Jays 2024 Trade Deadline Thread

JTT · Post #201 » by **JTT** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:16 pm

I’m on the opposite side. The Blue Jays have started to act like a big market club and I don’t think this should be taken for granted. If revenue dips because of poor attendance, they may very well close their wallets. Vlad is a revenue driver, win or lose, he is their only player who can affect attendance. I also think that’s why he could get an oversized contract. His production might not deserve it, but his revenue value does.

I also have zero concerns about his production. He grew up Uber rich an d will retire Uber rich. His love for the game is very real. Never seen someone play with the joy that he does.

Randle McMurphy · Post #202 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:28 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:Where would you put Vlad’s ~ value right now, closer to high or low? Sincere question, realized I had him locked into ‘low’ and hadn’t adjusted to his recent play enough, so wondering what people think. If his value is indeed approaching high I’d recommend trading him, if his value is about average I’d think about it.

I'll put it this way, the only offensive player definitively better than Vlad in MLB right at this moment is Aaron Judge. That's how good he's been over the last month or so. His season numbers are also now getting closer to what he did in 2021.

You would get an absolute haul for him if you dealt him right now.

Post #203 » by **Harry Palmer** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:36 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Harry Palmer wrote:Where would you put Vlad’s ~ value right now, closer to high or low? Sincere question, realized I had him locked into ‘low’ and hadn’t adjusted to his recent play enough, so wondering what people think. If his value is indeed approaching high I’d recommend trading him, if his value is about average I’d think about it.

I'll put it this way, the only offensive player definitively better than Vlad in MLB right at this moment is Aaron Judge. That's how good he's been over the last month or so. His season numbers are also now getting closer to what he did in 2021.

You would get an absolute haul for him if you dealt him right now.

Cheers. I do think JTT made a valid point above, but I don’t know that Vlad alone makes enough difference either way.

ill-Will03 · Post #204 » by **ill-Will03** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:46 pm

If the goal is to rebuild I don’t see anyone who’s untouchable on this team, you gotta hit the hard reset. Get whatever you can for Vlad,Bo,Varsho,Gausman and whoever else has value and go all in on the tank. But I think they definitely plan to compete next year as stupid as that may be. So I don’t see them getting rid of any of those guys tbh

SharoneWright · Post #205 » by **SharoneWright** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:44 pm

JTT wrote:I’m on the opposite side. The Blue Jays have started to act like a big market club and I don’t think this should be taken for granted. If revenue dips because of poor attendance, they may very well close their wallets. Vlad is a revenue driver, win or lose, he is their only player who can affect attendance. I also think that’s why he could get an oversized contract. His production might not deserve it, but his revenue value does.

I also have zero concerns about his production. He grew up Uber rich an d will retire Uber rich. His love for the game is very real. Never seen someone play with the joy that he does.

I'll attempt to be a little more surgical regarding Vlad (from my perspective).... I do agree he "loves the game". It's fun. He also likes the limelight. What I'm not convinced of is his love for winning. I've heard him kibitz on 1st with opposing team players about the offseason BBQ back on the Island too often for me not to believe part of his "love for the game" is about the social aspect. He jokes with his opponents and puts on homer jackets like no one else.

Doesn't mean he's not a very good player. He is. I'm maybe just not one of those people who would want to pay $300 MILLION to a guy so he can have fun.

JTT · Post #206 » by **JTT** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:06 pm

Don’t get me wrong. If they could get a “Juan Soto light” package for Vlad, I’d pull the trigger or if it’s determined that they can’t resign him, then obviously they have too. What I am saying is that his value as a revenue source (both tv and attendance) is worth far more than his production. Although, I also believe that his performance is real and you do everything you can to hold on to his kind of talent at his age.

As far as $300 million to have fun…lol…whatever. If Vlad is worth $300 million from a business perspective, then that’s what he should be paid,I’m not nearly clever enough to know that. I’ll also remark that getting rid of guys who weren’t taking the game seriously enough’ coincidentally or not, was the start of their downfall.

SharoneWright · Post #207 » by **SharoneWright** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:15 pm

^
I get your revenue point.
^^
On the having too much fun point... it was at least refreshing to hear an over-the-hill 1-year Blue Jay, Justin Turner, say he felt responsibility for letting the fanbase down. Obviously his sentiments also didn't create winning, but resources are finite and that kind of money could be used on other names that drive revenue. If it's not working/winning,, I would't be afraid to try something new. Make the marketing department earn their salaries, I guess.

But ya, if it's just about driving attendance, then taking a step backward probably doesn't fit that goal.

WuTang_CMB · Post #208 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:16 pm

keep selling

dagger · Post #209 » by **dagger** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:24 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:keep selling

Things seem quiet, Jays not in any rumours 150-plus minutes from the deadline.

Ranger One · Post #210 » by **Ranger One** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:11 pm

dagger wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:keep selling

Things seem quiet, Jays not in any rumours 150-plus minutes from the deadline.

Unfortunate, was hoping we'd finally seen the last of KK. Need Varsho in CF full time. Though i dont think we'd get even a bucket of baseballs for KK right now.

Post #211 » by **Cyrus** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:31 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:keep selling

The sold, probably no one wants KK or Richards even for a bag of balls... And basically based on majority of their moves getting Triple A or High Quad A type players, they are essentially trying to retool for next year.

So you can rule out trading Bassit/Gausman /Springers/ IKF/Green... So that leaves very little else.

WuTang_CMB · Post #212 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:32 pm

Cyrus wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:keep selling

The sold, probably no one wants KK or Richards even for a bag of balls... And basically based on majority of their moves getting Triple A or High Quad A type players, they are essentially trying to retool for next year.

So you can rule out trading Bassit/Gausman /Springers/ IKF/Green... So that leaves very little else.

with these prices i would have sold bassit / gausman , i dont think this team is competing anyways next season

dagger · Post #213 » by **dagger** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:35 pm

Read on Twitter

JTT · Post #214 » by **JTT** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:38 pm

The return appears to be Jay Harry. Don't see him on their top 30 list. Here's a scouting report from when he was drafted
https://twinsdaily.com/minnesota-twins-draft-picks/2023/jay-harry-round-six/. Multi positional infielder with bat to ball skills but not much projectable power. Wow, it feels like that can be copied and pasted on most of their trade returns.

dagger · Post #215 » by **dagger** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:38 pm

dagger wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

https://www.milb.com/player/jay-harry-803385

tecumseh18 · Post #216 » by **tecumseh18** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:39 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:This may genuinely be the best trade I've seen a Toronto team pull off.

Uh, Kawhi? And if this is the real RJ, IQ lives up to his contract, Mogbo learns to shoot, and OG keeps getting his niggling injuries, then that trade with the Knicks may be even better.

As for the Jays, JP getting a scrub (Jose Bautista) from the Pirates for basically nothing (Robinzon Diaz) will always rank. OTOH, in terms of post-facto career WAR, Jays technically lost The Trade that brought in Carter and Alomar and sent out Tony F and future HOFer Fred McGriff. But flags fly forever.

Michael Bradley · Post #217 » by **Michael Bradley** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:42 pm

Can't believe the Jays aren't trading anything but rentals. What a waste. Hopefully they at least get under the tax by the end of the deadline, though that depends on how much money the Mariners are picking up on Turner and whichever team Kiermaier is traded to.

Post #218 » by **Cyrus** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:44 pm

And as I say that, they traded richards and not for a bag of balls!

Post #219 » by **Cyrus** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:45 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
Cyrus wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:keep selling

The sold, probably no one wants KK or Richards even for a bag of balls... And basically based on majority of their moves getting Triple A or High Quad A type players, they are essentially trying to retool for next year.

So you can rule out trading Bassit/Gausman /Springers/ IKF/Green... So that leaves very little else.

with these prices i would have sold bassit / gausman , i dont think this team is competing anyways next season

They have a fancy new reno stadium and seats to sell, they ain't about to go full rebuild, even if it actually needs one.

WuTang_CMB · Post #220 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:49 pm

Cyrus wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Cyrus wrote:
The sold, probably no one wants KK or Richards even for a bag of balls... And basically based on majority of their moves getting Triple A or High Quad A type players, they are essentially trying to retool for next year.

So you can rule out trading Bassit/Gausman /Springers/ IKF/Green... So that leaves very little else.

with these prices i would have sold bassit / gausman , i dont think this team is competing anyways next season

They have a fancy new reno stadium and seats to sell, they ain't about to go full rebuild, even if it actually needs one.

ya I know they are A** backwards. Just sucks these guys completely botched this team