Off-season Roster Update, 2024-25 – (Walker, last Ex-10 Player Waived)

[ConstableGeneva]

Thanks. I didn’t know about that “combined total 90 games” clause for having an open roster spot. I don’t think it’s much of a bother this year…but I wonder if it did come into play last year with Queta?

Not even close. Less than 40 games total between Queta, JD, and Drew.

I was thinking Queta was active for many of the games he didn’t play? But yeah on further review it looks like even then not close.

Oh, right.

Read on Twitter

JD and Drew were called up much less frequently I guess.

[Parliament10]

Where are we at?
Do we still have 19, including Watson (Unsigned)?

[Hal14]

Where are we at?
Do we still have 19, including Watson (Unsigned)?

I believe so, yes.

After Watson signs, there will be 2 more spots available on the training camp roster.

I figure we fill those 2 spots either by:

a) 2 guys from our SL team (like House, Ramsey, Cook, Tillie)

Or

b) 1 vet min free agent signing (perhaps someone like Brissett, Osman or Hayward?) for 1 spot and then 1 of our SL guys for the other spot..

[redslastlaugh]

As pertains our three 2way roster spots. Seems certain one will go to Anton Watson. It seems JD Davison can have one if he wants one. And then there’s not been a word so far if the team wants to bring back Drew Peterson, who is a good bit older, back on a 2way.

I’m monitoring the Indiana Pacers because they just made three 2nd round picks and last year they had Oscar Tshiebwe on a two way and he was the most dominant rebounder in the G last year. So that’s four prospects that they probably want to keep in their G league system but they are limited to three 2way contracts. I’m keeping an eye on Indiana and who they let go, if anyone.

They have:
Johnny Furphy
Enrique Freeman
Tristen Newton
Oscar Tshiebwe

If they don’t roster anyone on the big club, one will not get a 2way and I’d be intrigued by any of them for one of our remaining 2ways.

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Pacers situation with their 2ways. They’ve signed Furphy to a roster contract, signed Quinton Jackson and Tristen Newton to 2ways, and have one 2way left between Freeman and Tshiebwe.

I like both Tshiebwe and Freeman, so … I’m just keeping an eye on the Pacers, given we have 1 2way spot available.

[shackles10]

As pertains our three 2way roster spots. Seems certain one will go to Anton Watson. It seems JD Davison can have one if he wants one. And then there’s not been a word so far if the team wants to bring back Drew Peterson, who is a good bit older, back on a 2way.

I’m monitoring the Indiana Pacers because they just made three 2nd round picks and last year they had Oscar Tshiebwe on a two way and he was the most dominant rebounder in the G last year. So that’s four prospects that they probably want to keep in their G league system but they are limited to three 2way contracts. I’m keeping an eye on Indiana and who they let go, if anyone.

They have:
Johnny Furphy
Enrique Freeman
Tristen Newton
Oscar Tshiebwe

If they don’t roster anyone on the big club, one will not get a 2way and I’d be intrigued by any of them for one of our remaining 2ways.

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Pacers situation with their 2ways. They’ve signed Furphy to a roster contract, signed Quinton Jackson and Tristen Newton to 2ways, and have one 2way left between Freeman and Tshiebwe.

I like both Tshiebwe and Freeman, so … I’m just keeping an eye on the Pacers, given we have 1 2way spot available.

Agreed. Sign Watson to regular roster and one of their guys to a 2-way or Watson to a 2-way and Tshiebwe to our 15th maybe? I’d be surprised if Pacers let Freeman who they just drafted go though and Tshiebwe was very good for them last year.

[playa-hater]

As pertains our three 2way roster spots. Seems certain one will go to Anton Watson. It seems JD Davison can have one if he wants one. And then there’s not been a word so far if the team wants to bring back Drew Peterson, who is a good bit older, back on a 2way.

I’m monitoring the Indiana Pacers because they just made three 2nd round picks and last year they had Oscar Tshiebwe on a two way and he was the most dominant rebounder in the G last year. So that’s four prospects that they probably want to keep in their G league system but they are limited to three 2way contracts. I’m keeping an eye on Indiana and who they let go, if anyone.

They have:
Johnny Furphy
Enrique Freeman
Tristen Newton
Oscar Tshiebwe

If they don’t roster anyone on the big club, one will not get a 2way and I’d be intrigued by any of them for one of our remaining 2ways.

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Pacers situation with their 2ways. They’ve signed Furphy to a roster contract, signed Quinton Jackson and Tristen Newton to 2ways, and have one 2way left between Freeman and Tshiebwe.

I like both Tshiebwe and Freeman, so … I’m just keeping an eye on the Pacers, given we have 1 2way spot available.

Agreed. Sign Watson to regular roster and one of their guys to a 2-way or Watson to a 2-way and Tshiebwe to our 15th maybe? I’d be surprised if Pacers let Freeman who they just drafted go though and Tshiebwe was very good for them last year.

I feel JD is the slightly more needed Position for us In Boston yet as I have said a few times there are talented players who will not be signed. I for one would rather have either Tshiebwe or Freeman > JD. Though as usual I will trust Bard with whatever decision he does..

[shackles10]

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Pacers situation with their 2ways. They’ve signed Furphy to a roster contract, signed Quinton Jackson and Tristen Newton to 2ways, and have one 2way left between Freeman and Tshiebwe.

I like both Tshiebwe and Freeman, so … I’m just keeping an eye on the Pacers, given we have 1 2way spot available.

Agreed. Sign Watson to regular roster and one of their guys to a 2-way or Watson to a 2-way and Tshiebwe to our 15th maybe? I’d be surprised if Pacers let Freeman who they just drafted go though and Tshiebwe was very good for them last year.

I feel JD is the slightly more needed Position for us In Boston yet as I have said a few times there are talented players who will not be signed. I for one would rather have either Tshiebwe or Freeman > JD. Though as usual I will trust Bard with whatever decision he does..

Yeah in Bard we trust!

[cl2117]

Minutes Distribution, 82-game season, no OT for simplification sake:

• PG: White (1976), Pritchard (1760), Springer (120), Davison (80)
• SG: Holiday (2112), Brown (1000), White (456), Walsh (328), Springer (40)
• SF: Hauser (1872), Brown (1310), Scheierman (508), Walsh (166), Peterson (80)
• PF: Tatum (2625), Horford (650), Tillman (425), Scheierman (236)
• C: Porzingis (1050), Kornet (990), Horford (950), Queta (500), Tillman (446)

Tatum (PF): 75 g, 35 mpg
White (PG/SG): 76 g, 32 mpg
Brown (SG/SF): 70 g, 33 mpg
Holiday (SG): 66 g, 32 mpg
Pritchard (PG): 80 g, 22 mpg
Hauser (SF): 78 g, 24 mpg
Horford (PF/C): 64 g, 25 mpg
Porzingis (C): 35 g, 30 mpg
Kornet (C): 66 g, 15 mpg
Tillman (PF/C): 67 g, 13 mpg
Queta (C): 50 g, 10 mpg
Scheierman (SF/PF): 62 g, 12 mpg
Walsh (SG/SF): 38 g, 13 mpg
Springer (PG/SG): 20 g, 8 mpg
Davison (PG): 16 g, 5 mpg
Peterson (SF): 10 g, 8 mpg

Tried my own version of this off the back of Summer League:

PG: Holiday (1950), Pritchard (1650), White (236), Davison (100)
SG: White (1909), Brown (1037), Springer (990)
SF: Hauser (1650), Brown (1108), Scheierman (745), Tatum (233), Walsh (200)
PF: Tatum (1912), Horford (769), Tillman (500), Watson (410), Scheierman (245), Peterson (100)
C: Porzingis (1025), Kornet (990), Queta (990), Horford (606), Tillman (325)

Tatum (PF/SF): 65 games, 33 mpg (2145 total mins)
Brown (SG/SF): 65 games, 33 mpg (2145 total mins)
White (SG/PG): 65 games, 33 mpg (2145 total mins)
Holiday (PG): 65 games, 30 mpg (1950 total mins)
Hauser (SF): 75 games, 22 mpg (1650 total mins)
Pritchard (PG): 75 games, 22 mpg (1650 total mins)
Horford (PF/C): 55 games, 25 mpg (1365 total mins)
Porzingis (C): 41 games, 25 mpg (1025 total mins)
Springer (SG): 66 games, 15mpg (990 total mins)
Kornet (C): 66 games, 15 mpg (990 total mins)
Queta(C): 66 games, 15 mpg (990 total mins)
Scheierman (SF/PF): 66 games, 15 mpg (990 total mins)
Tillman (PF/C): 55 games, 15 mpg (825 total mins)
Watson (PF): 41 games, 10 mpg (410 total mins)
Walsh (SF): 20 games, 10 mpg (200 total mins)
Davison (PG): 10 games, 10 mpg (100 total mins)
Peterson (PF): 10 games, 10 mpg (100 total mins)

It's probably overly conservative on our top 6 players minutes, assuming some level of minutes reduction for everyone but White. I assume, apart from KP/Horford, they'll all want to be award eligible so barring injury 65 games seems to be the bottom end for all of four.

Horford I think rests more than ever before and I've got KP missing half the season (although I don't know what's realistic for him, maybe I'm overstating it). That opens up a ton of minutes for the rest of the big men. Tillman historically doesn't play above 60 games so Queta/Kornet get extra run to compensate. I've got Watson playing half the season on less minutes, but still part of this crew, although that might be an overreaction to SL. Physically he just seems best placed to pick up minutes left at the 4 that Tillman doesn't already get.

Walsh didn't look ready at all in his limited sample size, but Scheierman looks like he can play now. In terms of extra wing minutes, the pendulum swings between those two and possibly Watson. I could also see either of those guys playing more PF in place of the minutes I've allocated to Watson. Springer I've also got entering the rotation, but eating minutes left behind by the smaller wings/guards. Realistically it might be Hauser and Pritchard that see a massive uptick as opposed to minutes getting spread across the new(ish) guys, but I think Joe/Brad know they need to develop some of this cheap talent to future proof this team.

[Hal14]

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Pacers situation with their 2ways. They’ve signed Furphy to a roster contract, signed Quinton Jackson and Tristen Newton to 2ways, and have one 2way left between Freeman and Tshiebwe.

I like both Tshiebwe and Freeman, so … I’m just keeping an eye on the Pacers, given we have 1 2way spot available.

Eh. I don't see what value Tshiebwe would provide here. He's a smaller, worse version of Queta. When Tshiebwe was in college, he was horrible defensively, couldn't defend in space or defend a PnR to save his life. Can't shoot, has no feel as a passer/playmaker.

Sure, he can rebound but...no thanks.

And Freeman would be a bit redundant with Watson. I like having 1 of them on the squad, but just don't see the need for both of them..they would be getting in the way of each other's development - better to just pick 1 of them and put all the development focus/resources into them, imo.

Indiana is obviously going to sign Freeman to some type of contract since they just drafted him so it's a moot point..

[165bows]

Minutes Distribution, 82-game season, no OT for simplification sake:

• PG: White (1976), Pritchard (1760), Springer (120), Davison (80)
• SG: Holiday (2112), Brown (1000), White (456), Walsh (328), Springer (40)
• SF: Hauser (1872), Brown (1310), Scheierman (508), Walsh (166), Peterson (80)
• PF: Tatum (2625), Horford (650), Tillman (425), Scheierman (236)
• C: Porzingis (1050), Kornet (990), Horford (950), Queta (500), Tillman (446)

Tatum (PF): 75 g, 35 mpg
White (PG/SG): 76 g, 32 mpg
Brown (SG/SF): 70 g, 33 mpg
Holiday (SG): 66 g, 32 mpg
Pritchard (PG): 80 g, 22 mpg
Hauser (SF): 78 g, 24 mpg
Horford (PF/C): 64 g, 25 mpg
Porzingis (C): 35 g, 30 mpg
Kornet (C): 66 g, 15 mpg
Tillman (PF/C): 67 g, 13 mpg
Queta (C): 50 g, 10 mpg
Scheierman (SF/PF): 62 g, 12 mpg
Walsh (SG/SF): 38 g, 13 mpg
Springer (PG/SG): 20 g, 8 mpg
Davison (PG): 16 g, 5 mpg
Peterson (SF): 10 g, 8 mpg

Tried my own version of this off the back of Summer League:

PG: Holiday (1950), Pritchard (1650), White (236), Davison (100)
SG: White (1909), Brown (1037), Springer (990)
SF: Hauser (1650), Brown (1108), Scheierman (745), Tatum (233), Walsh (200)
PF: Tatum (1912), Horford (769), Tillman (500), Watson (410), Scheierman (245), Peterson (100)
C: Porzingis (1025), Kornet (990), Queta (990), Horford (606), Tillman (325)

Tatum (PF/SF): 65 games, 33 mpg (2145 total mins)
Brown (SG/SF): 65 games, 33 mpg (2145 total mins)
White (SG/PG): 65 games, 33 mpg (2145 total mins)
Holiday (PG): 65 games, 30 mpg (1950 total mins)
Hauser (SF): 75 games, 22 mpg (1650 total mins)
Pritchard (PG): 75 games, 22 mpg (1650 total mins)
Horford (PF/C): 55 games, 25 mpg (1365 total mins)
Porzingis (C): 41 games, 25 mpg (1025 total mins)
Springer (SG): 66 games, 15mpg (990 total mins)
Kornet (C): 66 games, 15 mpg (990 total mins)
Queta(C): 66 games, 15 mpg (990 total mins)
Scheierman (SF/PF): 66 games, 15 mpg (990 total mins)
Tillman (PF/C): 55 games, 15 mpg (825 total mins)
Watson (PF): 41 games, 10 mpg (410 total mins)
Walsh (SF): 20 games, 10 mpg (200 total mins)
Davison (PG): 10 games, 10 mpg (100 total mins)
Peterson (PF): 10 games, 10 mpg (100 total mins)

It's probably overly conservative on our top 6 players minutes, assuming some level of minutes reduction for everyone but White. I assume, apart from KP/Horford, they'll all want to be award eligible so barring injury 65 games seems to be the bottom end for all of four.

Horford I think rests more than ever before and I've got KP missing half the season (although I don't know what's realistic for him, maybe I'm overstating it). That opens up a ton of minutes for the rest of the big men. Tillman historically doesn't play above 60 games so Queta/Kornet get extra run to compensate. I've got Watson playing half the season on less minutes, but still part of this crew, although that might be an overreaction to SL. Physically he just seems best placed to pick up minutes left at the 4 that Tillman doesn't already get.

Walsh didn't look ready at all in his limited sample size, but Scheierman looks like he can play now. In terms of extra wing minutes, the pendulum swings between those two and possibly Watson. I could also see either of those guys playing more PF in place of the minutes I've allocated to Watson. Springer I've also got entering the rotation, but eating minutes left behind by the smaller wings/guards. Realistically it might be Hauser and Pritchard that see a massive uptick as opposed to minutes getting spread across the new(ish) guys, but I think Joe/Brad know they need to develop some of this cheap talent to future proof this team.

Love the total minutes breakdowns. Under rated way to do it.

To put my take on it, I think barring more sig injuries, Tatum/Brown/White eat up similar minutes to last year. The Olympics is another wrinkle but to put that in context they didn't even play more playoff games in '24 than in '23. If so that would eat up some of the bigger totals for the bench guys. I think it's a great point, maybe Hauser (I'd guess before Pritchard) sees his minutes jump way up. He may end up in that "sixth starter role" before too long.

[cl2117]

Love the total minutes breakdowns. Under rated way to do it.

To put my take on it, I think barring more sig injuries, Tatum/Brown/White eat up similar minutes to last year. The Olympics is another wrinkle but to put that in context they didn't even play more playoff games in '24 than in '23. If so that would eat up some of the bigger totals for the bench guys. I think it's a great point, maybe Hauser (I'd guess before Pritchard) sees his minutes jump way up. He may end up in that "sixth starter role" before too long.

I agree Tatum/Brown/White will likely ultimately eat up similar minutes to last year, but I still think it's wise to try to pump the breaks on them as much as possible. The cumulative attrition of running it all the way to the Finals two years ago, ECF last year in game 7 and then Finals again this year in addition to the Olympics I think shouldn't be slept on. My goal would be to keep them award eligible and at the top of the East in as few games as possible.

The problem I have with Hauser fitting into that 6th starter role is that he's not as versatile as a guy like Horford. I know basketball is more position-less than ever but I don't see Sam as a frontcourt player (e.g. not a "4") nor do I see him as a guy who can eat guard minutes. He's a SF through and through. Because the rest of our guys are so versatile, I think he can still fill that 6th staret role, but it's not as easy a fit as it would be otherwise.

Scheierman for example I think could snag some of those "extra" minutes in place of Sam if he can play PF thanks to his rebounding. Same for Watson and to far lesser extent Walsh. On the other end of the spectrum, Springer might get some wing minutes because he's more of a true SG and can hang with faster offensive players.

Sam could very easily hoover up all those minutes and end up playing closer to 30 than 20, but I'm just not sold on it yet (especially when you consider the value in developing those other guys). Pritchard on the other hand I think is at his ceiling unless Jrue's minutes/games get throttled down even more, and then even in those circumstances I think they could end up going to some of the wings (Sam included).

[165bows]

Love the total minutes breakdowns. Under rated way to do it.

To put my take on it, I think barring more sig injuries, Tatum/Brown/White eat up similar minutes to last year. The Olympics is another wrinkle but to put that in context they didn't even play more playoff games in '24 than in '23. If so that would eat up some of the bigger totals for the bench guys. I think it's a great point, maybe Hauser (I'd guess before Pritchard) sees his minutes jump way up. He may end up in that "sixth starter role" before too long.

I agree Tatum/Brown/White will likely ultimately eat up similar minutes to last year, but I still think it's wise to try to pump the breaks on them as much as possible. The cumulative attrition of running it all the way to the Finals two years ago, ECF last year in game 7 and then Finals again this year in addition to the Olympics I think shouldn't be slept on. My goal would be to keep them award eligible and at the top of the East in as few games as possible.

The problem I have with Hauser fitting into that 6th starter role is that he's not as versatile as a guy like Horford. I know basketball is more position-less than ever but I don't see Sam as a frontcourt player (e.g. not a "4") nor do I see him as a guy who can eat guard minutes. He's a SF through and through. Because the rest of our guys are so versatile, I think he can still fill that 6th staret role, but it's not as easy a fit as it would be otherwise.

Scheierman for example I think could snag some of those "extra" minutes in place of Sam if he can play PF thanks to his rebounding. Same for Watson and to far lesser extent Walsh. On the other end of the spectrum, Springer might get some wing minutes because he's more of a true SG and can hang with faster offensive players.

Sam could very easily hoover up all those minutes and end up playing closer to 30 than 20, but I'm just not sold on it yet (especially when you consider the value in developing those other guys). Pritchard on the other hand I think is at his ceiling unless Jrue's minutes/games get throttled down even more, and then even in those circumstances I think they could end up going to some of the wings (Sam included).

Good point with Hauser, I agree he is a 2-3/wing only, but a guy that can cover both of those positions adequately is pretty darn valuable. But having 5 guys that can all play two positions around him creates more versatility for him than he actually brings to the table.

Scheierman my guess is he gets in a bit but tops out at the 500-600 minutes level. Sort of fills the Queta role of just filling a hole once in awhile when he’s needed but isn’t a regular guy.

[cl2117]

Good point with Hauser, I agree he is a 2-3/wing only, but a guy that can cover both of those positions adequately is pretty darn valuable. But having 5 guys that can all play two positions around him creates more versatility for him than he actually brings to the table.

Scheierman my guess is he gets in a bit but tops out at the 500-600 minutes level. Sort of fills the Queta role of just filling a hole once in awhile when he’s needed but isn’t a regular guy.

Is he a "2" though? I almost feel better with him at the 4 than the 2, but uneasy with both.

But to your point, the fact that we've got so many other Swiss Army guys out there to match up with him means that he doesn't need to be the one that changes. He can be the stalwart at the 3 and let everyone adjust around him as he's already such a good complimentary piece that fits well in between most any 2/4.

You're probably right on Scheierman. I think I'm letting his age influence my perception of his NBA readiness. Even if he's more polished than most rookies at 24 years old, he's coming out of Creighton into the NBA, that's going to be a big challenge. He'll realistically be in Maine more than he is in Boston. Coming into Summer League I really had high hopes for Walsh finding his way towards more consistent minutes and that just doesn't seem plausible, so I think I let Baylor pick up that mantle without really considering whether he was worthy of it either.

Springer is really interesting though. Such a limited snapshot in SL, but looked head and shoulders above the rest. But I'm pretty sure that was the book on him last year as well. Will be interesting to see if he can break through because all signs currently point to C's Fo thinking there could be some real value there.

[Parliament10]

I've felt for awhile that the NBA should increase it's Off-season Roster limit, to 25-Players.
Give the Fringe Players some more up-time.

We also need an increase to 5 x Two-Ways. It helps open up the competition in Training Camp, among other things.
NBA needs to take it's Minor League much more seriously.

[Hal14]

Love the total minutes breakdowns. Under rated way to do it.

To put my take on it, I think barring more sig injuries, Tatum/Brown/White eat up similar minutes to last year. The Olympics is another wrinkle but to put that in context they didn't even play more playoff games in '24 than in '23. If so that would eat up some of the bigger totals for the bench guys. I think it's a great point, maybe Hauser (I'd guess before Pritchard) sees his minutes jump way up. He may end up in that "sixth starter role" before too long.

I agree Tatum/Brown/White will likely ultimately eat up similar minutes to last year, but I still think it's wise to try to pump the breaks on them as much as possible. The cumulative attrition of running it all the way to the Finals two years ago, ECF last year in game 7 and then Finals again this year in addition to the Olympics I think shouldn't be slept on. My goal would be to keep them award eligible and at the top of the East in as few games as possible.

The problem I have with Hauser fitting into that 6th starter role is that he's not as versatile as a guy like Horford. I know basketball is more position-less than ever but I don't see Sam as a frontcourt player (e.g. not a "4") nor do I see him as a guy who can eat guard minutes. He's a SF through and through. Because the rest of our guys are so versatile, I think he can still fill that 6th staret role, but it's not as easy a fit as it would be otherwise.

Scheierman for example I think could snag some of those "extra" minutes in place of Sam if he can play PF thanks to his rebounding. Same for Watson and to far lesser extent Walsh. On the other end of the spectrum, Springer might get some wing minutes because he's more of a true SG and can hang with faster offensive players.

Sam could very easily hoover up all those minutes and end up playing closer to 30 than 20, but I'm just not sold on it yet (especially when you consider the value in developing those other guys). Pritchard on the other hand I think is at his ceiling unless Jrue's minutes/games get throttled down even more, and then even in those circumstances I think they could end up going to some of the wings (Sam included).

Eh, idk. Their TRB % during last college season:

Scheierman: 14.0
Hauser: 13.1

Those numbers are awfully close.

At the combine, Hauser measured a 6'9.25" wingspan, compared to 6'8.25" for Scheierman. So I hesitate to say that Scheirman can play the 4 but Hauser cannot.

Over the past couple years, Hauser has already played the 4 quite a bit. I think when he's on the floor with Tatum, they're basically interchangeable at the 3/4 spots. You could probably even say the same about Hauser and JB. The lines between positions are getting increasingly blurred.

I also hesitate to pencil Scheirman in for any meaningful mins this upcoming season. It doesn't seem like he's ready to defend at an NBA level (yet) and his shot isn't there (yet) either - in SL he was struggling to make shots and to get his shot off vs NBA level defenders, given how low and how slow his release is..think it's probably best that he works that stuff out this season in Maine..

[cl2117]

Love the total minutes breakdowns. Under rated way to do it.

To put my take on it, I think barring more sig injuries, Tatum/Brown/White eat up similar minutes to last year. The Olympics is another wrinkle but to put that in context they didn't even play more playoff games in '24 than in '23. If so that would eat up some of the bigger totals for the bench guys. I think it's a great point, maybe Hauser (I'd guess before Pritchard) sees his minutes jump way up. He may end up in that "sixth starter role" before too long.

I agree Tatum/Brown/White will likely ultimately eat up similar minutes to last year, but I still think it's wise to try to pump the breaks on them as much as possible. The cumulative attrition of running it all the way to the Finals two years ago, ECF last year in game 7 and then Finals again this year in addition to the Olympics I think shouldn't be slept on. My goal would be to keep them award eligible and at the top of the East in as few games as possible.

The problem I have with Hauser fitting into that 6th starter role is that he's not as versatile as a guy like Horford. I know basketball is more position-less than ever but I don't see Sam as a frontcourt player (e.g. not a "4") nor do I see him as a guy who can eat guard minutes. He's a SF through and through. Because the rest of our guys are so versatile, I think he can still fill that 6th staret role, but it's not as easy a fit as it would be otherwise.

Scheierman for example I think could snag some of those "extra" minutes in place of Sam if he can play PF thanks to his rebounding. Same for Watson and to far lesser extent Walsh. On the other end of the spectrum, Springer might get some wing minutes because he's more of a true SG and can hang with faster offensive players.

Sam could very easily hoover up all those minutes and end up playing closer to 30 than 20, but I'm just not sold on it yet (especially when you consider the value in developing those other guys). Pritchard on the other hand I think is at his ceiling unless Jrue's minutes/games get throttled down even more, and then even in those circumstances I think they could end up going to some of the wings (Sam included).

Eh, idk. Their TRB % during last college season:

Scheierman: 14.0
Hauser: 13.1

Those numbers are awfully close.

At the combine, Hauser measured a 6'9.25" wingspan, compared to 6'8.25" for Scheierman. So I hesitate to say that Scheirman can play the 4 but Hauser cannot.

Over the past couple years, Hauser has already played the 4 quite a bit. I think when he's on the floor with Tatum, they're basically interchangeable at the 3/4 spots. You could probably even say the same about Hauser and JB. The lines between positions are getting increasingly blurred.

I also hesitate to pencil Scheirman in for any meaningful mins this upcoming season. It doesn't seem like he's ready to defend at an NBA level (yet) and his shot isn't there (yet) either - in SL he was struggling to make shots and to get his shot off vs NBA level defenders, given how low and how slow his release is..think it's probably best that he works that stuff out this season in Maine..

Yeah that's fair. It's not so much that I think Sam can't play the 4, but it's just not his natural position. Nowadays when it feels like everyone is somewhat a tweener apart from C's and small PG's, but Sam to me feels very much as a natural 3 through and through. Tatum is a 3/4, Brown is a 2/3, which is why Sam plays well off either/both since they can play up/down as needed.

Scheierman similarly strikes me as a pure SF, but the scouting reports touting his rebounding suggest maybe he can play bigger than his size suggests. There's not a massive gap between their college stats in terms of rebounding, but it's clear Baylor has an edge in that respect and it pops out in every scouting report I've read on him whereas Sam was always touted as pretty much exclusively a 3pt specialist. The eye test also tells you Baylor has a decent nose for the ball. The defense is probably the achilles heel as it would have been for Sam had he not improved leaps and bounds and it's also probably why he won't be able to sustain any floor time. I'm not worried about the shooting at all.

I agree he probably spends the majority of his time in Maine. I think I was trying to shoehorn developmental minutes into the numbers because of how important I think it is to have cheap young talent in the pipeline, but ultimately you can't fit a square peg in a round hole. The top 8 from last year will ultimately take on way more minutes than I've outlined.

Still though between him, Watson and even Walsh I would like to see an effort to try and find/develop the next generation of cheap bench talent. Watson would be the more natural fit some of the minutes I gifted to Scheierman. He's got more of that 3/4 natural bend to him than either Baylor or Sam. Walsh could work as well thanks to his length, even though he lacks the strength you'd want, but his feel for the game still feels too far behind to pencil him in for more than spot minutes.

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Minutes Distribution, 82-game season, no OT for simplification sake:

• PG: White (1976), Pritchard (1760), Springer (120), Davison (80)
• SG: Holiday (2112), Brown (1000), White (456), Walsh (328), Springer (40)
• SF: Hauser (1872), Brown (1310), Scheierman (508), Walsh (166), Peterson (80)
• PF: Tatum (2625), Horford (650), Tillman (425), Scheierman (236)
• C: Porzingis (1050), Kornet (990), Horford (950), Queta (500), Tillman (446)

Tatum (PF): 75 g, 35 mpg
White (PG/SG): 76 g, 32 mpg
Brown (SG/SF): 70 g, 33 mpg
Holiday (SG): 66 g, 32 mpg
Pritchard (PG): 80 g, 22 mpg
Hauser (SF): 78 g, 24 mpg
Horford (PF/C): 64 g, 25 mpg
Porzingis (C): 35 g, 30 mpg
Kornet (C): 66 g, 15 mpg
Tillman (PF/C): 67 g, 13 mpg
Queta (C): 50 g, 10 mpg
Scheierman (SF/PF): 62 g, 12 mpg
Walsh (SG/SF): 38 g, 13 mpg
Springer (PG/SG): 20 g, 8 mpg
Davison (PG): 16 g, 5 mpg
Peterson (SF): 10 g, 8 mpg

Tried my own version of this off the back of Summer League:

PG: Holiday (1950), Pritchard (1650), White (236), Davison (100)
SG: White (1909), Brown (1037), Springer (990)
SF: Hauser (1650), Brown (1108), Scheierman (745), Tatum (233), Walsh (200)
PF: Tatum (1912), Horford (769), Tillman (500), Watson (410), Scheierman (245), Peterson (100)
C: Porzingis (1025), Kornet (990), Queta (990), Horford (606), Tillman (325)

Tatum (PF/SF): 65 games, 33 mpg (2145 total mins)
Brown (SG/SF): 65 games, 33 mpg (2145 total mins)
White (SG/PG): 65 games, 33 mpg (2145 total mins)
Holiday (PG): 65 games, 30 mpg (1950 total mins)
Hauser (SF): 75 games, 22 mpg (1650 total mins)
Pritchard (PG): 75 games, 22 mpg (1650 total mins)
Horford (PF/C): 55 games, 25 mpg (1365 total mins)
Porzingis (C): 41 games, 25 mpg (1025 total mins)
Springer (SG): 66 games, 15mpg (990 total mins)
Kornet (C): 66 games, 15 mpg (990 total mins)
Queta(C): 66 games, 15 mpg (990 total mins)
Scheierman (SF/PF): 66 games, 15 mpg (990 total mins)
Tillman (PF/C): 55 games, 15 mpg (825 total mins)
Watson (PF): 41 games, 10 mpg (410 total mins)
Walsh (SF): 20 games, 10 mpg (200 total mins)
Davison (PG): 10 games, 10 mpg (100 total mins)
Peterson (PF): 10 games, 10 mpg (100 total mins)

It's probably overly conservative on our top 6 players minutes, assuming some level of minutes reduction for everyone but White. I assume, apart from KP/Horford, they'll all want to be award eligible so barring injury 65 games seems to be the bottom end for all of four.

Horford I think rests more than ever before and I've got KP missing half the season (although I don't know what's realistic for him, maybe I'm overstating it). That opens up a ton of minutes for the rest of the big men. Tillman historically doesn't play above 60 games so Queta/Kornet get extra run to compensate. I've got Watson playing half the season on less minutes, but still part of this crew, although that might be an overreaction to SL. Physically he just seems best placed to pick up minutes left at the 4 that Tillman doesn't already get.

Walsh didn't look ready at all in his limited sample size, but Scheierman looks like he can play now. In terms of extra wing minutes, the pendulum swings between those two and possibly Watson. I could also see either of those guys playing more PF in place of the minutes I've allocated to Watson. Springer I've also got entering the rotation, but eating minutes left behind by the smaller wings/guards. Realistically it might be Hauser and Pritchard that see a massive uptick as opposed to minutes getting spread across the new(ish) guys, but I think Joe/Brad know they need to develop some of this cheap talent to future proof this team.

Definitely interesting way of breaking it down. Couple of thoughts:

I think Springer plays 70+ games
I'd be shocked if Rico gets that close to 1000, I think he'll be around 500 because of Maine
I'd like to see Watson get more of those allotted Rico minutes, not necessarily more per game rather play in more games
Give me more Queta and less Luke

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Tshiebwe is just elite as a rebounder, absolutely elite, so he has a chance to be something. Our team can absorb a weaker defensive big because our guards are Holiday, White and JB: absolute studs on defense. By comparison, Indiana with Halliburton and Nembhardt, Oscar Tshiebwe is never gonna make sense.

So I don’t know… Oscar may be nothing but if we decide to lock Anton Watson to a four year min roster contract, like the Warriors did with TJD, I’d be intrigued with Oscar Tshiebwe on the third 2 way… but this small potatoes, sure.

I agree with you that Freeman is probably not gonna be the prospect to shake loose, since Indiana just drafted him. I don’t think hed be duplicative in a negative way with Watson, you’d just give em both run and see who is more productive at the NBA level. But like you said, it’s likely a moot point.

But Oscar Tshiebwe is just a beast on the Oboard and Dboard, and I’d take a free look, that’s all.

I’ve been keeping an eye on the Pacers situation with their 2ways. They’ve signed Furphy to a roster contract, signed Quinton Jackson and Tristen Newton to 2ways, and have one 2way left between Freeman and Tshiebwe.

I like both Tshiebwe and Freeman, so … I’m just keeping an eye on the Pacers, given we have 1 2way spot available.

Eh. I don't see what value Tshiebwe would provide here. He's a smaller, worse version of Queta. When Tshiebwe was in college, he was horrible defensively, couldn't defend in space or defend a PnR to save his life. Can't shoot, has no feel as a passer/playmaker.

Sure, he can rebound but...no thanks.

And Freeman would be a bit redundant with Watson. I like having 1 of them on the squad, but just don't see the need for both of them..Indiana is obviously going to sign Freeman to some type of contract since they just drafted him so it's a moot point..

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So, that's all the Two-Ways, right?

Yup.

JD, Peterson, Watson. 1 of them could get waived but that doesn't seem likely.

And the 15th roster spot being left open, likely.