The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Saberestar]

Frank Vogel -> Mike Budenholzer

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Isaiah Thomas -> Monte Morris
Eric Gordon ->Tyus Jones
David Roddy -> Ryan Dunn
Thad Young -> Oso Ighodaro
Drew Eubanks -> Mason Plumlee

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Saben Lee -> Collin Gillespie
Ish Wainright -> Jalen Bridges
Udoka Azubuike -> ?

[garrick]

Surprising that he didn't get a better offer elsewhere for like the MLE.

Ishbia must have promised him like a multiyear extension after this season if he just takes the minimum for a year.

Anyway it's good that we finally got 2 decent PGs and we can finally kill the no PG experiment for good.

Actually, its not. He just got the short end of the stick this year, or fell through the cracks as Oubre last year. Each year there is at least one guy like that. I've been beating this drum for a couple years now, glad someone finally listened.
With the talen we have now, it can be more like 2. As others pointed out Precious is still out there - if we had the roster spot I think he'd be relatively easy to convince to join us by now... We do not have a good PF starter or bench, or a physical, quick center, and our center options usually miss 10-15 games a season. He could have a good role here, as the first big off the bench, and maybe even start a handfull of games, make a deep playoff run...
Too bad our roster is full - maybe Utah could take Little into cap space so they reach the minimum salary?

Kind of makes the Okogie signing unwise in retrospect because our roster is full unless we release Jalen Bridges which we would be unwise to do.

[Saberestar]

Surprising that he didn't get a better offer elsewhere for like the MLE.

Ishbia must have promised him like a multiyear extension after this season if he just takes the minimum for a year.

Anyway it's good that we finally got 2 decent PGs and we can finally kill the no PG experiment for good.

Actually, its not. He just got the short end of the stick this year, or fell through the cracks as Oubre last year. Each year there is at least one guy like that. I've been beating this drum for a couple years now, glad someone finally listened.
With the talen we have now, it can be more like 2. As others pointed out Precious is still out there - if we had the roster spot I think he'd be relatively easy to convince to join us by now... We do not have a good PF starter or bench, or a physical, quick center, and our center options usually miss 10-15 games a season. He could have a good role here, as the first big off the bench, and maybe even start a handfull of games, make a deep playoff run...
Too bad our roster is full - maybe Utah could take Little into cap space so they reach the minimum salary?

Kind of makes the Okogie signing unwise in retrospect because our roster is full unless we release Jalen Bridges which we would be unwise to do.

Jalen Bridges and Gillespie have two-way contracts. They aren't on the 15-man roster.

[garrick]

Actually, its not. He just got the short end of the stick this year, or fell through the cracks as Oubre last year. Each year there is at least one guy like that. I've been beating this drum for a couple years now, glad someone finally listened.
With the talen we have now, it can be more like 2. As others pointed out Precious is still out there - if we had the roster spot I think he'd be relatively easy to convince to join us by now... We do not have a good PF starter or bench, or a physical, quick center, and our center options usually miss 10-15 games a season. He could have a good role here, as the first big off the bench, and maybe even start a handfull of games, make a deep playoff run...
Too bad our roster is full - maybe Utah could take Little into cap space so they reach the minimum salary?

Kind of makes the Okogie signing unwise in retrospect because our roster is full unless we release Jalen Bridges which we would be unwise to do.

Jalen Bridges and Gillespie have two-way contracts. They aren't on the 15-man roster.

Good point.

Maybe EJ Liddell or D.Lee?

[Saberestar]

Kind of makes the Okogie signing unwise in retrospect because our roster is full unless we release Jalen Bridges which we would be unwise to do.

Jalen Bridges and Gillespie have two-way contracts. They aren't on the 15-man roster.

Good point.

Maybe EJ Liddell or D.Lee?

We are already counting on Liddell being waived, cut or traded to a team absorbing his salary...but the FO need to do it to be able to sign Tyus.

I doubt they make another move to clear a roster spot. The 15-man roster is set but they can add another 2-way player.

[Bogyo]

Jalen Bridges and Gillespie have two-way contracts. They aren't on the 15-man roster.

Good point.

Maybe EJ Liddell or D.Lee?

We are already counting on Liddell being waived, cut or traded to a team absorbing his salary...but the FO need to do it to be able to sign Tyus.

I doubt they make another move to clear a roster spot. The 15-man roster is set but they can add another 2-way player.

And thats just not very smart front-officeing,no matter how you slice it. You have The Okogies and Lee's taking up roster spots and money on a contender (?) while Precious and other better players are sitting on the sidelines waiting for a vet min contract...

[Bogyo]

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Thoughts from PHNX on the great under the radar signing of Tyus Jones for the Suns. The front office is making many very impressive moves to get us on track! And should get their flowers for doing so after so much previous disappointing decisions and outcomes.

Really? Not in my book. If you do the most logical thing (that everybody and their grandmother was SCREAMING for quite a while) in your job, then are you really supposed to get your "flowers"? I dont think so, and I dont get it... like when he brought in Rubio and everyone was claiming he was a genious... That was the move everyone saw, wanted, the team needed it, the players involved needed it, the coaches needed it, basically it was the most simple, logical move ever... Is he a genious for that? I dont think so - plus he started fkg up the assets of the team there with the TJ giveaway... So no, no flowers from me. I happily acknowledge the fact that he did something very logical (for once), and did not manage to fk it up some other way.

[Saberestar]

Good point.

Maybe EJ Liddell or D.Lee?

We are already counting on Liddell being waived, cut or traded to a team absorbing his salary...but the FO need to do it to be able to sign Tyus.

I doubt they make another move to clear a roster spot. The 15-man roster is set but they can add another 2-way player.

And thats just not very smart front-officeing,no matter how you slice it. You have The Okogies and Lee's taking up roster spots and money on a contender (?) while Precious and other better players are sitting on the sidelines waiting for a vet min contract...

Damion Lee and Okogie as a third stringers are really good players to have on any contender.

[Jesus_H_Macy]

Dude, Tyus Jones!! YFY. How the hell did we pull that off? No one wanted to sign him for more than the min? Giddy up. We might have a sliver of a chance now, at least enough for me to pull the orange shades out of the dumpster

[bigfoot]

I think the Suns can carry up to 20 players on the roster until the season starts. No need to drop Liddell quite yet to sign Jones.

The Suns front office still has time to move Little and/or Liddell.

[Bogyo]

We are already counting on Liddell being waived, cut or traded to a team absorbing his salary...but the FO need to do it to be able to sign Tyus.

I doubt they make another move to clear a roster spot. The 15-man roster is set but they can add another 2-way player.

And thats just not very smart front-officeing,no matter how you slice it. You have The Okogies and Lee's taking up roster spots and money on a contender (?) while Precious and other better players are sitting on the sidelines waiting for a vet min contract...

Damion Lee and Okogie as a third stringers are really good players to have on any contender.

Unless there are better players out there waiting for a minimum contract. Precious, Cedi Osman, Okoro, Covington are still unsigned iirc. Not only are they better basketball players overall than Okogie and Lee, but they would fit our team needs better as well, becouse we still don't have a PF or an athletic, reliable big.

[sunsbg]

We are watching the show of Kevin Durant said the announcer. First thing I saw when I started watching was scary push that sent him to the score keepers table, but he's been on fire in first half. 8/8 and 4/4 on 3s. The game vs Serbia still competitive after 1st half.

[RaisingArizona]

Holy **** Durant is carrying team USA

[Slim Charless]

Nurk's playmaking becomes less and less important with a real PG on the team now. As much as I liked him early last season, he was bad later in the season. It only makes sense to shop him for youth and defense. With him, Okogie and Little FO has options to make adjustments at trade deadline like Mavs did last season.

I'd love to move him to cap space team for picks. Even seconds would be fine. Achiuwa works very well for us IMO. He's available I think still. Sign him off the street and LFG!!

Nurkic was extremely valuable in helping us through the regular season. He is a great rebounder and is great in drop coverage defense - a lot better than Plumlee in that regard (in fact last year he was a better player than Ayton, surprisingly...?). Unless there's an upgrade you'd want to keep Nurkic to actually make the playoffs in the first place.

He blows in the playoffs though which is why I agree about Achiuwa who would be a great pickup. The catch is that Achiuwa is like 6'9" tops and is simply not as good in drop/defensive positioning as Nurkic. It would be ideal to have Nurkic pull us through the regular season, and then boost Achiuwa's minutes in the playoffs when Nurkic is being targeted. I actually don't rate Plumlee at all except that he is better than Eubanks.

Well someone mentioned WCJ, if possible that's a great move too. How to get him would be the key. I guess the dream for all of us is Beal, but that won't happen. I think an alternative would be Beal coming off the bench for us which in turn makes Grayson available. Him for WCJ? Magic do need shooting. Then trade Nurk for picks.

As to Achiuwa, I think in both Toronto and this Knicks team, they played better defense then the Suns with Nurk. As the backup big, he was part of that for both squads. Personally I think he can handle a starting spot and could step into Nurk's job. Now we don't know if he can play Bud's style in particular but we also don't know if Nurk can. I would prefer to error on the side of youth and athleticism and the cheaper player. To say nothing of the picks Nurk could get us

Problem is this late in the season, there's just not as many teams that need C yet. All of this would have to wait till the smoke clears a bit.

[Slim Charless]

Nurk's playmaking becomes less and less important with a real PG on the team now. As much as I liked him early last season, he was bad later in the season. It only makes sense to shop him for youth and defense. With him, Okogie and Little FO has options to make adjustments at trade deadline like Mavs did last season.

The thing is: they are not very valuable, b/c of their contributions (or lack of), so they will not bring back anybody really valuable I think - unless we attach the 2031 pick, and even then its slip pickings with those contracts that they have. Furthermore, if we trade Nurkic we HAVE TO bring back a C - and who would swap a better center than Nurkic for Nurkic+2031 pick - and that theoretical guy would have to have Nurks salary or less. I think that does not exist.
I think if we are very lucky we can make a fringe move with the salary of Little or Okogie, but even thats unlikely.

With that said, I think we have to look into trading Allen (who was one of my favourites last year ). He is a highly coveted role player, hits 3s like its nobodys business, can defend a little, seems to be a good team guy, has a very reasonable contract, and plays guard - which is the most overcrowded spot on our roster. I think the Magic would be more than willing to part with WCJ and a first for him. We could call Minnesota about Naz and a pick...there are options for sure.

Magic need shooting and WCJ had a rough year so I guess we can buy low on him. Getting a first on top of him for Grayson would be fantastic. Then turn around and move Nurk for more picks.

Like a dream scenario in my book.

[Fo-Real]

Jalen Bridges and Gillespie have two-way contracts. They aren't on the 15-man roster.

Good point.

Maybe EJ Liddell or D.Lee?

We are already counting on Liddell being waived, cut or traded to a team absorbing his salary...but the FO need to do it to be able to sign Tyus.

I doubt they make another move to clear a roster spot. The 15-man roster is set but they can add another 2-way player.

Lidell got waived Saturday morning.

[KdoubleDees23]

What team is realistic for a Beal Trade and waive his no trade clause?

Lakers?
Heat?
Knicks?
Memphis?
GSW?
Thunder?
Bulls?

[Fo-Real]

What team is realistic for a Beal Trade and waive his no trade clause?

Lakers?
Heat?
Knicks?
Memphis?
GSW?
Thunder?
Bulls?

All are a no to wanting him BUT Golden State does screwy stuff sometimes!

[sunsbg]

US game was a proof Booker and KD should focus more on shooting 3s than ISO/midrange after combining for 9/10.

[MrMiyagi]

US game was a proof Booker and KD should focus more on shooting 3s than ISO/midrange after combining for 9/10.

Eh, shorter 3 point line is basically a middy