Team Canada Basketball Thread V4.0

[TheFutureMM]

Canada is guaranteed a QF spot if Brazil and Japan lose today. Although obviously they would want to win their final game anyway to avoid playing USA in QFs.

Ideal world we avoid them until the finals. We need to get into the same pot draw as the US which means we need to finish with second overall. Germany might edge us out assuming they go 3-0 too. Of course things can change if the US lose though.

Given the strength of their group (and the weakness of Germany's), finishing second overall may not even be something fully in their control. At least if you play USA in the SFs, you'll still get a shot at a medal even if you lose.

We need France or Brazil to come up clutch and beat Germany. Japan is playing France tightly which is great.

[DG88]

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[WiggOuts]

Were one good big man away from being a gold medal contender

5 years(or whatever it is) of working/living in a country to be eligible for citizenship...Scotties almost there. If he doesn't get selected to the US team Canada better come knocking...altho I'm sure the US would be aware of this lol

We should be above this kind of thing by now.

If someone really felt at home here, became a citizen and all that, then it is what it is, but hoping for that scenario is kind of gross and desperate.

Canada had nothing to do with Scottie's development as a basketball player at the grassroots level. I know a bunch of the better Canadian players end up going to prep schools in the US, but at least they developed to that point in Canada.

That's what we need to focus on, not hoping random Raptors players really like Canada.

And kind of besides the point, but if Scottie isn't on Team USA in 2028, we (Toronto Raptors we) are ****.

I understand that pov but I think you're reaching a bit here. Since a lot of teams are vying for players that can suit up for them why should we be above it. Embiid literally had 3 country's trying to get him to suit up, under the rules, he was eligible to play for any of them. The US, who has the most stacked team and its not close, is doing this yet Canada shouldnt play the same game under the same rules because we're better than that?

I don't think what Embiid and the US did was fair at all, its pussy ass Lebron needing to have an unfair advantage written all of it...but you don't just allow that without leveling the playing field.

By no means am I suggesting Canada basketball get on their hands and knees begging this guy to join... but you gotta do your diligence and make sure he knows he has options

[WiggOuts]

Rj vs Australia
24 7 5 on 8-14, 3-6 from 3, 2 stl 5-6 ft
Again lead all scorers

[2019nbachamps]

Unfortunately it looks like we will be the 3rd seed even if we beat the Spain which would mean playing the U.S. in the semis. Germany is +16 on us and will likely beat France. France is just -1 behind us so even if both of us win, France may get the #2 seed on point differential.

We pretty much need to beat Spain by 20 and hope the France/Spain game is tight.

[CPT]

I understand that pov but I think you're reaching a bit here. Since a lot of teams are vying for players that can suit up for them why should we be above it. Embiid literally had 3 country's trying to get him to suit up, under the rules, he was eligible to play for any of them. The US, who has the most stacked team and its not close, is doing this yet Canada shouldnt play the same game under the same rules because we're better than that?

I don't think what Embiid and the US did was fair at all, its pussy ass Lebron needing to have an unfair advantage written all of it...but you don't just allow that without leveling the playing field.

By no means am I suggesting Canada basketball get on their hands and knees begging this guy to join... but you gotta do your diligence and make sure he knows he has options

I know it wouldn't be breaking any rules, I just personally think it is weak.

I made the exception that if a player truly felt "Canadian" and made the decision to get citizenship largely independent of basketball, I'd be more accepting, but I don't see that happening. If there's any type of recruitment process involved, it would feel kind of gross, and largely disrespectful to guys who spent some part of their development years in Canada.

I mean there's a whole conversation to be had about the Olympics/international sport and nationalism, but I just don't get why anyone would be proud that Scottie or whatever random Raptors player was on the team. Maybe I'd buy in after one 3-minute CBC feature of him doing Canadian things, I don't know, lol.

[frumble]

Unfortunately it looks like we will be the 3rd seed even if we beat the Spain which would mean playing the U.S. in the semis. Germany is +16 on us and will likely beat France. France is just -1 behind us so even if both of us win, France may get the #2 seed on point differential.

We pretty much need to beat Spain by 20 and hope the France/Spain game is tight.

Being the 2 seed means being in Pot D with the US (assuming they go 3-0 with a high point differential), and avoiding the US until the finals, but I don't think being the 3rd seed necessarily means playing the US in the semis.

The 3rd and 4th seeds are treated identically - they are placed in Pot E and each has a 50/50 chance of being drawn to the same half of the bracket as the US.

E.g., assume the 8 QF teams are:

1) US 3-0
2) Germany 3-0
3) Canada 3-0
4) Australia 2-1
5) France 2-1
6) Serbia 2-1
7) Japan 1-2
8) Spain 1-2

Then the pots would be:
D: US and Germany
E: Canada and Australia
F: France and Serbia
G: Japan and Spain

Then it is random to see which teams are on which half of the draw (one team from each pot is randomly assigned to each half).

So, it could be US vs Japan and Australia vs Serbia in one half, and
Canada vs France and Germany vs Spain in the other.

Or we could get put on the US side. 50/50

(It gets more complicated if the rule that you can't play a team from your group in the QFs, but in my simplified example above this is not an issue).

Passing Germany (or France) in point differential would certainly be better - it means definitely being on the other side of the breacket as the US, and it likely means an easier QF opponent (a 3rd place team such as Japan, Brazil, South Sudan, or Puerto Rico - because we can't play the 3rd place team from our group in the QFs).

But not moving up to a top 2 seed doesn't necessarily mean being on the same side of the bracket as the US.

[Beerpapi]

Unfortunately it looks like we will be the 3rd seed even if we beat the Spain which would mean playing the U.S. in the semis. Germany is +16 on us and will likely beat France. France is just -1 behind us so even if both of us win, France may get the #2 seed on point differential.

We pretty much need to beat Spain by 20 and hope the France/Spain game is tight.

Being the 2 seed means being in Pot D with the US (assuming they go 3-0 with a high point differential), and avoiding the US until the finals, but I don't think being the 3rd seed necessarily means playing the US in the semis.

The 3rd and 4th seeds are treated identically - they are placed in Pot E and each has a 50/50 chance of being drawn to the same half of the bracket as the US.

E.g., assume the 8 QF teams are:

1) US 3-0
2) Germany 3-0
3) Canada 3-0
4) Australia 2-1
5) France 2-1
6) Serbia 2-1
7) Japan 1-2
8) Spain 1-2

Then the pots would be:
D: US and Germany
E: Canada and Australia
F: France and Serbia
G: Japan and Spain

Then it is random to see which teams are on which half of the draw (one team from each pot is randomly assigned to each half).

So, it could be US vs Japan and Australia vs Serbia in one half, and
Canada vs France and Germany vs Spain in the other.

Or we could get put on the US side. 50/50

(It gets more complicated if the rule that you can't play a team from your group in the QFs, but in my simplified example above this is not an issue).

Passing Germany (or France) in point differential would certainly be better - it means definitely being on the other side of the breacket as the US, and it likely means an easier QF opponent (a 3rd place team such as Japan, Brazil, South Sudan, or Puerto Rico - because we can't play the 3rd place team from our group in the QFs).

But not moving up to a top 2 seed doesn't necessarily mean being on the same side of the bracket as the US.

I do not think that is accurate.
The Olympic website and app are clear that the quarters are based on combined ranking. No
mention of a second draw

At the top of the standings page
“ At the end of the group phase the top 8 teams from the combined ranking qualify to the Quarterfinals”

https://olympics.com/en/paris-2024/pool/basketball/men

[And1+2]

The way I see it, we are one Jamal Murray Supernova game combined with a LeBron and Embiid chokejob away from winning gold.

Better odds than you would think.

[mihaic]

What if we lose against Spain, there will be a slew of 2-1 teams possibly Spain Canada Australia, Serbia/s.Sudan, France or Germany.

[mihaic]

Unfortunately it looks like we will be the 3rd seed even if we beat the Spain which would mean playing the U.S. in the semis. Germany is +16 on us and will likely beat France. France is just -1 behind us so even if both of us win, France may get the #2 seed on point differential.

We pretty much need to beat Spain by 20 and hope the France/Spain game is tight.

Being the 2 seed means being in Pot D with the US (assuming they go 3-0 with a high point differential), and avoiding the US until the finals, but I don't think being the 3rd seed necessarily means playing the US in the semis.

The 3rd and 4th seeds are treated identically - they are placed in Pot E and each has a 50/50 chance of being drawn to the same half of the bracket as the US.

E.g., assume the 8 QF teams are:

1) US 3-0
2) Germany 3-0
3) Canada 3-0
4) Australia 2-1
5) France 2-1
6) Serbia 2-1
7) Japan 1-2
8) Spain 1-2

Then the pots would be:
D: US and Germany
E: Canada and Australia
F: France and Serbia
G: Japan and Spain

Then it is random to see which teams are on which half of the draw (one team from each pot is randomly assigned to each half).

So, it could be US vs Japan and Australia vs Serbia in one half, and
Canada vs France and Germany vs Spain in the other.

Or we could get put on the US side. 50/50

(It gets more complicated if the rule that you can't play a team from your group in the QFs, but in my simplified example above this is not an issue).

Passing Germany (or France) in point differential would certainly be better - it means definitely being on the other side of the breacket as the US, and it likely means an easier QF opponent (a 3rd place team such as Japan, Brazil, South Sudan, or Puerto Rico - because we can't play the 3rd place team from our group in the QFs).

But not moving up to a top 2 seed doesn't necessarily mean being on the same side of the bracket as the US.

I do not think that is accurate.
The Olympic website and app are clear that the quarters are based on combined ranking. No
mention of a second draw

At the top of the standings page
“ At the end of the group phase the top 8 teams from the combined ranking qualify to the Quarterfinals”

https://olympics.com/en/paris-2024/pool/basketball/men

You may be incorrect.

A couple sites explain there is a draw, with the caveat the teams that were in the same group cannot face each other. So the draw may or may not occur. Not sure what the draw process is exactly though.

Otherwise exactly as explained in the post you quoted.
See:
https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/news/olympic-basketball-bracket-group-stage-standings-2024/0338b2f0d23de07a151210fa

https://www.nbcolympics.com/news/basketball-101-olympic-competition-format-and-bracket

[WuTang_CMB]

Barrett was perhaps the biggest beneficiary of Andrew Wiggins’ 11th-hour decision to withdraw from training camp – and, yes, according to multiple sources it was his decision, not Golden State’s. Given the similarities, positionally and in terms of skill set, Wiggins would have almost certainly eaten into Barrett’s playing time and touches. Without him, the 24-year-old – and youngest player on Canada’s roster – has owned the role.

https://www.tsn.ca/talent/olympics/fernandez-pushes-right-buttons-for-canada-in-big-win-over-australia-1.2155982

[WaltFrazier]

Barrett was perhaps the biggest beneficiary of Andrew Wiggins’ 11th-hour decision to withdraw from training camp – and, yes, according to multiple sources it was his decision, not Golden State’s. Given the similarities, positionally and in terms of skill set, Wiggins would have almost certainly eaten into Barrett’s playing time and touches. Without him, the 24-year-old – and youngest player on Canada’s roster – has owned the role.

https://www.tsn.ca/talent/olympics/fernandez-pushes-right-buttons-for-canada-in-big-win-over-australia-1.2155982

This sucks, if true. The Wiggins part I mean. If he was there and playing well the depth and extra athleticism would be great. And wouldn't have to cut into RJ that much.

Lyles would have lost minutes. He was a bit invisible yesterday, we need more from him.

[SFour]

Barrett was perhaps the biggest beneficiary of Andrew Wiggins’ 11th-hour decision to withdraw from training camp – and, yes, according to multiple sources it was his decision, not Golden State’s. Given the similarities, positionally and in terms of skill set, Wiggins would have almost certainly eaten into Barrett’s playing time and touches. Without him, the 24-year-old – and youngest player on Canada’s roster – has owned the role.

https://www.tsn.ca/talent/olympics/fernandez-pushes-right-buttons-for-canada-in-big-win-over-australia-1.2155982

not surprised that it was Wiggins decision.....I was always against him being on the team because he's never been committed throughout his career, there's always some excuse with him....he doesn't show love for Canada like SGA does, and SGA is 100x better.

[kwajo]

What if we lose against Spain, there will be a slew of 2-1 teams possibly Spain Canada Australia, Serbia/s.Sudan, France or Germany.

I think they go for the win against Spain, but if we are already guaranteed a spot in the QF it wouldn't surprise me if SGA got some reduced minutes in this game to save him - and maybe some other starters too - for the games that matter more.

Would be the perfect game for Murray to get his rhythm back as he continues to play back into shape. We need him to go playoff-mode ASAP.

[PoundTown]

Barrett was perhaps the biggest beneficiary of Andrew Wiggins’ 11th-hour decision to withdraw from training camp – and, yes, according to multiple sources it was his decision, not Golden State’s. Given the similarities, positionally and in terms of skill set, Wiggins would have almost certainly eaten into Barrett’s playing time and touches. Without him, the 24-year-old – and youngest player on Canada’s roster – has owned the role.

https://www.tsn.ca/talent/olympics/fernandez-pushes-right-buttons-for-canada-in-big-win-over-australia-1.2155982

not surprised that it was Wiggins decision.....I was always against him being on the team because he's never been committed throughout his career, there's always some excuse with him....he doesn't show love for Canada like SGA does, and SGA is 100x better.

Only those close with Wiggins and Edey will know. It is their choice, but how much pressure from team's/ agents was put on them we can't know. The way Rowan talked about Wiggins to the press was that he was gutted for him. Think of it similar to it being your choice to take the jab, but if you don't you lose your job. Wouldn't be quite that extreme, as they wouldn't be able to terminate their contracts for getting hurt, but who knows how much pressure was on these guys.

[___Rand___]

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First half:

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2nd half:

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[Yeezus_]

Ideally we beat Spain by a huge margin and France beats Germany by like 1 so we’re in the same pot draw as the US by point differential.

[PoundTown]

Ideally we beat Spain by a huge margin and France beats Germany by like 1 so we’re in the same pot draw as the US by point differential.

We definitely have the potential to beat up on Spain pretty good. Need our guys to lock in defensively and this game could get away from them if we're hitting shots. They don't have one guy that'll scare you even as much as Giddey.

[jrask]

Ideally we beat Spain by a huge margin and France beats Germany by like 1 so we’re in the same pot draw as the US by point differential.

Germany could also win by 1-2 points, provided we beat Spain by a huge margin.

This would put us in the same pot as the US.