Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[KnixinSix]

This, too, is the way

So you want

Brunson
DiVincenzo
Bridges
OG
Towns

?

Beautiful spacing.

That team will spread you out and seriously frustrate the defense.

Spacing/5-out/3-ball lineup:

Brunson
DiVincenzo
Bridges
OG
Towns

With a bench of Kessler/Richards, Hart, Kolek, Diop, Payne and McCullers


Big-man/rebounding lineup:

Kessler/Richards
Towns
OG
Bridges
Brunson



Defense lineup:

Kessler
OG
Bridges
Hart
Payne

[moocow007]

what's with all the Towns talk lately

we back on that? lol

Awww... don't feel too discouraged. Nothing is happening (in public). Maybe Knicks fans are supposed to learn how to use this time to refocus on other pursuits, clear their minds of concerns about the NBA, and rest their competitive urges at least until training camp begins.

Spoiler:

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NEVER happen!

lol I hear ya. That's the fun of the offseason. Knick fans are like the nerdy guy in school and we just go a call back from the hot cheerleader after leaving her a message asking if she'd go to prom with us...and while she didn't say yes, she also didn't say no.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Towns is....






















Soft

[Knicksfan1992]

Simons makes so much sense for Orlando. They should be all over that.

I think Grant just makes too much money into his 30's to really be attractive as a trade piece at this point. He hasn't been a useful player in a winning situation in a long time. I think Portland is stuck with him until maybe next offseason when it's only 2 years left until his player option (which he may end up accepting).

[BowlRips]

So you want

Brunson
DiVincenzo
Bridges
OG
Towns

?

Beautiful spacing.

That team will spread you out and seriously frustrate the defense.

Spacing/5-out/3-ball lineup:

Brunson
DiVincenzo
Bridges
OG
Towns

With a bench of Kessler/Richards, Hart, Kolek, Diop, Payne and McCullers


Big-man/rebounding lineup:

Kessler/Richards
Towns
OG
Bridges
Brunson



Defense lineup:

Kessler
OG
Bridges
Hart
Payne

sign me up!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

timelord and Mitch split time and you have a full season

And when they're both out at the same time?

Wall ya know something NoDope…that’s when Hukamania runs wild…you feel my brother

I don't respect Hulkamania, sorry.

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Also, when are you changing your name to BigShot Brunson or BigShot Bridges.

[JayTWill]

Now, I ain't a Gordon hater, but since when was Gordon considered a "great defender"? Decent and versatile, yeah. But he's also not asked to do much else out there. Green in the same boat but to a greater extend.

The better measure should be the number of All-Stars and/or All-NBA's on the team. Most had at least 2. And the teams that didn't have 2 had generational super stars. Golden State didn't win those championships with KD because of defense. Curry and KD were absolutely destroying people on the offense.

Golden State was top 2 in defense for 3 of the 4 championships in the Curry era. Obviously adding Durant gave them a greater advantage but they did win 2 times without him with the top defense in the league.

But you're talking prime Green and Klay, who were NBA All Stars and All NBA players before the KD titles. Then you had Iguodala and Barnes team defense. Those championships weren't won because of 1 player's defense.

I'm not sure if I am following your argument. You mentioned Green after referencing Gordon's versatility and him not being asked to do much I assume since both have played with generational offensive talents. You then spoke about Golden State destroying people with offense so I mentioned that they also had a top defense also in 3 of their 4 championships and won 2 without KD. You then responded talking about Green's awards which makes me wonder why you mentioned him initially since he had these awards before, during and after KD's years in Golden State. I assume all of this to show Randle's value through his offensive abilities and awards. Maybe I am wrong.

Either way Green played a huge role in their success and I don't think they win at least 2 of those championships without his defense and versatility and they may have won another championship without KD if he didn't get himself suspended for game 5 in the 2016 finals.

I don't believe there is a specific formula needed to win a championship such as a stretch 5 or a defensive 4 but roster construction and fit between the players and also the coach and front office do matter. Yes, if you have all time great talents you can overcome some obstacles. I wouldn't consider anyone on the Knicks an all time great talent but if the team has championship success over the next few years opinions could change.

I also don't believe there is some all-star/all NBA formula required to win a championship especially since there are so many factors that go into who is chosen for those awards. One of those factors is often team success so obviously the teams that eventually win the championship will likely have one award winning player or more on its roster but I wouldn't build a team on awards. After the OG trade one could easily say that OG and his zero all-star/all NBA appearances was more valuable to the team than Randle and his multiple awards and it showed the value of fit and roster construction.

Based on your argument about measuring a team based on all-star/all NBA awards shouldn't you prefer KAT and his 4 all-star appearances over Randle and his 3? I'm not a huge fan of either but I could understand why someone could prefer one or the other.

[sol537]

Golden State was top 2 in defense for 3 of the 4 championships in the Curry era. Obviously adding Durant gave them a greater advantage but they did win 2 times without him with the top defense in the league.

But you're talking prime Green and Klay, who were NBA All Stars and All NBA players before the KD titles. Then you had Iguodala and Barnes team defense. Those championships weren't won because of 1 player's defense.

I'm not sure if I am following your argument. You mentioned Green after referencing Gordon's versatility and him not being asked to do much I assume since both have played with generational offensive talents. You then spoke about Golden State destroying people with offense so I mentioned that they also had a top defense also in 3 of their 4 championships and won 2 without KD. You then responded talking about Green's awards which makes me wonder why you mentioned him initially since he had these awards before, during and after KD's years in Golden State. I assume all of this to show Randle's value through his offensive abilities and awards. Maybe I am wrong.

Either way Green played a huge role in their success and I don't think they win at least 2 of those championships without his defense and versatility and they may have won another championship without KD if he didn't get himself suspended for game 5 in the 2016 finals.

I don't believe there is a specific formula needed to win a championship such as a stretch 5 or a defensive 4 but roster construction and fit between the players and also the coach and front office do matter. Yes, if you have all time great talents you can overcome some obstacles. I wouldn't consider anyone on the Knicks an all time great talent but if the team has championship success over the next few years opinions could change.

I also don't believe there is some all-star/all NBA formula required to win a championship especially since there are so many factors that go into who is chosen for those awards. One of those factors is often team success so obviously the teams that eventually win the championship will likely have one award winning player or more on its roster but I wouldn't build a team on awards. After the OG trade one could easily say that OG and his zero all-star/all NBA appearances was more valuable to the team than Randle and his multiple awards and it showed the value of fit and roster construction.

Based on your argument about measuring a team based on all-star/all NBA awards shouldn't you prefer KAT and his 4 all-star appearances over Randle and his 3? I'm not a huge fan of either but I could understand why someone could prefer one or the other.

Good post. 100% agreed.

There are many ways to skin a cat... In the new CBA, it looks like overall team talent and fit and health will trump all whereas in the past, the teams with the best collection of hall of famers usually won out. The era of super teams seems to be over. The new era of immaculate vibes, roster balance, health, analytics, clutch factor, parity, etc. is taking over. We're positioned well in that regard.

[dukeknicksirish]

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[WargamesX]

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Yes… Yes

[kNicksGmen]

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watch the pistons claim him too

[sol537]

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watch the pistons claim him too

Grab him at the minimum then sign Precious for depth and as a trade chip. We can upgrade at the deadline. No worries.

[kNicksGmen]

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watch the pistons claim him too

Grab him at the minimum then sign Precious for depth and as a trade chip. We can upgrade at the deadline. No worries.

i'm for bringing him in. i was just joking because he still has to clear waivers right? and when Paul Reed was cut I thought he could be a good option but the Pistons claimed him.

[iLLmatic860]

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The numbers don't lie. Jerami Grant is worse than Randle in every key offensive metric except 3P% and FT%. He's so much worse of a shooter less than 10 feet from the basket that their TS numbers are almost identical. And he's worse defensively than Randle. No thank you.

Stat Grant vs. Randle

Shooting
2P% .474 vs. .539
-Rim FG% .599 vs. .689
-Paint FG% .406 vs. .469

3P% .402 vs. .311

FT% .817 vs. .781

TS% .573 vs .569

Other Main Counting Stats
REB 3.5 vs. 9.3 <-- 3.5rebs for a starting power forward is in the bottom decile of the league.
AST 2.8 vs. 5.1 <-- and you think Ju is a ball hog?

Advanced Metrics
OBPM 1.0 vs. 2.2
DBPM -1.1 vs. -0.3
VORP 0.9 vs. 1.6

I was gonna ask you, hows his defense but if its worse than Randle than what's the **** point lol. Randle is better

[Orange Mamba]

Bruno can be our next diamond in the rough. Get him!

[DaGawd]

bruno is ass..

[Jalen Bluntson]

So, August third is almost here. I don't expect anything to happen before then.

[WargamesX]

bruno is ass..

We don’t talk bad about Bruno.

[StlHawksFan]

Bruno can be our next diamond in the rough. Get him!

Worth a shot. He's better than any of the free agent centers. He's not as good as Precious but he does have about an inch and a half on him.

[The Vo Show]

I heard Fred Katz say in a podcast that Thibs was already thinking of experimenting with OG at the 5 but didn't want to do it in the middle of the season when he was just traded over. He wanted to work OG into the regular defensive schemes first then add the wrinkle of OG at the 5.

All this talk about getting a backup 5 seems to be just chatter from the media and fans I think. It seems the FO is probably looking for a backup center but might be comfortable enough with the fallback plan of running it back with Precious as the backup.

Fred Katz also mentioned that maybe they might not want to do a trade because they want to be able to have trade assets just in case any unforeseen issues pop up before the trade deadline.

I think the closing lineup of Randle, OG, Bridges, Hart/Dvo, Brunson is going to be good enough to beat most teams in the east since theres only maybe 2 teams (Phi/Bucks) that have legit bigs that can punish this lineup.