Grant Trade?

[dckingsfan]

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/blazers-want-two-first-round-picks-for-jerami-grant/

[Norm2953]

There is an SI report that says the Lakers almost agreed to giving up two FRP for Grant but backed off

Lets see if it gets done after Lebron returns from the Olympics

[dckingsfan]

There is an SI report that says the Lakers almost agreed to giving up two FRP for Grant but backed off

Lets see if it gets done after Lebron returns from the Olympics

I don't think it is about Lebron. I think it is about supply. There are several players that could help various teams that won't cost 2 picks. I think taking on FRP would be prudent to get this done. Especially since Grant's contract runs through '27-'28.

I think the Wizards (among others) are in the same place with Kuzma (example). I think it is a buyers' market now. I think that could change by the trade deadline but the Lakers (probably) won't be buyers at that time since they aren't all that.

My 1/2 cent.

[BlazersBroncos]

There is an SI report that says the Lakers almost agreed to giving up two FRP for Grant but backed off

Lets see if it gets done after Lebron returns from the Olympics

That would be a jaw dropping return for Grant. Probably the best deal of the summer.

I wonder if being that close to moving 2 FRP they would settle for 1 and a swap. I think that would still be one of the top deals of the summer.

[zzaj]

Grant to the Lakers for 2 FRP or ANY picks is basically impossible unless the Lakers send out 31M in salary somewhere....IIRC, that's what Wiz mentioned.

[Walton1one]

Well the rumor is Rui\Vincent & small filler (Reddish was mentioned) for Grant +29' 1st

Apparently, POR has zero interest in Dlo and by retaining him, potential PG issues for LAL are moot. Although I would argue that whether Dlo is in\not in this deal does not really matter, LAL does not rely on Dlo as their distributor anyway.

Devil is in the details: No interest in Reddish, he would be cut anyway,

I would imagine POR would send a player back in this deal to be able to absorb Vincent, or they could cut Banton or Walker, or Vincent for that matter, however w\2yrs left, they may opt to hold onto him as salary filler\expiring deal for next year. Also, if Simons was dealt, there is your low minute vet\backup.

One interesting possibility is Knecht being in a deal (instead of a 2nd 1st round pick). He can be traded\salary added instead of Reddish the 1st week of August. Otherwise, I would imagine POR would want a little more from LAL, like a 1st round pick swap and that pick, be it 29'/30'/31' better have no\lite (top 3?) protections on it.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think there is a zero chance Dalton is in the deal.

Even with taking on Vincent I would be OK with the 2029 FRP (Top-4) and the higher of the LAC / LAL 2025 SRP. If there is a swap involved, I would expect it to be LP (Which is pretty low value). I cant see a lightly protected swap as well as a FRP.

I would try for these 2 deals -

Kris Murray to SAC for TPE and 2025 PDX SRP.
Jerami Grant + Duop Reath for Rui Hachimura + Gabe Vincent + Cam Reddish + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + 2030 FRP Swap (LP) + lower of LAL / LAC 2025 SRP.

Then cut Cam Reddish and sign a youngster.

[GEE]

I think Lebron and the Olympics has everything to do with the timeline of this deal possibly happening. The Lakers could be under enormous pressure to make a sizable improvement BEFORE his return from France. Grant I would imagine is one (and likely the best) scenario that LeGM has already signed off on. I would also imagine Cronin having some sort of cut-off date as well.

I so hope negotiations are ongoing, but who really knows if the two sides are even talking, but there sure are many different forms to what a final deal could look like... lots of options/details that could be added or left out, but if it ends up being something like: Rui, Woods, FRP and a swap... I'd be stoked enough. I like to see the K.I.S.S. method used as much and as often as possible. Absolutely don't want to be including assets like RW3 or taking back any long-term crap of theirs either.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think Lebron and the Olympics has everything to do with the timeline of this deal possibly happening. The Lakers could be under enormous pressure to make a sizable improvement BEFORE his return from France. Grant I would imagine is one (and likely the best) scenario that LeGM has already signed off on. I would also imagine Cronin having some sort of cut-off date as well.

I so hope negotiations are ongoing, but who really knows if the two sides are even talking, but there sure are many different forms to what a final deal could look like... lots of options/details that could be added or left out, but if it ends up being something like: Rui, Woods, FRP and a swap... I'd be stoked enough. I like to see the K.I.S.S. method used as much and as often as possible. Absolutely don't want to be including assets like RW3 or taking back any long-term crap of theirs either.

The salaries have to basically match 1-to-1 for a LAL deal to work due to their apron issue.

There isnt really a way to make a Grant deal to LAL work w/o Gabe coming back to PDX.

[GEE]

I think Lebron and the Olympics has everything to do with the timeline of this deal possibly happening. The Lakers could be under enormous pressure to make a sizable improvement BEFORE his return from France. Grant I would imagine is one (and likely the best) scenario that LeGM has already signed off on. I would also imagine Cronin having some sort of cut-off date as well.

I so hope negotiations are ongoing, but who really knows if the two sides are even talking, but there sure are many different forms to what a final deal could look like... lots of options/details that could be added or left out, but if it ends up being something like: Rui, Woods, FRP and a swap... I'd be stoked enough. I like to see the K.I.S.S. method used as much and as often as possible. Absolutely don't want to be including assets like RW3 or taking back any long-term crap of theirs either.

The salaries have to basically match 1-to-1 for a LAL deal to work due to their apron issue.

There isnt really a way to make a Grant deal to LAL work w/o Gabe coming back to PDX.

Yep... looks like we'd have to take Vincent or Russell back with Rui, Or... find a 3rd team to take 'em. I think we have tried this possibly and nobody around the NBA wants to take them either.... and I think Cronin absolutely knows this. Hence... the 2 FRPS me thinky. It's why I was involving BKN with my idea of a 3 teamer.

[Goldbum]

Russell or Vincent as a backup for a year isn't the end of the world...if we trade Ant. The only thing incentiving Portland to look for a deal (right now) are the roster limits during the off season.

[Jammer]

Outsider with a comment on Lakers:

In the 2014 to 2017 period they had 3 consecutive Top 4 Protected Picks where they landed Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball and DeAngelo Russell. They never had to convey a 1rst Round Pick. The Lakers decided to tank for 3 straight years and had 3 consecutive #2 picks.

The Lakers modus operandi is to find some fool who will take protected picks in years they intend to bottom out (like after LeBron retires in the hopes of running the Las Vegas franchise soon to be awarded). Hopefully someone in Portland is wise to the Fakers game.

Jerami Grant is worth Two Unprotected 1rsts in his own right.

Taking on a bad contract like Gabe Vincent's 2 remaining years at $11 million per year would require at least a 2nd Round pick for eating that garbage contract, if not two second rounders.

[HoopsFanAZ]

Thank you for the perspective.

The 2029 being unprotected should be the minimum expected. A second 1st rounder as a pick swap is reasonable to go with Rui, Vincent and change, IMHO. If the Lakers want to contend, their present lineup won’t cut it. They know it. Hope it gets done right after the Olympics. I expect Cronin to have a back-up option or two for Grant, but he shouldn’t sell on the cheap to the Lakers. It’s the Lakers!

If Cronin has to trade Grant to another team, that will be another lesson learned on how he operates. Sacramento can talk about Keegan Murray not on the table all they want, but that would be the kind of team to go to instead of the Lakers. SAC wants to win now.

[BlazersBroncos]

We got Grant for a single Top-4 protected pick owed from a team with a Top-5 player in his prime.

He is now older and on a large contract. I am not sure how his value has increased from Top-4 protected pick to 2 Unprotected picks - or even 1 Unprotected pick.

And Keegan for Grant? Not a chance in hell. SAC wont make Keegan avaliable in a Lauri trade much less in a move for Grant.

[HoopsFanAZ]

Grant was coming up on a contract Detroit wasn’t paying. It was get what they could while sending him where he wanted. Good for both.

He’s not trying to go elsewhere, and there’s no hurry on a soon to expire contract. No pressure on the Blazers. The pressure is on the Lakers, and Portland is willing with a Rich Paul client.

Detroit sold low. Different circumstances but accomplished their goals as did Portland.

Portland is selling high in a tight market for buyers … especially the Lakers. Grants fits their needs and timeline.

[Walton1one]

Outsider with a comment on Lakers:

In the 2014 to 2017 period they had 3 consecutive Top 4 Protected Picks where they landed Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball and DeAngelo Russell. They never had to convey a 1rst Round Pick. The Lakers decided to tank for 3 straight years and had 3 consecutive #2 picks.

The Lakers modus operandi is to find some fool who will take protected picks in years they intend to bottom out (like after LeBron retires in the hopes of running the Las Vegas franchise soon to be awarded). Hopefully someone in Portland is wise to the Fakers game.

This is a good observation and POR fans (Cronin?) arguing that Grant is worth (2) 1st round picks, need to ask themselves this question:

Is (1) unprotected or lightly protected (Top 3/5 at most) better value?
or
Is getting (2) lottery protected picks better value?

I would argue the former by a wide margin, sometimes less is more and in trading for LAL picks, I think that is the case. The less wiggle room LAL has attached to a pick, the better. Now maybe POR could angle for a pick swap instead of getting a second 1st round pick, but I wouldn't press for that at the cost of having to add protections to the 1st round pick they would receive.

[BlazersBroncos]

I would just take the single FRP - especially if Rui is in the deal. I refuse to believe any team will offer 2 FRP for Grant - well maybe NYK if they had the matching salary (They dont) would offer the 2 fake'ish FRP from WAS + DET. Thats the type of '2 FRP' deal I could see for Grant.

I dont see Rui as a building block or anything but he is somewhat young at least, and will expire sooner than Grant. Gives us an actual stopgap / bridge while we chart the development of Camara + Rayan this year and potentially a FRP F next year.

[Walton1one]

I agree, (2) 1st round picks sounds great and all, but if they are both lottery\highly protected and turn into 2nd's if not conveyed, how valuable are they really?

[Tim Lehrbach]

I would just take the single FRP - especially if Rui is in the deal. I refuse to believe any team will offer 2 FRP for Grant - well maybe NYK if they had the matching salary (They dont) would offer the 2 fake'ish FRP from WAS + DET. Thats the type of '2 FRP' deal I could see for Grant.

This, and I think we also need to relax any expectations that even a single first-round pick attached to Rui and filler will be unprotected or merely lightly protected. Grant is a good player but the salaries attached to whatever pick, if any, is traded for him have value to their teams too. And, Mikal Bridges trade notwithstanding, the worth of first round picks just seems to keep rising. Grant's just not a guy you make a dramatic move for, more like a guy you buy low on. I see Rui, Vincent, Vanderbilt, and a lotto-protected first rounder (or worse) for Grant and Reath being the best-case LAL scenario.

I still think Portland might as well keep him for the price I believe he's likely to fetch (which does not include the oft-discussed LAL package or any quality draft capital). But I know others want him shipped out, so I'm just saying to prepare for an underwhelming return.

[HoopsFanAZ]

Grant may be Portland’s best current player, but he’d be 3rd on the Lakers. How many 3rd best on a team are better than Grant? AND how many could the Lakers get without giving up 2 1st rounders? And the role players on the Lakers are WHY they’re looking at Kuzma (a modest improvement from a BAD team), others and Grant — an actual improvement.

Let them eat static. The Lakers have to improve to have a reasonable shot, and everyone in the League knows it. The Warriors lose Klay, but they actually made nice pick-ups.