The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[lilfishi22]

Amazing signing

66 games last season with the Wiz, he averaged 7 assists on ONE.....ONE turnover a game. So in those almost 2000 min played, he dropped 485 dimes and only turned it over 66 times. This is a guy with a career 5.4 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. Also a fantastic shooter and has been pretty healthy throughout his career. Just a solid solid PG

Both Tyus and Monte are two of the best in the league in terms of taking care off the ball. Last year, that was one of our biggest deficits. Hell, we could barely get the ball past mid court against the Wolves.

Huge wins IMO.

My expectation is that the trade deadline will be used to address size issues. Probably an unpopular opinion but I'm all for using the 2031 pick at this point to upgrade the C position. Our window is limited and there's a good chance our PGs will cash in next off-season with the highest bidder.

The size at the wings need to be addressed now. Literally everybody in the west small forward is like 6”8. Meanwhile we’re trouting out 6’4 Allen & Booker to guard them and get cooked.

Like who's actually a problem in the West with good size on the wings? Lakers with Bron? Dallas with Luka, Pels with BI, Clippers with Kawhi, OKC with JDub...those are the guys I think pose real issues but the drop off from there isn't small. The next tier of dudes are your Trey Murphy/Herb Jones, Wiggins, Sochan, Keegan Murray, MPJ....these dudes COULD get hot and have a good game but you're not getting a Luka or Lebron stopper anyway so I think our dudes can pose just as much problems for them then they do for us

[RaisingArizona]

This is huge

[Mulhollanddrive]

Jones - Holiday
Booker - Middleton
O'Neale - Tucker
Durant - Giannis
Nurkic - Lopez

Easy for Budenholzer

and Morris, Beal, Allen, Bol, Plumlee the best bench in the NBA

[garrick]

Surprising that he didn't get a better offer elsewhere for like the MLE.

Ishbia must have promised him like a multiyear extension after this season if he just takes the minimum for a year.

Anyway it's good that we finally got 2 decent PGs and we can finally kill the no PG experiment for good.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Jones 30
Booker 34
O'Neale 19
Durant 32
Nurkic 28

Morris 18
Beal 29
Allen 14
Bol 16
Plumlee 20

Minutes breakdown

(I'm still not sure how James Jones escaped a failed coach and no PG system though)

Budenholzer will play drop coverage with Nurkic and Plumlee and have Jones and Morris chase around screens, that system needs to work to elevate our defense on paper.

[lilfishi22]

Surprising that he didn't get a better offer elsewhere for like the MLE.

Ishbia must have promised him like a multiyear extension after this season if he just takes the minimum for a year.

Anyway it's good that we finally got 2 decent PGs and we can finally kill the no PG experiment for good.

We can't though. No cap space to do that. He'll need to be on the min for another season after this to be eligible

[Revived]

Holy **** okay this is actually a great fcking move. This is the best move the Suns have made in the past 3 years…the best move they’ve made since trading for CP3 imo.

Wow Tyus Jones?? Holy ****.

[Blonde]

Grayson has a cap hit of 15.625M next season. That is the exact same number as Deni Advija… I wish we could have pounced on that before Portland just gave up a lot for him, but maybe Grayson + our 2031 would be enticing for them. Other players in that salary range include PJ Washington, DFS, Okongwu, and Grant Williams. I’m not sure any of them move the needle enough to justify trading Grayson but it would definitely balance out the roster.

[Blonde]

I feel like Jones + Oso will have great chemistry similar to Kolek + Oso in the NCAA.

[Slim Charless]

Amazing signing

66 games last season with the Wiz, he averaged 7 assists on ONE.....ONE turnover a game. So in those almost 2000 min played, he dropped 485 dimes and only turned it over 66 times. This is a guy with a career 5.4 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. Also a fantastic shooter and has been pretty healthy throughout his career. Just a solid solid PG

Both Tyus and Monte are two of the best in the league in terms of taking care off the ball. Last year, that was one of our biggest deficits. Hell, we could barely get the ball past mid court against the Wolves.

Huge wins IMO.

My expectation is that the trade deadline will be used to address size issues. Probably an unpopular opinion but I'm all for using the 2031 pick at this point to upgrade the C position. Our window is limited and there's a good chance our PGs will cash in next off-season with the highest bidder.

The size at the wings need to be addressed now. Literally everybody in the west small forward is like 6”8. Meanwhile we’re trouting out 6’4 Allen & Booker to guard them and get cooked.

That's why we took Dunn.

[garrick]

Surprising that he didn't get a better offer elsewhere for like the MLE.

Ishbia must have promised him like a multiyear extension after this season if he just takes the minimum for a year.

Anyway it's good that we finally got 2 decent PGs and we can finally kill the no PG experiment for good.

We can't though. No cap space to do that. He'll need to be on the min for another season after this to be eligible

Oh shame about that.

In that case it could just be a 1 year stint because I don't think he would play two years at a minimum contract but hopefully a miracle can happen.

[sunsbg]

Nurk's playmaking becomes less and less important with a real PG on the team now. As much as I liked him early last season, he was bad later in the season. It only makes sense to shop him for youth and defense. With him, Okogie and Little FO has options to make adjustments at trade deadline like Mavs did last season.

[Slim Charless]

Nurk's playmaking becomes less and less important with a real PG on the team now. As much as I liked him early last season, he was bad later in the season. It only makes sense to shop him for youth and defense. With him, Okogie and Little FO has options to make adjustments at trade deadline like Mavs did last season.

I'd love to move him to cap space team for picks. Even seconds would be fine. Achiuwa works very well for us IMO. He's available I think still. Sign him off the street and LFG!!

[sunskerr]

Nurk's playmaking becomes less and less important with a real PG on the team now. As much as I liked him early last season, he was bad later in the season. It only makes sense to shop him for youth and defense. With him, Okogie and Little FO has options to make adjustments at trade deadline like Mavs did last season.

I'd love to move him to cap space team for picks. Even seconds would be fine. Achiuwa works very well for us IMO. He's available I think still. Sign him off the street and LFG!!

Nurkic was extremely valuable in helping us through the regular season. He is a great rebounder and is great in drop coverage defense - a lot better than Plumlee in that regard (in fact last year he was a better player than Ayton, surprisingly...?). Unless there's an upgrade you'd want to keep Nurkic to actually make the playoffs in the first place.

He blows in the playoffs though which is why I agree about Achiuwa who would be a great pickup. The catch is that Achiuwa is like 6'9" tops and is simply not as good in drop/defensive positioning as Nurkic. It would be ideal to have Nurkic pull us through the regular season, and then boost Achiuwa's minutes in the playoffs when Nurkic is being targeted. I actually don't rate Plumlee at all except that he is better than Eubanks.

[Iceman36]

Man, three days off and we get f*cking Tyus Jones! Great move and fix of our biggest issue.

[Bogyo]

Surprising that he didn't get a better offer elsewhere for like the MLE.

Ishbia must have promised him like a multiyear extension after this season if he just takes the minimum for a year.

Anyway it's good that we finally got 2 decent PGs and we can finally kill the no PG experiment for good.

Actually, its not. He just got the short end of the stick this year, or fell through the cracks as Oubre last year. Each year there is at least one guy like that. I've been beating this drum for a couple years now, glad someone finally listened.
With the talen we have now, it can be more like 2. As others pointed out Precious is still out there - if we had the roster spot I think he'd be relatively easy to convince to join us by now... We do not have a good PF starter or bench, or a physical, quick center, and our center options usually miss 10-15 games a season. He could have a good role here, as the first big off the bench, and maybe even start a handfull of games, make a deep playoff run...
Too bad our roster is full - maybe Utah could take Little into cap space so they reach the minimum salary?

[Bogyo]

Nurk's playmaking becomes less and less important with a real PG on the team now. As much as I liked him early last season, he was bad later in the season. It only makes sense to shop him for youth and defense. With him, Okogie and Little FO has options to make adjustments at trade deadline like Mavs did last season.

The thing is: they are not very valuable, b/c of their contributions (or lack of), so they will not bring back anybody really valuable I think - unless we attach the 2031 pick, and even then its slip pickings with those contracts that they have. Furthermore, if we trade Nurkic we HAVE TO bring back a C - and who would swap a better center than Nurkic for Nurkic+2031 pick - and that theoretical guy would have to have Nurks salary or less. I think that does not exist.
I think if we are very lucky we can make a fringe move with the salary of Little or Okogie, but even thats unlikely.

With that said, I think we have to look into trading Allen (who was one of my favourites last year ). He is a highly coveted role player, hits 3s like its nobodys business, can defend a little, seems to be a good team guy, has a very reasonable contract, and plays guard - which is the most overcrowded spot on our roster. I think the Magic would be more than willing to part with WCJ and a first for him. We could call Minnesota about Naz and a pick...there are options for sure.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Nurkic had our best +/- he is huge now for Jones pick and roll.

He gets into the paint and can find Booker, Durant, Beal, Allen for 3 at 40%.

Budenholzer plays drop coverage which is why we got Plumlee. Jones and Morris size is an advantage to chase over screens in that system.

Our structure is perfectly set now, could upgrade defensive talent.

Jones, Booker, O'Neale, Durant, Nurkic
Morris, Beal, Allen, Bol, Plumlee

Really love that balance

[Bogyo]

Nurkic had our best +/- he is huge now for Jones pick and roll.

He gets into the paint and can find Booker, Durant, Beal, Allen for 3 at 40%.

Budenholzer plays drop coverage which is why we got Plumlee. Jones and Morris size is an advantage to chase over screens in that system.

Our structure is perfectly set now, could upgrade defensive talent.

Jones, Booker, O'Neale, Durant, Nurkic
Morris, Beal, Allen, Bol, Plumlee

Really love that balance

Yep, much better than last year for sure, but I think we still (desperatley?) need some kind of upgrade at "big". I know what Nurk brings to the table and I like it, but I see the flaws. Same for Plumlee - age will be a factor there too. Both can easily get injured in this point of their carreers. I like Bol too, and I hope he can develop a little more, but I don't think is is the answer on a contender - if we are one. We have to make some kind of move on this - I think that could be the missing piece... Even if we trade Allen for a similar overall player (maybe even a lesser player and a pick?) who brings more of this balance to the team could be crucial when its all said and done. Makes too much sense. Allen for WCJ+Da Silva (who looks like a Oubre-lite type player as of now) works...

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Thoughts from PHNX on the great under the radar signing of Tyus Jones for the Suns. The front office is making many very impressive moves to get us on track! And should get their flowers for doing so after so much previous disappointing decisions and outcomes.