My Sexton/Kessler to LAL deal..

[jayjaysee]

Just because..

Utah: Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2026 unprotected, 2027 swap (right to swap with Minn/Cleveland/Utah), 2028 top 4 protected (2x)

LAL: Sexton, Kessler, later of 2025 Minn/Cleveland firsts, 2027 LAL first returned.

Utah: Ainge takes a risk that LAL won’t be able to retool after LBJ and potentially upgrades 3 firsts. They can work on flipping Vandy after. But he’s a good example around the kids anyways.

LAL: LAL bets on themselves and trades control of their firsts for 3 years to bring in two good fitting role players.

With DAR as the salary matching, it feels too good for Utah.

But maybe Ainge needs to know the home for Vanderbilt before doing it?

Does Dallas do Maxi? Does Sac do something around Lyles or Huerter? Something with Chicago?

[bgrep14]

probably have to remove any of the picks or swaps that Utah is sending to LA for Utah to consider. Vanderbilt is pretty average, Vincents a big time negative, Sexton and Kessler are probably worth at least a protected first each by themselves.

[babyjax13]

I think there is an easier deal if the 27 pick is unprotected and we are sent an unprotected 29 pick, as well.

Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protections removed), 2029 LAL 1st (unprotected)
Sexton, Kessler

IMO, Sexton is worth a loosely protected first on his own, and Kessler is probably worth a top 10 protected pick on his own, too. Then we are also taking back Vincent's contract (there should be some marginal value for trading for a bad deal). There is only a thin chance the 27 1st doesn't convey already, but I would love to have access to the upside. I'd also be open to doing some clever trading to switch the years of the picks to 2026 and 2028 since we don't have picks in those years.

RE Vanderbilt: I'd like him back. I think he'd be a good lockerroom presence and help some of the young guys see the level of effort needed to succeed in the league.

[jayjaysee]

Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protections removed), 2029 LAL 1st (unprotected)
Sexton, Kessler.

Think the teams need to meet in middle somewhere?

I think upgrading the picks is worth taking what looks like a loss on accumulated value... We’ve seen Presti do it the last few years. Ainge should have noticed and take same approach.

[babyjax13]

Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protections removed), 2029 LAL 1st (unprotected)
Sexton, Kessler.

Think the teams need to meet in middle somewhere?

I think upgrading the picks is worth taking what looks like a loss on accumulated value... We’ve seen Presti do it the last few years. Ainge should have noticed and take same approach.

I just don't see a reason to accept less value than we think they are worth. Both guys are young and good enough to be part of a rebuild. If we were trading guys like Conley, I might agree.

[nzahir]

Is Sexton even better than Dlo?

Not shooting our load for a potential upgrade over DLO (if even) and a C who isn't going to stretch the floor

[jayjaysee]

Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protections removed), 2029 LAL 1st (unprotected)
Sexton, Kessler.

Think the teams need to meet in middle somewhere?

I think upgrading the picks is worth taking what looks like a loss on accumulated value... We’ve seen Presti do it the last few years. Ainge should have noticed and take same approach.

I just don't see a reason to accept less value than we think they are worth. Both guys are young and good enough to be part of a rebuild. If we were trading guys like Conley, I might agree.

Both guys are young enough to be a part of a rebuild, but Utah has at least 8 firsts in the next 3 drafts, and none of their current prospects are guarantees to be top 3-4 starters on a competitive team. If it weren’t for Brown/Tatum, a lot more focus would be put on Young, Sullinger, etc..

I’d rather upgrade the picks I have than walk away and waste a year of their value, because I can’t get what I dreamt of

[jayjaysee]

Is Sexton even better than Dlo?

Not shooting our load for a potential upgrade over DLO (if even) and a C who isn't going to stretch the floor

That’s why DAR isn’t involved in the trade.. keeping one on the court at all times is the idea. Minimal overlap..

And this isn’t spending all the draft capital. Next offseason, LAL will be back to being able to offer the Minnesota 2025 first, 2030 and 2032 firsts and swaps on 29/31.. Pretty similar to this years offer that didn’t get anyone. But there’s always a chance.

And it doesn’t push a first past AD’s contract. So if the team fails in bringing a new star, at least you have 34 year old AD and roleplayers..

[babyjax13]

Is Sexton even better than Dlo?

Not shooting our load for a potential upgrade over DLO (if even) and a C who isn't going to stretch the floor

+/- stats say they are really similar (Sexton on left):

+1.9BPM vs. +0.9BPM
+0.7 DARKO vs. +1.1
+0.6 CPM vs. + 0.6CPM

Sexton is a more efficient scorer (60.7%TS, 39.4% 3-PT vs. 58.8%TS, 41.5% 3-PT) and is more reliable at creating his own shot. I think his +/- metrics would also be better if he were in the same role starting at the beginning of the season rather than 25 games in (21p 2.6r 5.6a as a starter on 61.8%TS and 41.1% 3-PT in 51 starts). He is also ~3 years younger than DLo (25 vs 28) and has shown a lot of improvement as a playmaker in Utah (still more of a combo guard, but one that does a lot of facilitating and uses his rim-pressure to create advantages). I'd be happy to keep him and see if he blows up next year, because I think it is coming at some point (something like 25/3/5 on 60%+TS).

[babyjax13]

Think the teams need to meet in middle somewhere?

I think upgrading the picks is worth taking what looks like a loss on accumulated value... We’ve seen Presti do it the last few years. Ainge should have noticed and take same approach.

I just don't see a reason to accept less value than we think they are worth. Both guys are young and good enough to be part of a rebuild. If we were trading guys like Conley, I might agree.

Both guys are young enough to be a part of a rebuild, but Utah has at least 8 firsts in the next 3 drafts, and none of their current prospects are guarantees to be top 3-4 starters on a competitive team. If it weren’t for Brown/Tatum, a lot more focus would be put on Young, Sullinger, etc..

I’d rather upgrade the picks I have than walk away and waste a year of their value, because I can’t get what I dreamt of

I'd rather trade with other teams and get better value if we decide to move on.

[jayjaysee]

I just don't see a reason to accept less value than we think they are worth. Both guys are young and good enough to be part of a rebuild. If we were trading guys like Conley, I might agree.

Both guys are young enough to be a part of a rebuild, but Utah has at least 8 firsts in the next 3 drafts, and none of their current prospects are guarantees to be top 3-4 starters on a competitive team. If it weren’t for Brown/Tatum, a lot more focus would be put on Young, Sullinger, etc..

I’d rather upgrade the picks I have than walk away and waste a year of their value, because I can’t get what I dreamt of

I'd rather trade with other teams and get better value if we decide to move on.

Yeah, of course. Always.

[nzahir]

Is Sexton even better than Dlo?

Not shooting our load for a potential upgrade over DLO (if even) and a C who isn't going to stretch the floor

That’s why DAR isn’t involved in the trade.. keeping one on the court at all times is the idea. Minimal overlap..

And this isn’t spending all the draft capital. Next offseason, LAL will be back to being able to offer the Minnesota 2025 first, 2030 and 2032 firsts and swaps on 29/31.. Pretty similar to this years offer that didn’t get anyone. But there’s always a chance.

And it doesn’t push a first past AD’s contract. So if the team fails in bringing a new star, at least you have 34 year old AD and roleplayers..

Ah I realize, Vando and Vincent....

I think I pass on Sexton if we are keeping Dlo

Its not all our draft capital, but we only have really 1 larger move to make this year

I dont see it being on a guard who is on Dlo's calibar and a C

We have 3 guys who can close games right now vs top end teams

1 of Reaves/Dlo and then Bron and AD

You can argue Rui and Vando, but then there is a talent gap

And I dont think you can close with both Reaves and Dlo since the defense adn athelticism isn't great and they aren't great enough offensively

[nzahir]

Is Sexton even better than Dlo?

Not shooting our load for a potential upgrade over DLO (if even) and a C who isn't going to stretch the floor

+/- stats say they are really similar (Sexton on left):

+1.9BPM vs. +0.9BPM
+0.7 DARKO vs. +1.1
+0.6 CPM vs. + 0.6CPM

Sexton is a more efficient scorer (60.7%TS, 39.4% 3-PT vs. 58.8%TS, 41.5% 3-PT) and is more reliable at creating his own shot. I think his +/- metrics would also be better if he were in the same role starting at the beginning of the season rather than 25 games in (21p 2.6r 5.6a as a starter on 61.8%TS and 41.1% 3-PT in 51 starts). He is also ~3 years younger than DLo (25 vs 28) and has shown a lot of improvement as a playmaker in Utah (still more of a combo guard, but one that does a lot of facilitating and uses his rim-pressure to create advantages). I'd be happy to keep him and see if he blows up next year, because I think it is coming at some point (something like 25/3/5 on 60%+TS).

The main issue with Sexton is he isn't very high volme on 3s

I feel like he is an avg shooter at best

Shot has a hitch also it seems like

I just dont see us moving assets barring a large upgrade at the guard spot

[babyjax13]

Is Sexton even better than Dlo?

Not shooting our load for a potential upgrade over DLO (if even) and a C who isn't going to stretch the floor

+/- stats say they are really similar (Sexton on left):

+1.9BPM vs. +0.9BPM
+0.7 DARKO vs. +1.1
+0.6 CPM vs. + 0.6CPM

Sexton is a more efficient scorer (60.7%TS, 39.4% 3-PT vs. 58.8%TS, 41.5% 3-PT) and is more reliable at creating his own shot. I think his +/- metrics would also be better if he were in the same role starting at the beginning of the season rather than 25 games in (21p 2.6r 5.6a as a starter on 61.8%TS and 41.1% 3-PT in 51 starts). He is also ~3 years younger than DLo (25 vs 28) and has shown a lot of improvement as a playmaker in Utah (still more of a combo guard, but one that does a lot of facilitating and uses his rim-pressure to create advantages). I'd be happy to keep him and see if he blows up next year, because I think it is coming at some point (something like 25/3/5 on 60%+TS).

The main issue with Sexton is he isn't very high volme on 3s

I feel like he is an avg shooter at best

Shot has a hitch also it seems like

I just dont see us moving assets barring a large upgrade at the guard spot

I think he's above average as a shooter but he 100% is not elite. If the Lakers are hoping for someone that shoots like Buddy (which would be a great fit) he's just not the guy. If they want someone who can be a second option when LeBron or Davis miss games, he absolutely is that guy...he'd be a great third scoring option who can keep the offense moving, and I think there is some potential that he can scale into being a second option long-term (I, personally, value him more than anyone we have drafted since Ainge took over).

But, the Lakers need to be selective on who they go for and pick their direction. Do they need to keep their assets for a post-LeBron world (i.e., can they compete if they add someone, etc.?).

Personally, I actually really like LaVine for them. His impact metrics are about the same as Sexton's, and while he costs a lot more, that also makes him attainable for a pretty marginal outlay. e.g., Russell or Hachimura, Vincent, Vanderbilt, filler for LaVine. Maybe send a second from LA or Chicago to Utah to absorb a little bit of that filler and make the salaries work better.

Davis
Hachimura
LeBron
LaVine
Reaves

or

Davis
LeBron
Reddish(?)
LaVine/Reaves
Reaves/Russell

[zimpy27]

Lakers would send DLo+Wood as the expirings.

Lakers would keep Vando and Vincent.

But otherwise it's a cool idea!

[dcstanley]

Is Sexton even better than Dlo?

Not shooting our load for a potential upgrade over DLO (if even) and a C who isn't going to stretch the floor

+/- stats say they are really similar (Sexton on left):

+1.9BPM vs. +0.9BPM
+0.7 DARKO vs. +1.1
+0.6 CPM vs. + 0.6CPM

Sexton is a more efficient scorer (60.7%TS, 39.4% 3-PT vs. 58.8%TS, 41.5% 3-PT) and is more reliable at creating his own shot. I think his +/- metrics would also be better if he were in the same role starting at the beginning of the season rather than 25 games in (21p 2.6r 5.6a as a starter on 61.8%TS and 41.1% 3-PT in 51 starts). He is also ~3 years younger than DLo (25 vs 28) and has shown a lot of improvement as a playmaker in Utah (still more of a combo guard, but one that does a lot of facilitating and uses his rim-pressure to create advantages). I'd be happy to keep him and see if he blows up next year, because I think it is coming at some point (something like 25/3/5 on 60%+TS).

The main issue with Sexton is he isn't very high volme on 3s

I feel like he is an avg shooter at best

Shot has a hitch also it seems like

I just dont see us moving assets barring a large upgrade at the guard spot

I’m not sure what the right deal is for the Lakers. I’m also not sure if Sexton is better than DLO, both have different strengths and weaknesses (DLO is a better playmaker and shooter, Sexton is better at shot creation, rim pressure, foul drawing, and should be better at defense given his physical tools)..

But I find myself drawn to a Sexton/Kessler deal because the salary matching is so easy. DLO + JHS nets you a reasonable facsimile or a potential upgrade on DLO and a young center that can finally be a solution to the Lakers dying whenever AD misses time. The Lakers could then use Vincent/Rui as salary ballast to bring on Grant, Johnson, or Kuzma or another two-way wing.

Imo, the Lakers will need to add a few quality rotation players to really improve the roster. I don’t think a trade for one player is going to do much.

[jayjaysee]

Lakers would send DLo+Wood as the expirings.

Lakers would keep Vando and Vincent.

But otherwise it's a cool idea!

If the Lakers do that, I think most any reason Utah says no goes away. They get expirings and a very good chance at upgrading 2 picks while getting a swap on top..

For LAL, it does make sense from a role perspective if you expect bounce backs from Vandy and/or Vincent.

[nzahir]

+/- stats say they are really similar (Sexton on left):

+1.9BPM vs. +0.9BPM
+0.7 DARKO vs. +1.1
+0.6 CPM vs. + 0.6CPM

Sexton is a more efficient scorer (60.7%TS, 39.4% 3-PT vs. 58.8%TS, 41.5% 3-PT) and is more reliable at creating his own shot. I think his +/- metrics would also be better if he were in the same role starting at the beginning of the season rather than 25 games in (21p 2.6r 5.6a as a starter on 61.8%TS and 41.1% 3-PT in 51 starts). He is also ~3 years younger than DLo (25 vs 28) and has shown a lot of improvement as a playmaker in Utah (still more of a combo guard, but one that does a lot of facilitating and uses his rim-pressure to create advantages). I'd be happy to keep him and see if he blows up next year, because I think it is coming at some point (something like 25/3/5 on 60%+TS).

The main issue with Sexton is he isn't very high volme on 3s

I feel like he is an avg shooter at best

Shot has a hitch also it seems like

I just dont see us moving assets barring a large upgrade at the guard spot

I’m not sure what the right deal is for the Lakers. I’m also not sure if Sexton is better than DLO, both have different strengths and weaknesses (DLO is a better playmaker and shooter, Sexton is better at shot creation, rim pressure, foul drawing, and should be better at defense given his physical tools)..

But I find myself drawn to a Sexton/Kessler deal because the salary matching is so easy. DLO + JHS nets you a reasonable facsimile or a potential upgrade on DLO and a young center that can finally be a solution to the Lakers dying whenever AD misses time. The Lakers could then use Vincent/Rui as salary ballast to bring on Grant, Johnson, or Kuzma or another two-way wing.

Imo, the Lakers will need to add a few quality rotation players to really improve the roster. I don’t think a trade for one player is going to do much.

I dont see Utah doing Sexton and Kessler for Dlo and JHS. I would even unprotect 2027, if they did that, I would agree to that

I think we could use 2-3 quality guys, unless its a true star who is a solid fit

My issue with moving Dlo is teams seem to not value him, but then want back a lot of value for guys who dont offer a lot more

Dlo was our #3 guy last season and helped us get to the playoffs

We were very bad when he didnt play

In the playoffs vs top teams he may be less useful, but we can still use him to get to the playoffs and he isn't bad in every playoff game

Similar thoughts for Rui. He can't have negative to neutral value, but then teams like Portland apparently want 2 1sts for a guy in Grant who may be a little bit better but has a horrible contract, a bit more injury issues, and is older

[bkohler]

I think you'd need to either unprotect the 28 pick or allow it to roll over to 29 if it's not conveyed; It still feels a little off for me value wise but might be a smart gamble. Sexton seem like exactly the type of player the Lakers need, someone who plays at 1000% every minute of every game so Davis/Lebron can rest a bit during the regular season.

[Karmaloop]

Credit to the OP for creativity. Unfortunately, as it's been discussed ad naseaum the holdup is going to be that protection on those picks. There's no variation of Kessler and Sexton that garners an unprotected FRP from any team with legitimate risk on that pick.

I think there is an easier deal if the 27 pick is unprotected and we are sent an unprotected 29 pick, as well.

Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protections removed), 2029 LAL 1st (unprotected)
Sexton, Kessler

IMO, Sexton is worth a loosely protected first on his own, and Kessler is probably worth a top 10 protected pick on his own, too. Then we are also taking back Vincent's contract (there should be some marginal value for trading for a bad deal). There is only a thin chance the 27 1st doesn't convey already, but I would love to have access to the upside. I'd also be open to doing some clever trading to switch the years of the picks to 2026 and 2028 since we don't have picks in those years.

RE Vanderbilt: I'd like him back. I think he'd be a good lockerroom presence and help some of the young guys see the level of effort needed to succeed in the league.

There's zero variation of Kessler and Sexton that nets the Jazz an unprotected FRP with any legitimate upside. They're not those kind of players. They're good players, but they're not guys that are going to change the direction of the franchise. IF the Jazz can get that from some other team, they should have done it yesterday. But I'd venture a guess that the league's value of Sexton and Kessler are nowhere near Danny's value.