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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#141 » by younggunsmn » Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:43 am

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KGdaBom wrote:Was Tyus' contract for $3.3M vet minimum? He should have came here for a ring.


LOL.

A.) Why would you ever give up a starting gig to play backup, esp if you're giving up money in another situation to play for a starting spot. He wants starter money he has a shot to prove it next year on the Suns.

B.) We're not guaranteed to win a ring.

He picked the best move for his career unquestionably given the circumstances at the moment.


He's definitely betting on himself.
If he was going to take the vet minimum, he picked the right team to go to, although I don't think he gets the touches he did in Washington, he's playing with 3 guys with very sticky fingers.
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#142 » by Saltine » Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:47 am

Touch grass my ass. Both of you guys just come across as deranged merchants of negativity.

We have no minutes outside the top 10 players. Nobody that is a quality PG is coming here for the minimum with no minutes available, Tyus or otherwise. PJ and Nix will have to do. That's life. :)
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#143 » by cmoss84 » Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:49 am

Prepare to have your minds blown. I've found the best backup PG in the league (unless you count Paul George).
Mike Conley.
Start RD immediately. Just tell him to concentrate on ball handling and passing. He'd be like the Rudy version for point guards.
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#144 » by shrink » Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:55 am

Note30 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Was Tyus' contract for $3.3M vet minimum? He should have came here for a ring.


LOL.

A.) Why would you ever give up a starting gig to play backup, esp if you're giving up money in another situation to play for a starting spot. He wants starter money he has a shot to prove it next year on the Suns.

B.) We're not guaranteed to win a ring.

He picked the best move for his career unquestionably given the circumstances at the moment.

I’m disappointed.

I understand the starting PG argument, but Tyus has proven for the last year and a half that he’s a starter. The grizzlies actually had a better record with Tyus than when Ja wasn’t suspended. Last year was his best season, and it came as a starter. I think Tyus would have gotten plenty of minutes in MIN, and we have a better chance to win a ring than shallow PHX. Moreover, other teams would understand playing a season in MIN with his close ties here, regardless of how many games he officially started.
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#145 » by Note30 » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:47 am

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Note30 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Was Tyus' contract for $3.3M vet minimum? He should have came here for a ring.


LOL.

A.) Why would you ever give up a starting gig to play backup, esp if you're giving up money in another situation to play for a starting spot. He wants starter money he has a shot to prove it next year on the Suns.

B.) We're not guaranteed to win a ring.

He picked the best move for his career unquestionably given the circumstances at the moment.

I’m disappointed.

I understand the starting PG argument, but Tyus has proven for the last year and a half that he’s a starter. The grizzlies actually had a better record with Tyus than when Ja wasn’t suspended. Last year was his best season, and it came as a starter. I think Tyus would have gotten plenty of minutes in MIN, and we have a better chance to win a ring than shallow PHX. Moreover, other teams would understand playing a season in MIN with his close ties here, regardless of how many games he officially started.


He hasn't proven he's a starter on anything other than a garbage team. If he wants the bag he has to prove that especially considering he's a smaller player.
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#146 » by Domejandro » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:54 am

cmoss84 wrote:Prepare to have your minds blown. I've found the best backup PG in the league (unless you count Paul George).
Mike Conley.
Start RD immediately. Just tell him to concentrate on ball handling and passing. He'd be like the Rudy version for point guards.

Respectfully, that sounds like an awesome strategy if you want to lose games!
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#147 » by Note30 » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:55 am

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Note30 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Was Tyus' contract for $3.3M vet minimum? He should have came here for a ring.


LOL.

A.) Why would you ever give up a starting gig to play backup, esp if you're giving up money in another situation to play for a starting spot. He wants starter money he has a shot to prove it next year on the Suns.

B.) We're not guaranteed to win a ring.

He picked the best move for his career unquestionably given the circumstances at the moment.


He's definitely betting on himself.
If he was going to take the vet minimum, he picked the right team to go to, although I don't think he gets the touches he did in Washington, he's playing with 3 guys with very sticky fingers.


Itll definitely let a lot of teams know he's perfect for their team as well if he can seamlessly merge with those three, although with this Id be surprised if Beal doesn't get benched.

I'd probably start Jones, Booker, (Allen or ONeale depending on the matchup), KD, Jusuf. Have Beal, Morris, one of Allen, ONeale) off the bench. They honestly just need a strong backup big and they will be much more deadly than what we saw in this past playoff series.

If they can nab Achiuwa they would have the balance they were missing last year, could run more of their guys evenly play with defensive lineups better.
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#148 » by cmoss84 » Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:34 am

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cmoss84 wrote:Prepare to have your minds blown. I've found the best backup PG in the league (unless you count Paul George).
Mike Conley.
Start RD immediately. Just tell him to concentrate on ball handling and passing. He'd be like the Rudy version for point guards.

Respectfully, that sounds like an awesome strategy if you want to lose games!


I'm sure you are absolutely correct.
But to me...it's a trade off of 2-3 playoff positions for 2-3 years of player development.
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#149 » by minimus » Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:11 am

My biggest take is that MIN biggest improvement this season won't come from PG position, but wing position. TSJ, Ingles and McDaniels all three have different skillet. Ingles has experienc, shooting, passing AND chemistry with Gobert and Conley. TSJ has speed, quickness and physicality. McDaniels has incredible length, elite PoA defense and untapped potential as scorer. Moreover, I believe that both TSJ and McDaniels are ready for bigger role.

Depth at wing position, plus overall continuity (GM, coaching staff, core players) might not sound sexy and it is different to estimate, but it does matter when it comes to steady, consistent development of this group
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#150 » by winforlose » Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:29 pm

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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#151 » by Klomp » Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:13 pm

younggunsmn wrote:All I'm saying is hey, it might be wise to have some contingency plans for those guys somewhere in the last couple of roster spots.
I mean this is the franchise that had its one shot at a title taken out 20 years ago because it ran out of PGs after its aging starter got injured.

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cmoss84 wrote:Prepare to have your minds blown. I've found the best backup PG in the league (unless you count Paul George).
Mike Conley.
Start RD immediately. Just tell him to concentrate on ball handling and passing. He'd be like the Rudy version for point guards.

Respectfully, that sounds like an awesome strategy if you want to lose games!

While I understand why this belief exists, I don't agree with it.

We don't need a high-usage ballhandler. Conley had the fourth-highest usage among the rotation guys last year (16.0), less than one percent higher than Rudy Gobert. It's a far cry from 2003-04, when Cassell's usage was second on the team (27.2). It's just not what Finch's system requires.
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#152 » by TimberKat » Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:41 pm

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younggunsmn wrote:All I'm saying is hey, it might be wise to have some contingency plans for those guys somewhere in the last couple of roster spots.
I mean this is the franchise that had its one shot at a title taken out 20 years ago because it ran out of PGs after its aging starter got injured.

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cmoss84 wrote:Prepare to have your minds blown. I've found the best backup PG in the league (unless you count Paul George).
Mike Conley.
Start RD immediately. Just tell him to concentrate on ball handling and passing. He'd be like the Rudy version for point guards.

Respectfully, that sounds like an awesome strategy if you want to lose games!

While I understand why this belief exists, I don't agree with it.

We don't need a high-usage ballhandler. Conley had the fourth-highest usage among the rotation guys last year (16.0), less than one percent higher than Rudy Gobert. It's a far cry from 2003-04, when Cassell's usage was second on the team (27.2). It's just not what Finch's system requires.

I actually think Finch's system requires a high IQ facilitator. That is why a 36 year old play so much and DLo doesn't work. That is why KA get time on the court. That is why he kept asking to push pace because we are inconsistent in half court. Those five out Ant with ball plays gets old quick. Teams keep finding ways to defend it.
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#153 » by Klomp » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:06 pm

TimberKat wrote:I actually think Finch's system requires a high IQ facilitator. That is why a 36 year old play so much and DLo doesn't work. That is why KA get time on the court. That is why he kept asking to push pace because we are inconsistent in half court. Those five out Ant with ball plays gets old quick. Teams keep finding ways to defend it.

The difference between Mike and 'Lo is Mike doesn't sulk when he doesn't get the ball.
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#154 » by shrink » Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:46 pm

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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#155 » by minimus » Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:13 pm

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Post#156 » by Klomp » Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:36 pm

minimus wrote:Poor Monte Morris

While true, Monte never had the upside to be a starter on that team. They almost certainly would have started the same five.

Tyus seems to be in line for a starting spot. That's the biggest separator between their offer and our offer. Our biggest draw was coming home, but he's also already done that in his career, so I don't blame him for going elsewhere.

That being said, I don't think this signing jumps the Suns' win projection that much in my mind. And he is someone who can be targeted on defense in the playoffs.
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#157 » by shrink » Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:19 pm

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minimus wrote:Poor Monte Morris

While true, Monte never had the upside to be a starter on that team. They almost certainly would have started the same five.

Tyus seems to be in line for a starting spot. That's the biggest separator between their offer and our offer. Our biggest draw was coming home, but he's also already done that in his career, so I don't blame him for going elsewhere.

That being said, I don't think this signing jumps the Suns' win projection that much in my mind. And he is someone who can be targeted on defense in the playoffs.

I suspect if Tyus signed before Morris, Monte might have just stayed here.

I understand he wouldn’t start here, but he’d get a lot more minutes behind Mike Conley than Tyus.

Bad work by both agents.
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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#158 » by shrink » Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:55 pm

John Wall is apparently trying to make a comeback. He’s close to Dillingham.

Wall has been a mentor for Minnesota's first-round pick since seventh grade. As a native of Raleigh, North Carolina, they have a lot in common, as Dillingham grew up in the same state. The connection continued to college with both attending Kentucky to play for John Calipari.

"I have known Rob since seventh grade, when he was in seventh grade in North Carolina he played for Jeff McInnis' high school team combine," Wall said on the broadcast Sunday. "I told him, same situation as last year, he's a scorer, but now they want him to be a point guard."

Earlier this offseason in hopes of making a comeback to the NBA, Wall said that he is open to taking a lesser role. He compared it to Udonis Haslem with the Miami Heat.
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Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#159 » by minimus » Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:20 am

We still can sign Dennis Smith Jr. for vetmin. Fits right away as elite PoA defender

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Re: Who do we get as a reserve PG? 

Post#160 » by minimus » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:24 am

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We should have given this dude a roster spot.


Can he defend and hit open 3pt shots?

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