Who do we get as a reserve PG?

[winforlose]

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We should have given this dude a roster spot.

Can he defend and hit open 3pt shots?

No idea, but he is putting up big numbers against good opponents, including team USA. Could do worse for a 3rd string with 2nd string potential.

[Battletrigger]

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We should have given this dude a roster spot.

Can he defend and hit open 3pt shots?

No idea, but he is putting up big numbers against good opponents, including team USA. Could do worse for a 3rd string with 2nd string potential.

[winforlose]

Can he defend and hit open 3pt shots?

No idea, but he is putting up big numbers against good opponents, including team USA. Could do worse for a 3rd string with 2nd string potential.

Why bang your head? Mike will be 38 next year and probably retire the year after. Assume Dilly starts we need someone to eventually become PG2 behind him. Unless you plan to bring in vet minimums to play PG2, which misses the continuity bonus.

[minimus]

We still can sign Dennis Smith Jr. for vetmin. Fits right away as elite PoA defender

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After thinking a bit, I am kind of wondering whether Daishen Nix is a better player than Carlic Jones and Dennis Smith Jr:

- he is bigger and stronger than Jones
- he looked like a solid, promising defender in SL. At least he is willing to defend, shows high effort and toughness
- he knows our system and players
- he is a streaky shooter, but he can shoot. He might be a better shooter than Smith
- his two way contract is literally cheapest possible contract

[Klomp]

After thinking a bit, I am kind of wondering whether Daishen Nix is a better player than Carlic Jones and Dennis Smith Jr:

- he is bigger and stronger than Jones
- he looked like a solid, promising defender in SL. At least he is willing to defend, shows high effort and toughness
- he knows our system and players
- he is a streaky shooter, but he can shoot. He might be a better shooter than Smith
- his two way contract is literally cheapest possible contract

This is essentially the stance Dane Moore has taken recently, if anyone cares.

Does any potential PG who decides to come here for a minimum even provide more potential for the lineup than a Daishen Nix, PJ Dozier, Joe Ingles or Nickeil Alexander-Walker could provide as the lead guard "running" the offense? I doubt it. We are talking about 14th/15th man territory, these vets don't just willingly sign on one month into free agency to ride the bench.

I think the thing people are worried about is the age of our starting PG and the age of our backup PG. If those things weren't a thing, then this wouldn't be a conversation.

[shrink]

Doogie on Tyus

“They were never really in on Tyus Jones. A lot of people hit me up saying, ‘I can’t believe Tyus is going to Phoenix for the veteran minimum.’ If you had told me on July 2nd Tyus Jones would sign for the veteran minimum, I would have said hey you’re crazy. I would have said the same thing about Gary Trent Jr. It’s the life of aprons and all that stuff, but he wasn’t coming here to be a backup. The Wolves are not demoting Mike Conley Jr. The Wolves knew that, so there were never any sort of talks between Tyus Jones and the Wolves…He will start for the Phoenix Suns. Betting on himself that he can now cash out this time next year.“

I remember Tyus saying part of the reason he went to PHX, besides a promise to start, was that they actively pursued him. I don’t know if going after him would have had him choose MIN over PHX’s position, but I’m sure that coming back home to MIN for a season had some appeal. I feel like Connelly should have had a conversation.

[minimus]

Doogie on Tyus

“They were never really in on Tyus Jones. A lot of people hit me up saying, ‘I can’t believe Tyus is going to Phoenix for the veteran minimum.’ If you had told me on July 2nd Tyus Jones would sign for the veteran minimum, I would have said hey you’re crazy. I would have said the same thing about Gary Trent Jr. It’s the life of aprons and all that stuff, but he wasn’t coming here to be a backup. The Wolves are not demoting Mike Conley Jr. The Wolves knew that, so there were never any sort of talks between Tyus Jones and the Wolves…He will start for the Phoenix Suns. Betting on himself that he can now cash out this time next year.“

I remember Tyus saying part of the reason he went to PHX, besides a promise to start, was that they actively pursued him. I don’t know if going after him would have had him choose MIN over PHX’s position, but I’m sure that coming back home to MIN for a season had some appeal. I feel like Connelly should have had a conversation.

I think it is an honest approach: TC and Finch were not going to promise starting job to Tyus. Why starting conversation?

[shrink]

Doogie on Tyus

“They were never really in on Tyus Jones. A lot of people hit me up saying, ‘I can’t believe Tyus is going to Phoenix for the veteran minimum.’ If you had told me on July 2nd Tyus Jones would sign for the veteran minimum, I would have said hey you’re crazy. I would have said the same thing about Gary Trent Jr. It’s the life of aprons and all that stuff, but he wasn’t coming here to be a backup. The Wolves are not demoting Mike Conley Jr. The Wolves knew that, so there were never any sort of talks between Tyus Jones and the Wolves…He will start for the Phoenix Suns. Betting on himself that he can now cash out this time next year.“

I remember Tyus saying part of the reason he went to PHX, besides a promise to start, was that they actively pursued him. I don’t know if going after him would have had him choose MIN over PHX’s position, but I’m sure that coming back home to MIN for a season had some appeal. I feel like Connelly should have had a conversation.

I think it is an honest approach: TC and Finch were not going to promise starting job to Tyus. Why starting conversation?

Because if the money is the same, starting for lesser-contender, distant PHX might not be much less appealing than getting major minutes (and starts when Mike is rested) on a better contender in his home town?

Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, but unless you talk to him, you don’t know what an individual player prioritizes for a year his life when he’s in this position.

[minimus]

Doogie on Tyus


I remember Tyus saying part of the reason he went to PHX, besides a promise to start, was that they actively pursued him. I don’t know if going after him would have had him choose MIN over PHX’s position, but I’m sure that coming back home to MIN for a season had some appeal. I feel like Connelly should have had a conversation.

I think it is an honest approach: TC and Finch were not going to promise starting job to Tyus. Why starting conversation?

Because if the money is the same, starting for lesser-contender, distant PHX might not be much less appealing than getting major minutes (and starts when Mike is rested) on a better contender in his home town?

Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, but unless you talk to him, you don’t know what an individual player prioritizes for a year his life when he’s in this position.

Well, it is not guaranteed that Tyus would start here when Conley is rested. Finch played NAW and McLaughlin before Monte Morris. I am big Tyus fan, but it was reported that he was seeking a starting job. Although he was starter in WAS, that team was one of the worst in NBA. But Tyus gambles because he thinks that he has a chance to get next contract as starting PG in NBA. I can't blame him.

P.S. I saw some cryptic posts from Monte last season, when he was not happy about his playing time. And I just can imagine his first reaction when PHO signed Tyus. IMO our team don't need such situation in our locker room.

[shrink]

P.S. I saw some cryptic posts from Monte last season, when he was not happy about his playing time. And I just can imagine his first reaction when PHO signed Tyus. IMO our team don't need such situation in our locker room.

If Monte wants out and will come back here, I’d offer Garza and 2nd. I think there are more minutes behind Mike Conley next year than Tyus, he knows the players, and he has that relationship with Tim Connelly. Like Conley or Tyus, this team has a need for ball control with turnover-prone players like Ant and KAT (and probably Dillingham as a rookie).

[frankenwolf]

Doogie on Tyus


I remember Tyus saying part of the reason he went to PHX, besides a promise to start, was that they actively pursued him. I don’t know if going after him would have had him choose MIN over PHX’s position, but I’m sure that coming back home to MIN for a season had some appeal. I feel like Connelly should have had a conversation.

I think it is an honest approach: TC and Finch were not going to promise starting job to Tyus. Why starting conversation?

Because if the money is the same, starting for lesser-contender, distant PHX might not be much less appealing than getting major minutes (and starts when Mike is rested) on a better contender in his home town?

Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, but unless you talk to him, you don’t know what an individual player prioritizes for a year his life when he’s in this position.

I believe Connelly is 100% behind Dilly as backup PG. Rather than undermine the rookies confidence by bringing in "insurance" you show that you stand behind him and believe in his talent/potential. While we, as fans, would like to see Tyus come back home and win a 'chip with his hometown team, that was not going to happen.

[BlacJacMac]

Doogie on Tyus

“They were never really in on Tyus Jones. A lot of people hit me up saying, ‘I can’t believe Tyus is going to Phoenix for the veteran minimum.’ If you had told me on July 2nd Tyus Jones would sign for the veteran minimum, I would have said hey you’re crazy. I would have said the same thing about Gary Trent Jr. It’s the life of aprons and all that stuff, but he wasn’t coming here to be a backup. The Wolves are not demoting Mike Conley Jr. The Wolves knew that, so there were never any sort of talks between Tyus Jones and the Wolves…He will start for the Phoenix Suns. Betting on himself that he can now cash out this time next year.“

I remember Tyus saying part of the reason he went to PHX, besides a promise to start, was that they actively pursued him. I don’t know if going after him would have had him choose MIN over PHX’s position, but I’m sure that coming back home to MIN for a season had some appeal. I feel like Connelly should have had a conversation.

I'm guessing we did have a conversation when it looked like Tyus was going to settle for the minimum. There were reports that we (along with Phoenix and 1 or 2 other teams (Lakers?)) were interested in him.

I also think that we, as fans, tend to overvalue how much players desire to "play at home".

[shrink]

Markell Fultz for the vet min?

[BlacJacMac]

Markell Fultz for the vet min?

I'd think about it if he interviewed well and Finch thought he'd fit in. I'd worry that he would expect to play as he needs to try to resurrect his career. And I don't see him being better than Dillingham - even this year.

He's such a train wreck on offense. He has no 3pt shot and he can't get to the FT line. He's a decent passer, but careless with the ball.

Really all of his value comes on defense, and because of that, I'd be more inclined to try for DSJ if we're looking for a defensive specialist at PG.

Plus Fultz is never available. He's played 18 or less games in 4 of 7 seasons, and only played 43, 60 and 72 in his "healthy" years.

[wolves_89]

Markell Fultz for the vet min?

I don't see Fultz as being worth the roughly $10M in luxury tax that would be required. His lack of shooting and health concerns make him a poor option. I'll be surprised if the Wolves fill their 15th spot before the start of the season.

[younggunsmn]

Nix sucks and I don't see a whole lot of either upside or ability to step in and contribute in a pinch from any of our 2 way players.

Skylar Mays is actually fairly serviceable with a little bit of upside, and if he makes it to Iowa and doesn't get picked off by another team I can easily see him with the club at some point this year.
He's a lot better player than Nix but unfortunately ineligible for a two way.

I am not a fan of PJ Dozier, especially as a PG option, and I think it was a mistake to give him a 1 mil guarantee with our tight cap situation. He's an exhibit-10 level player.

The question is what do you want from a 3rd PG? Do you want offense or defense? Do you want upside or experience and savvy?

I'm starting to warm up to the idea that Dennis Smith Jr would be a great add, as he plays good on ball defense which fits our culture and has been around the block a bit. He also offers an insurance policy as Dillingham's biggest hurdle in the league is going to be defense.

I know Dillingham has talent and was a high pick, but I think many are a little too optimistic on his growth curve both physically and mentally.
I was not a big fan of his summer league, and the one thing that surprised me was his poor balance which stems from his lower body still needing a lot of work.
Putting so much on Dillingham scares me a lot more than Conley's age.
But it's a classic GM power move to make a coach play a guy he drafted by not giving him a backup option.

[Klomp]

Nix sucks and I don't see a whole lot of either upside or ability to step in and contribute in a pinch from any of our 2 way players.

Skylar Mays is actually fairly serviceable with a little bit of upside, and if he makes it to Iowa and doesn't get picked off by another team I can easily see him with the club at some point this year.
He's a lot better player than Nix but unfortunately ineligible for a two way.

I am not a fan of PJ Dozier, especially as a PG option, and I think it was a mistake to give him a 1 mil guarantee with our tight cap situation. He's an exhibit-10 level player.

The question is what do you want from a 3rd PG? Do you want offense or defense? Do you want upside or experience and savvy?

I'm starting to warm up to the idea that Dennis Smith Jr would be a great add, as he plays good on ball defense which fits our culture and has been around the block a bit. He also offers an insurance policy as Dillingham's biggest hurdle in the league is going to be defense.

I know Dillingham has talent and was a high pick, but I think many are a little too optimistic on his growth curve both physically and mentally.
I was not a big fan of his summer league, and the one thing that surprised me was his poor balance which stems from his lower body still needing a lot of work.
Putting so much on Dillingham scares me a lot more than Conley's age.
But it's a classic GM power move to make a coach play a guy he drafted by not giving him a backup option.

You forgot one option.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

[minimus]

Nix sucks and I don't see a whole lot of either upside or ability to step in and contribute in a pinch from any of our 2 way players.

Skylar Mays is actually fairly serviceable with a little bit of upside, and if he makes it to Iowa and doesn't get picked off by another team I can easily see him with the club at some point this year.
He's a lot better player than Nix but unfortunately ineligible for a two way.

I am not a fan of PJ Dozier, especially as a PG option, and I think it was a mistake to give him a 1 mil guarantee with our tight cap situation. He's an exhibit-10 level player.

The question is what do you want from a 3rd PG? Do you want offense or defense? Do you want upside or experience and savvy?

I'm starting to warm up to the idea that Dennis Smith Jr would be a great add, as he plays good on ball defense which fits our culture and has been around the block a bit. He also offers an insurance policy as Dillingham's biggest hurdle in the league is going to be defense.

I know Dillingham has talent and was a high pick, but I think many are a little too optimistic on his growth curve both physically and mentally.
I was not a big fan of his summer league, and the one thing that surprised me was his poor balance which stems from his lower body still needing a lot of work.
Putting so much on Dillingham scares me a lot more than Conley's age.
But it's a classic GM power move to make a coach play a guy he drafted by not giving him a backup option.

This is one of the most depressive things I have read on this forum...

[Folklore]

Nix sucks and I don't see a whole lot of either upside or ability to step in and contribute in a pinch from any of our 2 way players.

Skylar Mays is actually fairly serviceable with a little bit of upside, and if he makes it to Iowa and doesn't get picked off by another team I can easily see him with the club at some point this year.
He's a lot better player than Nix but unfortunately ineligible for a two way.

I am not a fan of PJ Dozier, especially as a PG option, and I think it was a mistake to give him a 1 mil guarantee with our tight cap situation. He's an exhibit-10 level player.

The question is what do you want from a 3rd PG? Do you want offense or defense? Do you want upside or experience and savvy?

I'm starting to warm up to the idea that Dennis Smith Jr would be a great add, as he plays good on ball defense which fits our culture and has been around the block a bit. He also offers an insurance policy as Dillingham's biggest hurdle in the league is going to be defense.

I know Dillingham has talent and was a high pick, but I think many are a little too optimistic on his growth curve both physically and mentally.
I was not a big fan of his summer league, and the one thing that surprised me was his poor balance which stems from his lower body still needing a lot of work.
Putting so much on Dillingham scares me a lot more than Conley's age.
But it's a classic GM power move to make a coach play a guy he drafted by not giving him a backup option.

This is one of the most depressive things I have read on this forum...

Reality is too much for some I guess. I like Smith too. AJ Johnson looks a lot better than Dill to me(Hopefully I'm wrong) he's skinny but has length.

[younggunsmn]

Nix sucks and I don't see a whole lot of either upside or ability to step in and contribute in a pinch from any of our 2 way players.

Skylar Mays is actually fairly serviceable with a little bit of upside, and if he makes it to Iowa and doesn't get picked off by another team I can easily see him with the club at some point this year.
He's a lot better player than Nix but unfortunately ineligible for a two way.

I am not a fan of PJ Dozier, especially as a PG option, and I think it was a mistake to give him a 1 mil guarantee with our tight cap situation. He's an exhibit-10 level player.

The question is what do you want from a 3rd PG? Do you want offense or defense? Do you want upside or experience and savvy?

I'm starting to warm up to the idea that Dennis Smith Jr would be a great add, as he plays good on ball defense which fits our culture and has been around the block a bit. He also offers an insurance policy as Dillingham's biggest hurdle in the league is going to be defense.

I know Dillingham has talent and was a high pick, but I think many are a little too optimistic on his growth curve both physically and mentally.
I was not a big fan of his summer league, and the one thing that surprised me was his poor balance which stems from his lower body still needing a lot of work.
Putting so much on Dillingham scares me a lot more than Conley's age.
But it's a classic GM power move to make a coach play a guy he drafted by not giving him a backup option.

You forgot one option.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

I love Ingles, but he's our new Kyle Anderson wing facilitator not a PG.
He's not an option if Conely gets hurt or Dillingham gets hurt/plays his way off the floor.

He's also very old and extremely injury prone and is probably going to get the same rest/minute limiting treatment as Conley.

All the other roles are filled leaving not a lot to talk about, I just see quality PG depth as our biggest potential weakness currently.
The non-Conley minutes were pretty brutal in the playoffs, and NAW is so so so much better when he's reduced to wing defender/corner shooter instead of being asked to do things he's turrible at like bring the ball up the floor and initate offense.