, 8, 49 FG%, 33 3P%

Chris Bosh
19, 9, 49 FG%, 34 3P%

Amar‘e
19, 8, 54 FG%, 24 3P%

Julius Randle
19, 9, 47 FG%, 33 3P%

Carmelo Anthony
22, 6, 44 FG%, 36 3P%

…

Bbbbbut Bosh was a proven winner and KAT is really soft

this isn't a fair comp due to everyone you listed (other than randle) is retired - so their later years lowered their stats.
not disagreeing with the point you're trying to make - but Kat has played 9 seasons, so you should comp to those players first 9 seasons.

[Jalen Bluntson]

iHart really ruined this summer. Can't say I wish him luck either. I hate his face now.

[Context]

iHart really ruined this summer. Can't say I wish him luck either. I hate his face now.

Ihart cant stop this Brunson era...have no fear!

[Signature NYK]

Another trade offer from Bleacher Report

Houston Rockets Receive: PF Julius Randle

New York Knicks Receive: PF Jabari Smith Jr., C Jock Landale, F Jeff Green, 2027 first-round pick (top-five protected)

If the Rockets want to make a big leap in the West standings next season, adding an All-Star power forward in the prime of his career could help.

Randle, 28, is a Texas native who would bring balance to this young Rockets team. He averaged 24.0 points, 9.2 rebounds and 5.0 assists per game last season and would slide into a Houston starting five that also features Fred VanVleet, Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks and Alperen Şengün.

Smith, 21, has All-Star potential, but Randle is better suited to lead the Rockets into the playoffs now.

For a Knicks team that still went 21-15 without Randle and reached the second round of the playoffs, this move is designed to increase future financial flexibility while staying in the title hunt now. Smith could start at power forward, or the Knicks could keep OG Anunoby at the four, allowing Josh Hart or Donte DiVincenzo to stay in the opening lineup as well.

Smith has two years remaining on his rookie deal, while Landale and Green are either in the final year of their contract or have a non-guaranteed salary for next season. That would save the Knicks a lot of potential money in 2025 with a Randle extension off the table.

Landale would also give the Knicks a backup center to Mitchell Robinson, a spot that both Smith and Green could eat up minutes at as well. The Knicks would pick up a future first-round selection as well, which is important after they gave up five in a deal for Mikal Bridges.

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I'm personally not in favor of trading Randle just to trade him.... But Jabari is a very interesting prospect for a few reasons.

1. He's 20 years old and already an impact defender that can guard 1-5. Adding Jabari to a wing duo of OG and Mikal AND elite rim protection in Mitch.... Can run some crazy defensive lineups (especially if Deuce is still in tow) Would be a Thibs wet dream. (See above for 32 min Jabari defensive highlight from last year)
2. He shot 36% from 3 last year and seemingly improves the spacing of the team
3. He's still on his rookie deal. Under team control for 3 more years at 9 -12 mil meaning it will be easier to add talent while maintaining financial flexibility with these new CBA aprons. (Julius set to be paid very soon)
4. If we were to make a trade like this I would assume Steven Adams is brought back to solidify the Center position.
5. If Jabari takes a leap and reaches his pre draft potential you'd be set for 7-8 years instead of 3-4

Mitch/Adams/Precious/Sims
Jabari/OG/Precious
OG/Hart/Dadiet
Mikal/Donte/Deuce
Brunson/Deuce/Kolek/Payne

All that said Julius creation and shot making ability can't be discounted. We'd be overly reliant on Brunson to create for us unless Mikal, OG, Donte, Jabari can grow as facilitators..

[thebuzzardman]

Honestly, I would've been fine with Jay Huff. ECSTATIC even.. I mean what was wrong with this guy? He would've been PERFECT.

So let me get this straight -- Memphis, who already had Jaren Jackson Jr. and drafted Zach Edey, just signed Huff to a 2-way deal... They even cut Trey Jemison to make room for him, a guy I think you could make a good case for that he's better than Jericho Sims...

Meanwhile over here, Hartenstein bolts on us (happy for him but I'm glad we didn't pay that kind of money to keep him -- let OKC have him for that amount), all of these trade ideas for a legit C have gone nowhere, we still have a huge need in the middle (Mitch ain't even that good, far from a complete player and I feel like we'll be lucky to get 30 games out of him and Jericho Sims isn't even an NBA player), and we show no interest in a guy like Jay Huff???

Listen, I've come to respect Leon Rose and all the geniuses surrounding him, no question about it.. These guys obviously know what they're doing and I'm so appreciate and grateful for what they've done...100% agree with the two big moves we made this off-season -- the Bridges trade and bringing back OG. Both had to be done...But now turning our attention to suring up the middle, none of these trade ideas we've been linked to felt real or seemed even remotely feasible. Doesn't mean that you don't stop working the phones.. My thing though -- why not go out and sign Jay Huff for insurance WHILE CONTINUING to work the phones?? With all the good that Rose and co. have done and continue to do, I feel like we missed an opportunity not signing Jay Huff here.

Here's my super real opinion of Hartenstein (and I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking this) -- did a nice job for us, probably better than Mitch pound for pound, but now that he got the type of money he did, I'm putting him on my overrated list. Like Mitch, he's a limited player in a lot of areas. Nice player, was useful and helpful, but not worth $87 M over 3 yrs. Come on, that's absurd.. I think you could make A VERY GOOD CASE how Jay Huff, with his size and skill set, could EASILY turn into an even better player than Hartenstein if given the same opportunities... Even a better overall player than Walker Kessler....And hey, even if I'm wrong about that, signing Huff to a minimal deal with much less expectation than I have for him would've been the right thing. I mean you know the Knicks know about this dude -- I bet if Huff's agent was smart, knowing the Knicks sudden derth of options in the middle, he probably reached out to the Knicks himself, in a 'hey, what about my guy?' way. I know i would've if I were Huff's agent.. I mean say that happened, what did Leon say to him, 'no thanks'??????

I see a huge missed opportunity not getting Huff -- We should've signed this man to a two-way deal while we continue exploring these pie-in-the-sky trades ideas of a C... I mean what's the latest rumor now that made me laugh? A trade for DeAndre Ayton? LOL Ok... I mean come on, please... But no, I have to read that he went to Memphis, a team whose 5 spot was already a strength... smh

Jay Huff was clearly the way to go but under the bridge now.. My 2nd choice going back weeks now in Omer Yurtseven. He's still out there... Maybe we gobble him up now before he's gone too.

Agree really strongly with this.

iShart went from underrated to now fairly overrated. There are other players who can do what he does. It just seemed magical because Mitch can't do dick but dunk.

Really agree that the FO dropped the ball, BIG TIME, with a guy like Huff, or drafting a big, not some crappy project big with the 58th pick either.

This FO is good, but occasionally they get cute and it bites them in the ass. This is one of those times.

[8516knicks]

Willy Herzanagomez anyone? He had 14 in the Olympics first game.

[thebuzzardman]

Willy Herzanagomez anyone? He had 14 in the Olympics first game.

He has an agreement in place to dangle from KP's nutsack in Boston

[Moose]

Honestly, I would've been fine with Jay Huff. ECSTATIC even.. I mean what was wrong with this guy? He would've been PERFECT.

So let me get this straight -- Memphis, who already had Jaren Jackson Jr. and drafted Zach Edey, just signed Huff to a 2-way deal... They even cut Trey Jemison to make room for him, a guy I think you could make a good case for that he's better than Jericho Sims...

Meanwhile over here, Hartenstein bolts on us (happy for him but I'm glad we didn't pay that kind of money to keep him -- let OKC have him for that amount), all of these trade ideas for a legit C have gone nowhere, we still have a huge need in the middle (Mitch ain't even that good, far from a complete player and I feel like we'll be lucky to get 30 games out of him and Jericho Sims isn't even an NBA player), and we show no interest in a guy like Jay Huff???

Listen, I've come to respect Leon Rose and all the geniuses surrounding him, no question about it.. These guys obviously know what they're doing and I'm so appreciate and grateful for what they've done...100% agree with the two big moves we made this off-season -- the Bridges trade and bringing back OG. Both had to be done...But now turning our attention to suring up the middle, none of these trade ideas we've been linked to felt real or seemed even remotely feasible. Doesn't mean that you don't stop working the phones.. My thing though -- why not go out and sign Jay Huff for insurance WHILE CONTINUING to work the phones?? With all the good that Rose and co. have done and continue to do, I feel like we missed an opportunity not signing Jay Huff here.

Here's my super real opinion of Hartenstein (and I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking this) -- did a nice job for us, probably better than Mitch pound for pound, but now that he got the type of money he did, I'm putting him on my overrated list. Like Mitch, he's a limited player in a lot of areas. Nice player, was useful and helpful, but not worth $87 M over 3 yrs. Come on, that's absurd.. I think you could make A VERY GOOD CASE how Jay Huff, with his size and skill set, could EASILY turn into an even better player than Hartenstein if given the same opportunities... Even a better overall player than Walker Kessler....And hey, even if I'm wrong about that, signing Huff to a minimal deal with much less expectation than I have for him would've been the right thing. I mean you know the Knicks know about this dude -- I bet if Huff's agent was smart, knowing the Knicks sudden derth of options in the middle, he probably reached out to the Knicks himself, in a 'hey, what about my guy?' way. I know i would've if I were Huff's agent.. I mean say that happened, what did Leon say to him, 'no thanks'??????

I see a huge missed opportunity not getting Huff -- We should've signed this man to a two-way deal while we continue exploring these pie-in-the-sky trades ideas of a C... I mean what's the latest rumor now that made me laugh? A trade for DeAndre Ayton? LOL Ok... I mean come on, please... But no, I have to read that he went to Memphis, a team whose 5 spot was already a strength... smh

Jay Huff was clearly the way to go but under the bridge now.. My 2nd choice going back weeks now in Omer Yurtseven. He's still out there... Maybe we gobble him up now before he's gone too.

Agree really strongly with this.

iShart went from underrated to now fairly overrated. There are other players who can do what he does. It just seemed magical because Mitch can't do dick but dunk.

Really agree that the FO dropped the ball, BIG TIME, with a guy like Huff, or drafting a big, not some crappy project big with the 58th pick either.

This FO is good, but occasionally they get cute and it bites them in the ass. This is one of those times.

To be fair, we don't really know if it's going to bite them in the ass yet.

They may run Mitch/Precious/Randle out of the 5 spot then make whatever the required move is at the deadline.

I would love a legit backup center who can also start (Kessler?), but maybe the market isn't where it needs to be right now.

[3toheadmelo]

Was KAT ever on American dad thoo???

Read on Twitter

[WargamesX]

Was KAT ever on American dad thoo???

Read on Twitter

They couldn’t even animate him?

[spree2kawhi]

Trading for KAT = trading for Bargnani

Towns‘s career averages:

22.9 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 52.4 FG%, 39.8 3P%


Since some of y’all only look at the big stats anyway, compare that to


Blake Griffin
19, 8, 49 FG%, 33 3P%

Chris Bosh
19, 9, 49 FG%, 34 3P%

Amar‘e
19, 8, 54 FG%, 24 3P%

Julius Randle
19, 9, 47 FG%, 33 3P%

Carmelo Anthony
22, 6, 44 FG%, 36 3P%

…

Bbbbbut Bosh was a proven winner and KAT is really soft

this isn't a fair comp due to everyone you listed (other than randle) is retired - so their later years lowered their stats.
not disagreeing with the point you're trying to make - but Kat has played 9 seasons, so you should comp to those players first 9 seasons.

Yeah I was just too lazy and only playing around. Odds are his 23 and 11 hold up just well enough though. I’m not even a fan, but he is good.

[KnixinSix]

trading for ayton == trading for eddy curry

Trading for KAT = trading for Bargnani

Towns‘s career averages:

22.9 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 52.4 FG%, 39.8 3P%


Since some of y’all only look at the big stats anyway, compare that to


Blake Griffin
19, 8, 49 FG%, 33 3P%

Chris Bosh
19, 9, 49 FG%, 34 3P%

Amar‘e
19, 8, 54 FG%, 24 3P%

Julius Randle
19, 9, 47 FG%, 33 3P%

Carmelo Anthony
22, 6, 44 FG%, 36 3P%

…

Bbbbbut Bosh was a proven winner and KAT is really soft

You know I would totally get if we were talking about trading BRUNSON here for KAT. But even though I am a fan of Randle I also recognize he is a flawed player. To me Randle and KAT are both very talented but both have some risk associated with them. But I think KATs has a potential to be a better fit on this current team than Randle. Further Randles next contract will likely be larger than KATs current contract.

Unless Randle is willing to extend for reasonable dollars give me KAT over Randle.