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The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

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Assuming this is the last major addition, are you more excited than you were last offseason?

Yes
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No
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About the same
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1721 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:32 pm

Bogyo wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Thoughts from PHNX on the great under the radar signing of Tyus Jones for the Suns. The front office is making many very impressive moves to get us on track! And should get their flowers for doing so after so much previous disappointing decisions and outcomes.


Really? Not in my book. If you do the most logical thing (that everybody and their grandmother was SCREAMING for quite a while) in your job, then are you really supposed to get your "flowers"? I dont think so, and I dont get it... like when he brought in Rubio and everyone was claiming he was a genious... That was the move everyone saw, wanted, the team needed it, the players involved needed it, the coaches needed it, basically it was the most simple, logical move ever... Is he a genious for that? I dont think so - plus he started fkg up the assets of the team there with the TJ giveaway... So no, no flowers from me. I happily acknowledge the fact that he did something very logical (for once), and did not manage to fk it up some other way.


Sure man! I can understand that perspective. My assessment however is cumulative that allows me to give them some (not all) credit for making noticeably better movies than have previously been made from our front office. Now do I expect it to at all change our trajectory or render a championship outcome for us?.....................OF COURSE NOT! Do I suspect that in doing some of these moves we're maybe just "spinning our wheels" and will still fall short of our lofty goals yet again? ABSOLUTELY!

However, I can still say with a modicum of reasonable objectivity that they're showing patterns of improved decision-making/ discernment if even to a measurable degree. Now when you make the stark comparison between the usual prior head scratching and incredibly obtuse, even detrimental decisions made prior to these current decisions in:

- Actually keeping their draft picks, and drafting players to develop.
- Actually resigning players instead of just letting them walk for nothing.
- Making trades to actually bring in more productive players.
- Finding ways to actually sign higher tiered/higher impact free agents than the usual low end incredibly washed cast-off garbage heap options.
- Bringing in more notable, respected, proven, high-end names for the coaching bench/front office roles.
- Actually bringing back a legitimate G League team to farm young talent rather than embarrassingly being the only NBA team without one.

These considerations in my personal opinion show that steps in the right direction are finally being recognized, acknowledged, and addressed. Now I'm not giving any specific person sole credit for this, but again am choosing to give at last a measure of recognition to such better judgments being made in comparison to the absolute "sh**show" we had to endure before. We all can choose to view our current situation through whatever individual lens we choose my friend, But for my part, even though I've not at all been much of a fan of the majority of the decisions made by this front office, I can reasonably and objectively find this medial improvement encouraging and give them their recognition for the measurably better decisions. I'd rather see some than none at all. :wink:
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1722 » by sunsbg » Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:32 pm

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sunsbg wrote:US game was a proof Booker and KD should focus more on shooting 3s than ISO/midrange after combining for 9/10.
Eh, shorter 3 point line is basically a middy


Not shorter at the corners. With Jones/Nurkic PnRs and Beal penetrating, coach supposedly demanding more 3s they should get a lot of those shots as long as they commit to it.
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Post#1723 » by Saberestar » Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:52 pm

KD with an exhibition. 23 points in 16 minutes. Easy.Money.Sniper.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1724 » by bigfoot » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:49 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Bogyo wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Thoughts from PHNX on the great under the radar signing of Tyus Jones for the Suns. The front office is making many very impressive moves to get us on track! And should get their flowers for doing so after so much previous disappointing decisions and outcomes.


Really? Not in my book. If you do the most logical thing (that everybody and their grandmother was SCREAMING for quite a while) in your job, then are you really supposed to get your "flowers"? I dont think so, and I dont get it... like when he brought in Rubio and everyone was claiming he was a genious... That was the move everyone saw, wanted, the team needed it, the players involved needed it, the coaches needed it, basically it was the most simple, logical move ever... Is he a genious for that? I dont think so - plus he started fkg up the assets of the team there with the TJ giveaway... So no, no flowers from me. I happily acknowledge the fact that he did something very logical (for once), and did not manage to fk it up some other way.


Sure man! I can understand that perspective. My assessment however is cumulative that allows me to give them some (not all) credit for making noticeably better movies than have previously been made from our front office. Now do I expect it to at all change our trajectory or render a championship outcome for us?.....................OF COURSE NOT! Do I suspect that in doing some of these moves we're maybe just "spinning our wheels" and will still fall short of our lofty goals yet again? ABSOLUTELY!

However, I can still say with a modicum of reasonable objectivity that they're showing patterns of improved decision-making/ discernment if even to a measurable degree. Now when you make the stark comparison between the usual prior head scratching and incredibly obtuse, even detrimental decisions made prior to these current decisions in:

- Actually keeping their draft picks, and drafting players to develop.
- Actually resigning players instead of just letting them walk for nothing.
- Making trades to actually bring in more productive players.
- Finding ways to actually sign higher tiered/higher impact free agents than the usual low end incredibly washed cast-off garbage heap options.
- Bringing in more notable, respected, proven, high-end names for the coaching bench/front office roles.
- Actually bringing back a legitimate G League team to farm young talent rather than embarrassingly being the only NBA team without one.

These considerations in my personal opinion show that steps in the right direction are finally being recognized, acknowledged, and addressed. Now I'm not giving any specific person sole credit for this, but again am choosing to give at last a measure of recognition to such better judgments being made in comparison to the absolute "sh**show" we had to endure before. We all can choose to view our current situation through whatever individual lens we choose my friend, But for my part, even though I've not at all been much of a fan of the majority of the decisions made by this front office, I can reasonably and objectively find this medial improvement encouraging and give them their recognition for the measurably better decisions. I'd rather see some than none at all. :wink:


Honestly how did the front office ever do logical stuff when Robert Sarver was the owner. This is really the second off season for new ownership. Last year hiring Vogel, the trade acquisitions of Beal, Grayson, Nurk, O'Neale, Little and Goodwin and then vet min sigings of three point shooters in Yuta, KBD, and Metu plus Bol and Eubanks, sounded all like good moves. Definitely a positive year for the front office compared to the Sarver era. Problem was none of the role players panned out and the coach was a bomb. However, Grayson, O'Neale, Bol, and Nurk were all good gets last year.

Now this year the FO has hired Bud, retained Allen, O'Neale, Okogie, and Bol. They signed Jones, Morris, and Plumlee addressing positions of concern in the team. Added two rookies. Undid the G-League debacle when cheap-azz Sarver sold the team. How anyone can complain about the front office or the new owner is beyond me. These type of moves would never have been made under Sarver. Free agents just didn't want to come to Phoenix because of bad ownership.

Really the only negative right now is Nassir Little. Maybe Bud can make something happen with him or James Jones can find a team to take him for one more roster upgrade.

Point is, at the beginning of last season, everyone thought the team had a chance at a ring. I would say the same thing this season. That should be the initial measuring stick of the front office. When it becomes apparent the Suns don't have a shot at ring, then the rebuild can commence, and then you can evaluate the front office on draft capital acquisition.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1725 » by bigfoot » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:53 pm

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Post#1726 » by Saberestar » Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:24 pm

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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1727 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Jul 28, 2024 11:58 pm

Bogyo wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Nurkic had our best +/- he is huge now for Jones pick and roll.

He gets into the paint and can find Booker, Durant, Beal, Allen for 3 at 40%.

Budenholzer plays drop coverage which is why we got Plumlee. Jones and Morris size is an advantage to chase over screens in that system.

Our structure is perfectly set now, could upgrade defensive talent.

Jones, Booker, O'Neale, Durant, Nurkic
Morris, Beal, Allen, Bol, Plumlee

Really love that balance


Yep, much better than last year for sure, but I think we still (desperatley?) need some kind of upgrade at "big". I know what Nurk brings to the table and I like it, but I see the flaws. Same for Plumlee - age will be a factor there too. Both can easily get injured in this point of their carreers. I like Bol too, and I hope he can develop a little more, but I don't think is is the answer on a contender - if we are one. We have to make some kind of move on this - I think that could be the missing piece... Even if we trade Allen for a similar overall player (maybe even a lesser player and a pick?) who brings more of this balance to the team could be crucial when its all said and done. Makes too much sense. Allen for WCJ+Da Silva (who looks like a Oubre-lite type player as of now) works...

Yeah I thought since we resigned Grayson that he would likely be the next guy traded only because he has the most value outside of the Big 3. As much as I wish it would be Nurk over Grayson, I just don't think he has the value and I don't see any team downgrading at the same position unless we really juice up the offer with the 31 pick and even then, looking at the C's at or under $18m, it's pretty underwhelming.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1728 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:16 am

Bogyo wrote:
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garrick wrote:
Good point.

Maybe EJ Liddell or D.Lee?

We are already counting on Liddell being waived, cut or traded to a team absorbing his salary...but the FO need to do it to be able to sign Tyus.

I doubt they make another move to clear a roster spot. The 15-man roster is set but they can add another 2-way player.


And thats just not very smart front-officeing,no matter how you slice it. You have The Okogies and Lee's taking up roster spots and money on a contender (?) while Precious and other better players are sitting on the sidelines waiting for a vet min contract...

DLee could be waived. Okogie could be waived for the right guy if we're unable to find a trade for him since ultimately it's only a 1 year deal. And Monte could also be waived or dumped to a cap space team for the right guy. Likewise with Plumlee. I still don't mind the Okogie signing. We had one opportunity to create an $8m salary for trades and we did it.

Ultimately, it depends who that "right" guy is and how right he is for the team for us to make some sacrifices. There's ways to create roster spots.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1729 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:48 am

Bogyo wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Thoughts from PHNX on the great under the radar signing of Tyus Jones for the Suns. The front office is making many very impressive moves to get us on track! And should get their flowers for doing so after so much previous disappointing decisions and outcomes.


Really? Not in my book. If you do the most logical thing (that everybody and their grandmother was SCREAMING for quite a while) in your job, then are you really supposed to get your "flowers"? I dont think so, and I dont get it... like when he brought in Rubio and everyone was claiming he was a genious... That was the move everyone saw, wanted, the team needed it, the players involved needed it, the coaches needed it, basically it was the most simple, logical move ever... Is he a genious for that? I dont think so - plus he started fkg up the assets of the team there with the TJ giveaway... So no, no flowers from me. I happily acknowledge the fact that he did something very logical (for once), and did not manage to fk it up some other way.

I don't really agree with this sentiment.

A move being logical doesn't take away from the actual work behind the scenes to get it done. If we landed Lebron in 2014 or whatever that offseason was, would you not give the front office their flowers because everyone and their grandmother knew adding Lebron James is a no brainer?

You still have to do the work, recruiting/pitching, sell them on the role, sell them on the offer etc etc. And just because a player you think is still out there that is better, DOESN'T mean they want to come here for various different reasons. Maybe they want to go to a team where there's a possibility they could start. Maybe they want to go to a team with guaranteed role and 25mpg. Maybe they want to go to a team that could resign them after a season. Maybe they want to wait to see what Team B is doing before signing with Team A. Maybe they don't want to play for Bud. Maybe they don't want to to play with Book/KD etc etc. Maybe they prefer to stay in the East. Who knows

With Tyus, ATL and MEM were on his radar and both could've offered substantially more money (neither are in the 1st apron yet I don't believe) to sign with them. For us to actually land someone of Tyus' calibre with literally the only offer on the table that everyone else in the league could see (vet min) and many could beat, is in fact a big time win and we should give the front office their flowers.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1730 » by garrick » Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:51 am

bigfoot wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Bogyo wrote:
Really? Not in my book. If you do the most logical thing (that everybody and their grandmother was SCREAMING for quite a while) in your job, then are you really supposed to get your "flowers"? I dont think so, and I dont get it... like when he brought in Rubio and everyone was claiming he was a genious... That was the move everyone saw, wanted, the team needed it, the players involved needed it, the coaches needed it, basically it was the most simple, logical move ever... Is he a genious for that? I dont think so - plus he started fkg up the assets of the team there with the TJ giveaway... So no, no flowers from me. I happily acknowledge the fact that he did something very logical (for once), and did not manage to fk it up some other way.


Sure man! I can understand that perspective. My assessment however is cumulative that allows me to give them some (not all) credit for making noticeably better movies than have previously been made from our front office. Now do I expect it to at all change our trajectory or render a championship outcome for us?.....................OF COURSE NOT! Do I suspect that in doing some of these moves we're maybe just "spinning our wheels" and will still fall short of our lofty goals yet again? ABSOLUTELY!

However, I can still say with a modicum of reasonable objectivity that they're showing patterns of improved decision-making/ discernment if even to a measurable degree. Now when you make the stark comparison between the usual prior head scratching and incredibly obtuse, even detrimental decisions made prior to these current decisions in:

- Actually keeping their draft picks, and drafting players to develop.
- Actually resigning players instead of just letting them walk for nothing.
- Making trades to actually bring in more productive players.
- Finding ways to actually sign higher tiered/higher impact free agents than the usual low end incredibly washed cast-off garbage heap options.
- Bringing in more notable, respected, proven, high-end names for the coaching bench/front office roles.
- Actually bringing back a legitimate G League team to farm young talent rather than embarrassingly being the only NBA team without one.

These considerations in my personal opinion show that steps in the right direction are finally being recognized, acknowledged, and addressed. Now I'm not giving any specific person sole credit for this, but again am choosing to give at last a measure of recognition to such better judgments being made in comparison to the absolute "sh**show" we had to endure before. We all can choose to view our current situation through whatever individual lens we choose my friend, But for my part, even though I've not at all been much of a fan of the majority of the decisions made by this front office, I can reasonably and objectively find this medial improvement encouraging and give them their recognition for the measurably better decisions. I'd rather see some than none at all. :wink:


Honestly how did the front office ever do logical stuff when Robert Sarver was the owner. This is really the second off season for new ownership. Last year hiring Vogel, the trade acquisitions of Beal, Grayson, Nurk, O'Neale, Little and Goodwin and then vet min sigings of three point shooters in Yuta, KBD, and Metu plus Bol and Eubanks, sounded all like good moves. Definitely a positive year for the front office compared to the Sarver era. Problem was none of the role players panned out and the coach was a bomb. However, Grayson, O'Neale, Bol, and Nurk were all good gets last year.

Now this year the FO has hired Bud, retained Allen, O'Neale, Okogie, and Bol. They signed Jones, Morris, and Plumlee addressing positions of concern in the team. Added two rookies. Undid the G-League debacle when cheap-azz Sarver sold the team. How anyone can complain about the front office or the new owner is beyond me. These type of moves would never have been made under Sarver. Free agents just didn't want to come to Phoenix because of bad ownership.

Really the only negative right now is Nassir Little. Maybe Bud can make something happen with him or James Jones can find a team to take him for one more roster upgrade.

Point is, at the beginning of last season, everyone thought the team had a chance at a ring. I would say the same thing this season. That should be the initial measuring stick of the front office. When it becomes apparent the Suns don't have a shot at ring, then the rebuild can commence, and then you can evaluate the front office on draft capital acquisition.


You can't place all the blame on Sarver it's definitely the working of James Jones or more like the laziness of JJ in not aggressively pursuing free agents.

Tyus Jones said coach Bud and Ishbia recruited him hard which was one of the reasons he decided to sign here, when during the JJ era did we ever aggressively go after any player in free agency?

I guess Monty was part of the problem too, too nonchalant and complacent in what they had they never seriously upgraded the roster after 2021 which led to our downfall.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1731 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:16 am

garrick wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Sure man! I can understand that perspective. My assessment however is cumulative that allows me to give them some (not all) credit for making noticeably better movies than have previously been made from our front office. Now do I expect it to at all change our trajectory or render a championship outcome for us?.....................OF COURSE NOT! Do I suspect that in doing some of these moves we're maybe just "spinning our wheels" and will still fall short of our lofty goals yet again? ABSOLUTELY!

However, I can still say with a modicum of reasonable objectivity that they're showing patterns of improved decision-making/ discernment if even to a measurable degree. Now when you make the stark comparison between the usual prior head scratching and incredibly obtuse, even detrimental decisions made prior to these current decisions in:

- Actually keeping their draft picks, and drafting players to develop.
- Actually resigning players instead of just letting them walk for nothing.
- Making trades to actually bring in more productive players.
- Finding ways to actually sign higher tiered/higher impact free agents than the usual low end incredibly washed cast-off garbage heap options.
- Bringing in more notable, respected, proven, high-end names for the coaching bench/front office roles.
- Actually bringing back a legitimate G League team to farm young talent rather than embarrassingly being the only NBA team without one.

These considerations in my personal opinion show that steps in the right direction are finally being recognized, acknowledged, and addressed. Now I'm not giving any specific person sole credit for this, but again am choosing to give at last a measure of recognition to such better judgments being made in comparison to the absolute "sh**show" we had to endure before. We all can choose to view our current situation through whatever individual lens we choose my friend, But for my part, even though I've not at all been much of a fan of the majority of the decisions made by this front office, I can reasonably and objectively find this medial improvement encouraging and give them their recognition for the measurably better decisions. I'd rather see some than none at all. :wink:


Honestly how did the front office ever do logical stuff when Robert Sarver was the owner. This is really the second off season for new ownership. Last year hiring Vogel, the trade acquisitions of Beal, Grayson, Nurk, O'Neale, Little and Goodwin and then vet min sigings of three point shooters in Yuta, KBD, and Metu plus Bol and Eubanks, sounded all like good moves. Definitely a positive year for the front office compared to the Sarver era. Problem was none of the role players panned out and the coach was a bomb. However, Grayson, O'Neale, Bol, and Nurk were all good gets last year.

Now this year the FO has hired Bud, retained Allen, O'Neale, Okogie, and Bol. They signed Jones, Morris, and Plumlee addressing positions of concern in the team. Added two rookies. Undid the G-League debacle when cheap-azz Sarver sold the team. How anyone can complain about the front office or the new owner is beyond me. These type of moves would never have been made under Sarver. Free agents just didn't want to come to Phoenix because of bad ownership.

Really the only negative right now is Nassir Little. Maybe Bud can make something happen with him or James Jones can find a team to take him for one more roster upgrade.

Point is, at the beginning of last season, everyone thought the team had a chance at a ring. I would say the same thing this season. That should be the initial measuring stick of the front office. When it becomes apparent the Suns don't have a shot at ring, then the rebuild can commence, and then you can evaluate the front office on draft capital acquisition.


You can't place all the blame on Sarver it's definitely the working of James Jones or more like the laziness of JJ in not aggressively pursuing free agents.

Tyus Jones said coach Bud and Ishbia recruited him hard which was one of the reasons he decided to sign here, when during the JJ era did we ever aggressively go after any player in free agency?

I guess Monty was part of the problem too, too nonchalant and complacent in what they had they never seriously upgraded the roster after 2021 which led to our downfall.

There's two guys that has the biggest sway. The owner (money) and coach (the role), it makes sense they made the biggest pitch. Especially with Ishbia's energy and inserting himself into everything, it doesn't surprise me Ishbia was in every single pitch meeting. And Bud is the only guy who could promise him a starting role and have the power to make it happen on court.

As for the players we've added under JJ. Crowder, Rubio, Oubre, McGee, Biyombo, Ross, EG, Bol, Thad Young etc. All dudes who conceivably could've gone anywhere else but chose to come to Phoenix. IMO he's been more impressive to me with what he's been able to do with only the vet min to offer than when he's had cap space. When he had cap space and exceptions to use, he likely was hamstrung by what Sarver allowed him to spend.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1732 » by Qwigglez » Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:15 am

Was in the middle of writing something about getting Tyus Jones yesterday but forgot to post it. Super pumped about the signing and likely the last major piece the Suns are adding before the season starts.
Having Tyus Jones start is the best option going forward so Beal and Booker don't have to bring the ball up the court and can focus on scoring. This is a dream lineup for a PG of Tyus Jone's ability with Beal, Book, and KD. I wouldn't be surprised to run some sort of small ball with Grayson Allen but more than likely Royce O'Neal, or even perhaps Bol Bol to really spread the court out and push the tempo.

You cannot hate on Ishbia for what he's done. He's passionate about bringing the best team forward and doesn't care about the financial repercussions of it, he's truly a fans favorite kind of owner.

I'm pretty excited about this upcoming season!
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Post#1733 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:24 am

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Post#1734 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:11 am

Jones is going to run a lot of pick and roll with Nurkic, then you have Booker and Durant, I don't think Beal starts unless he wants to be Shamet in the corner.
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Post#1735 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:22 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Jones is going to run a lot of pick and roll with Nurkic, then you have Booker and Durant, I don't think Beal starts unless he wants to be Shamet in the corner.

As per Bud's own comments, I anticipate a lot more ball movement, more off-ball movement, everyone from 1-4 will use each other as screens to get open to make a play and I do think we'll see an overall decrease in the number of middys taken which in turn will be offset by an increase in the number of 3PT's attempted.

These are all hallmarks of a Bud offense and if you recall the Milwaukee team that won the title, they had Jrue, Middleton and Giannis all being the PnR ball handler with all of them setting screens for each other and/or using Brook/Bobby as a screener. So I expect we'll see Book, Beal, KD and Jones all have a hand in running the PnR and not exclusively Jones.

Bud's "playing random" philosophy is based on player versatility and offensive fluidity. Which means it's not always having a traditional PG running a traditional PnR with a traditional big but it could be having any player with the right skill set to be the PnR ball handler when the offensive opportunity arises. So I really don't think just because we now have Jones, who is by most measures a traditional PG, will mean Beal is relegated to Shamet status. Shamet is Shamet in the corner because Shamet basically no other value than to be a spot up shooter. Beal obviously offers far more offensively than Shamet so I expect we'll continue to involve him offensively
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1736 » by bigfoot » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:10 pm

Liddell official acquired today just about one hour ago. Will he be waived immediately or does he go to training camp and compete with Damion Lee for a spot?

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Post#1738 » by Saberestar » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:22 pm

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KD and Budenholzer are already on the same page. Noice.

Budenholzer said in his press conference that he wants his team to play RANDOM basketball.
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Post#1739 » by Saberestar » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:24 pm

bigfoot wrote:Liddell official acquired today just about one hour ago. Will he be waived immediately or does he go to training camp and compete with Damion Lee for a spot?

I expect Liddell to be out of the team in the next few days.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1740 » by bigfoot » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:45 pm

Saberestar wrote:
bigfoot wrote:Liddell official acquired today just about one hour ago. Will he be waived immediately or does he go to training camp and compete with Damion Lee for a spot?

I expect Liddell to be out of the team in the next few days.


I don't understand the need to cut him right away. Let him go through training camp and see how he fairs. The Suns are on the small side at the forward position and he fills that gap. He is young as well. If the Suns cut him just before the season starts he could then fill their final two-way spot.

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