2024 Olympic BASKETBALL Thread (Pt. 2: Let the Games Begin!)

AleksandarN · Post #1541 » by **AleksandarN** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:05 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Does Jokic ever dominate in FIBA/Olympic basketball?

He played great today.

Against this stacked US team

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Tor_Raps · Post #1542 » by **Tor_Raps** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:06 pm

California Gold wrote:24 people voted for Canada on this poll? The **** is wrong with people.

You'll see soon enough

Mamba81p · Post #1543 » by **Mamba81p** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:07 pm

durden_tyler wrote:
Mamba81p wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Oh... ok, sorry guys. That system makes sense, i thought it was complete random. That is way better

That said, i do not think USA should care who they draw anyway, but ok, there is a reason why they would care about plus minus.

Nobody is protected from random draw. There will be 4 pots
The best 2 first placed teams are in pot 1
The other first placed team and the best 2nd placed team in pot 2
The other second placed teams are in pot 3
3rd placed teams are in pot 4

With how strong group A is, playing a 3rd placed team is not necessarily a good thing, but it's worth a shot to go against the other 3rd placed team.

For Team USA it is important the 3rd team in their group doesn't get through, otherwise they are guaranteed to play to other 3rd placed team.

Can you provide scenarios please, it’s confusing but your specific pot descriptions make sense so thank you. It validates though that the pt differential matters because you don’t want to drop to tier/pots if you lost a tiebreak.

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If the current standings stay:
pot 1: USA, Germany
pot 2:Australia, France
pot 3: South Sudan, Canada
pot 4: Greece, Puerto Rico

USA cannot play Puerto Rico so they will play Greece
Germany vs Puerto Rico
Australia cannot play Canada so they play South Sudan.
France vs Canada

USA and Germany can only meet in the finals.

In this example there is no need for a draw because of the same group restrictions, but the draw will always determine the semis matchups

AleksandarN · Post #1544 » by **AleksandarN** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:07 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
He was 1 of 6 from three with 4 turnovers.

His first half was amazing, and he tried to bail out his team with few last second semi prayers that didnt hit. Second half the whole Serbian team looked bad.

But to answer your question, I would say Bogdan outshined Jokic in few FIBA tournaments.

I was looking forward to Jokic looking like the best player on planet Earth, but instead I seen the typical game he has against Joel Embiid.

Again what more can Jokic do? With him on the bench his lost by 26 pts in 9 minutes.

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SelfishPlayer · Post #1545 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:08 pm

AleksandarN wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Does Jokic ever dominate in FIBA/Olympic basketball?

He played great today.

Against this stacked US team

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Stop reposting that garbage. Durant came off of the bench.

Mephariel · Post #1546 » by **Mephariel** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:08 pm

chudak wrote:
Heat3 wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
I can’t imagine if SGA went on the record and said “I’d rather play for Canada but the US has a better chance of winning and I want to win”.

Embiid could have talked Siakam into playing and they would have made the Olympics. He had a great chance of changing his narrative, but here we are.

He’s a US citizen. Why is there any question about him playing for team USA? It’s a ridiculous narrative to criticize the guy for.

He said himself he wanted to play for Cameroon, than he commited to France and then just said he will do US because they are better.

No one is saying he cant chose USA as US citizen, but the bad sentiment is self inflicted

People can change their mind no? He is a US citizen. He ultimate chose to play for the US.

Sedale Threatt · Post #1547 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:08 pm

AleksandarN wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Does Jokic ever dominate in FIBA/Olympic basketball?

He played great today.

Against this stacked US team

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lol, minus-26 in 9 minutes is almost impossible to do. God damn.

UcanUwill · Post #1548 » by **UcanUwill** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:08 pm

Heat3 wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
chudak wrote:
Embiid was lucky he was traded by Cameroon to France and by France to USA.

I can’t imagine if SGA went on the record and said “I’d rather play for Canada but the US has a better chance of winning and I want to win”.

Embiid could have talked Siakam into playing and they would have made the Olympics. He had a great chance of changing his narrative, but here we are.

He’s a US citizen. Why is there any question about him playing for team USA? It’s a ridiculous narrative to criticize the guy for.

Well yeah, we all know he is US citizen. He is also citizen of Cameroon, and his decision is still incredibly disappointing...

ITYSL · Post #1549 » by **ITYSL** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:10 pm

Congrats to Tatum and Hali, they both played better than Embiid today

AleksandarN · Post #1550 » by **AleksandarN** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:11 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:
He played great today.

Against this stacked US team

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Stop reposting that garbage. Durant came off of the bench.

What does Durant have to do with how Jokic played? Also how is adding actual context to what we are discussing garbage?

reload141 · Post #1551 » by **reload141** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:12 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:
He played great today.

Against this stacked US team

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Stop reposting that garbage. Durant came off of the bench.

You really got no idea whatsoever. Stop posting, it’s pathetic.

durden_tyler · Post #1552 » by **durden_tyler** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:13 pm

Mamba81p wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:Top 2 are “protected” from random draw.

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Oh... ok, sorry guys. That system makes sense, i thought it was complete random. That is way better

That said, i do not think USA should care who they draw anyway, but ok, there is a reason why they would care about plus minus.

Nobody is protected from random draw. There will be 4 pots
The best 2 first placed teams are in pot 1
The other first placed team and the best 2nd placed team in pot 2
The other second placed teams are in pot 3
3rd placed teams are in pot 4

With how strong group A is, playing a 3rd placed team is not necessarily a good thing, but it's worth a shot to go against the other 3rd placed team.

For Team USA it is important the 3rd team in their group doesn't get through, otherwise they are guaranteed to play to other 3rd placed team.

Thanks again, i used protected too loosely, when i meant that the Top 2 teams are protected from drawing with each other (and same bracket)

Let’s run some scenarios here and see how the random draw can be lucky/unlucky for some teams:

From the official FIBA format explainer page:

“Pot D shall consist of the two-best-ranked teams, Pot E of the 3rd and 4th ranked teams, Pot F of the 5th and 6th ranked teams and Pot G of the 7th and 8th ranked teams.”

So assumptions and theoreticals but based on strength (and recent pt differentials)

Pot D: USA and France
Pot E: Canada and Germany
Pot F: Serbia and Greece
Pot G: Australia and South Sudan

“The teams from Pot D will be drawn against the teams from Pot G and the teams from Pot E will be drawn against the teams from Pot F.
Teams from the same group in the Group Phase cannot be drawn against each other in the Quarter-Finals.”

So
USA vs Australia
Canada vs Serbia

Germany vs Greece
France vs South Sudan

Thanks again for the added info, it really makes sense now, so while it’s random, the additional pot rules and not same group condition still makes it a bit fair.

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California Gold · Post #1553 » by **California Gold** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:14 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
California Gold wrote:24 people voted for Canada on this poll? The **** is wrong with people.

You'll see soon enough

Yeah I’m aware already that Canada can finish no better than Silver.

durden_tyler · Post #1554 » by **durden_tyler** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:14 pm

Mamba81p wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:
Mamba81p wrote:
Nobody is protected from random draw. There will be 4 pots
The best 2 first placed teams are in pot 1
The other first placed team and the best 2nd placed team in pot 2
The other second placed teams are in pot 3
3rd placed teams are in pot 4

With how strong group A is, playing a 3rd placed team is not necessarily a good thing, but it's worth a shot to go against the other 3rd placed team.

For Team USA it is important the 3rd team in their group doesn't get through, otherwise they are guaranteed to play to other 3rd placed team.

Can you provide scenarios please, it’s confusing but your specific pot descriptions make sense so thank you. It validates though that the pt differential matters because you don’t want to drop to tier/pots if you lost a tiebreak.

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If the current standings stay:
pot 1: USA, Germany
pot 2:Australia, France
pot 3: South Sudan, Canada
pot 4: Greece, Puerto Rico

USA cannot play Puerto Rico so they will play Greece
Germany vs Puerto Rico
Australia cannot play Canada so they play South Sudan.
France vs Canada

USA and Germany can only meet in the finals.

In this example there is no need for a draw because of the same group restrictions, but the draw will always determine the semis matchups

Thanks. Ran my own permutation in previous post. Excited to see which teams chase this pt differential since we’ll see a bunch of tied teams!

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MagicMamba88 · Post #1555 » by **MagicMamba88** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:15 pm

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eyeatoma · Post #1556 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:15 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
Heat3 wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
I can’t imagine if SGA went on the record and said “I’d rather play for Canada but the US has a better chance of winning and I want to win”.

Embiid could have talked Siakam into playing and they would have made the Olympics. He had a great chance of changing his narrative, but here we are.

He’s a US citizen. Why is there any question about him playing for team USA? It’s a ridiculous narrative to criticize the guy for.

Well yeah, we all know he is US citizen. He is also citizen of Cameroon, and his decision is still incredibly disappointing...

Why because he didn't want to carry a team like he has his whole career? Because he didn't want to have to go all out, and risk injury, for one of the most injury prone players in the league. It's pretty logical why he decided to go with the US. Not to mention, when he wanted to play for France Wemby wasn't a thing. How is it going to work when the teams 3 best players are centers?

Heat3 · Post #1557 » by **Heat3** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:16 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
Heat3 wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
I can’t imagine if SGA went on the record and said “I’d rather play for Canada but the US has a better chance of winning and I want to win”.

Embiid could have talked Siakam into playing and they would have made the Olympics. He had a great chance of changing his narrative, but here we are.

He’s a US citizen. Why is there any question about him playing for team USA? It’s a ridiculous narrative to criticize the guy for.

Well yeah, we all know he is US citizen. He is also citizen of Cameroon, and his decision is still incredibly disappointing...

For who? People that want to hold him to a different standard? I don’t remember anyone **** on Hakeem for playing on team usa.

durden_tyler · Post #1558 » by **durden_tyler** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:16 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Heat3 wrote:
He’s a US citizen. Why is there any question about him playing for team USA? It’s a ridiculous narrative to criticize the guy for.

Well yeah, we all know he is US citizen. He is also citizen of Cameroon, and his decision is still incredibly disappointing...

Why because he didn't want to carry a team like he has his whole career? Because he didn't want to have to go all out, and risk injury, for one of the most injury prone players in the league. It's pretty logical why he decided to go with the US. Not to mention, when he wanted to play for France Wemby wasn't a thing. How is it going to work when the teams 3 best players are centers?

He just did not expect that he’s also the 3rd best bigman in this US lineup. Hahhahahahha

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SelfishPlayer · Post #1559 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:17 pm

AleksandarN wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:

Against this stacked US team

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Stop reposting that garbage. Durant came off of the bench.

What does Durant have to do with how Jokic played?

Jokic was a starter and his on/off was zero. Durant was a reserve and the game's leading scorer with a +20 on/off.

mademan · Post #1560 » by **mademan** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:17 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Heat3 wrote:
He’s a US citizen. Why is there any question about him playing for team USA? It’s a ridiculous narrative to criticize the guy for.

Well yeah, we all know he is US citizen. He is also citizen of Cameroon, and his decision is still incredibly disappointing...

Why because he didn't want to carry a team like he has his whole career? Because he didn't want to have to go all out, and risk injury, for one of the most injury prone players in the league. It's pretty logical why he decided to go with the US. Not to mention, when he wanted to play for France Wemby wasn't a thing. How is it going to work when the teams 3 best players are centers?

Man wantd to glom onto team USA for an easy gold. Its his right, but the criticism is absolutely valid. even moreso when the team plays better without him in their first game that matters.

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