24-25 Trade Thread

[Jkam31]

I just don't even want him. I don't see him as a huge needle mover tbh. And how does the team afford Fox, Sabonis, DeRozan, Keegan, Grant, Monk? Doesn't seem realistic. That figures to be well over 200 million allocated to just those 6 guys. If the team is going to spend that much it needs to be on a serious needle mover like Lauri who makes us a contender and justifies the cost of that team.

IMO we should be looking at guys who are locked into steal contracts (Deni would have been perfect). Isiah Stewart if you believe in him is another one. Toppin, Jalen Smith, or Pat Williams if the team looks to trade them at the deadline.

Boston is somehow doing it! DD contract expires when when Keegan’s extension comes in I honestly believe we a real championship contender adding Grant for Lyle’s/Huerter

So are you suggesting the starting line-up is something like?

Fox/DDR/Keegan/Grant/Sabonis
Bench: Monk/Keon/Len

Others: Carter (in rotation when healthy)/Jones/McDaniels

That is severely lacking in size. No doubt its more talented with that swap, but you would need to find a couple of bigs that can at least give serviceable minutes regularly.

Ya that’s the lineup I’d go with Wes still have defense and shooting with an added playmaker in Grant. I think the size is fine Sabonis/len is enough most playoffs teams only have one center and big wings to go with

[OGSactownballer]

So if SAC could get Grant for less than (2) 1st's would that be worth adding his salary?

Huerter, Lyles, 30' 1st, 31' swap rights + POR 25' 2nd for Grant + max cash allowed (partial offset)

I don’t think you are understanding.

Jerami Grant is not worth ANY firsts to us. He’s a role player that has decided that he is now a score first guy and no longer is young enough to play the type of athletic defense he came into the league with. He has a $33 million dollar contract that is going to be a albatross for a team that has other more important obligations coming and he doesn’t move the needle as far as making us a guaranteed contender the way a higher quality of player at that kind of cost would do.

I agree that a bargain chance like Stewart or waiting for the deadline and seeing what the best fit/options are out there is a 10/10 better option than relieving POR of the problem they created handing Grant that ridiculous contract at his age.

[OGSactownballer]

Grant makes too much money to acquire. You would need Huerter and Lyles at minimum which would most probably put the Kings over the first apron. Haven't done the math on it though.
Portland also has 15 players so we would most likely have to pay for them to waive someone and it's not easy to find a player they would want to get off that roster.

Not impossible, but doesn't seem likely.

I just don't even want him. I don't see him as a huge needle mover tbh. And how does the team afford Fox, Sabonis, DeRozan, Keegan, Grant, Monk? Doesn't seem realistic. That figures to be well over 200 million allocated to just those 6 guys. If the team is going to spend that much it needs to be on a serious needle mover like Lauri who makes us a contender and justifies the cost of that team.

IMO we should be looking at guys who are locked into steal contracts (Deni would have been perfect). Isiah Stewart if you believe in him is another one. Toppin, Jalen Smith, or Pat Williams if the team looks to trade them at the deadline.

Boston is somehow doing it! DD contract expires when when Keegan’s extension comes in I honestly believe we a real championship contender adding Grant for Lyle’s/Huerter

Understand that the Boston situation is very unique for several reasons.

First, their anchor pieces (Tatum, Brown) were their own draftees. They can continue to pay them whatever the maxes are until they don’t want to anymore.

Second the other pieces acquired (Holiday, Porzi gas, White) out of that starting lineup were acquired utilizing guys they had drafted or already had and they were sure to have Bird rights to those players or a situation (White) where Bird rights came available.

Third they have a very good history of selecting “fit” pieces later in the draft because they can and well as having had extra draft picks for a while from older trades. This helped fill out the supporting roster.

Lastly they are not only a large market team with very deep pocketed ownership, but they are the freakin’ Boston Celtics. There are expectations. The franchise has tremendous value and is about to be sold for likely 4-5 billion dollars. And they just won the championship with a team that can potentially repeat every year for four to five years. They are going to keep that squad together and did.

The Kings aren’t even close to needing to make those type of commitments. They need to GET TO contention level first before they locomotion for the good runt like that.

[BoogieTime]

It’s been reported we had a substantial pick base offer for Lauri until the Demar signing. Would’ve been interesting how that would’ve went

[LightTheBeam]

I just don't even want him. I don't see him as a huge needle mover tbh. And how does the team afford Fox, Sabonis, DeRozan, Keegan, Grant, Monk? Doesn't seem realistic. That figures to be well over 200 million allocated to just those 6 guys. If the team is going to spend that much it needs to be on a serious needle mover like Lauri who makes us a contender and justifies the cost of that team.

IMO we should be looking at guys who are locked into steal contracts (Deni would have been perfect). Isiah Stewart if you believe in him is another one. Toppin, Jalen Smith, or Pat Williams if the team looks to trade them at the deadline.

Boston is somehow doing it! DD contract expires when when Keegan’s extension comes in I honestly believe we a real championship contender adding Grant for Lyle’s/Huerter

Understand that the Boston situation is very unique for several reasons.

First, their anchor pieces (Tatum, Brown) were their own draftees. They can continue to pay them whatever the maxes are until they don’t want to anymore.

Second the other pieces acquired (Holiday, Porzi gas, White) out of that starting lineup were acquired utilizing guys they had drafted or already had and they were sure to have Bird rights to those players or a situation (White) where Bird rights came available.

Third they have a very good history of selecting “fit” pieces later in the draft because they can and well as having had extra draft picks for a while from older trades. This helped fill out the supporting roster.

Lastly they are not only a large market team with very deep pocketed ownership, but they are the freakin’ Boston Celtics. There are expectations. The franchise has tremendous value and is about to be sold for likely 4-5 billion dollars. And they just won the championship with a team that can potentially repeat every year for four to five years. They are going to keep that squad together and did.

The Kings aren’t even close to needing to make those type of commitments. They need to GET TO contention level first before they locomotion for the good runt like that.

Ya the last sentence really being the answer here. If the Kings were contending and just made it to the WCF, sure you could justify it. Right now we are coming off a season where we got knocked out of the play-in. If we make 2nd round this season or even have a Minnesota/OKC start (deadline push in), I could see them justifying pushing the chips in for a 2 year window while we have DeRozan signed.

[Walton1one]

I don’t think you are understanding.

Jerami Grant is not worth ANY firsts to us. He’s a role player that has decided that he is now a score first guy and no longer is young enough to play the type of athletic defense he came into the league with. He has a $33 million dollar contract that is going to be a albatross for a team that has other more important obligations coming and he doesn’t move the needle as far as making us a guaranteed contender the way a higher quality of player at that kind of cost would do.

I agree that a bargain chance like Stewart or waiting for the deadline and seeing what the best fit/options are out there is a 10/10 better option than relieving POR of the problem they created handing Grant that ridiculous contract at his age.

30 is over the hill now? Didn't you just sign Derozan at age 35? Grant averaged 21ppg and 40% 3pt LY. Yeah, he went to bad teams to pad his stats and get his bag, but before that he was a very good role\team player and played good defense. I suspect he would be again, he is getting paid either way.

Not sure that his contract will be an albatross either, judging by some of the deals already paid out this year and I doubt they will be going down in the future.

I can understand the lack of interest because of future cap obligations\issues or team fit etc.., but I would push back on his contract, defensive\offensive capabilities being a major reason. The west is loading up, if you think he can help\make a difference, then it makes sense, if you think he doesn't move the needle enough, then you pass. Either way, good discussion.

[OxAndFox]

Does anyone think we will make a trade prior to training camp?
Everything seems like its pretty set right now.

If you go by traditional position:
PG - Fox, Carter, McLaughlin
SG - DDR, Monk, Keon, Huerter, Jones
SF - Keegan, McDaniels
PF - Lyles
C - Sabonis, Len, Robinson

Obviously, most of them can position up and/or down, however, this team needs some playable size in the worst way.
With the latest Jerami Grant rumors I wouldn't be surprised if he is the target and between Lakers and the Kings they need to find someone to take Huerter or DLo.
Can the Kings even trade for Grant with McDaniels not being able to be traded until late August.

[KF10]

^^

It seems like the Kings are okay with this group of players entering training camp.

Unless Grant (or Cam, DFS) can be had without giving up a ton, I believe this is the core going into training camp.

I think the biggest question is what does the starting 5 will look like at the start of next season?

[BoogieTime]

These teams have been asking for too much - or more than one pick I think. Kuz/Cam/Grant whoever.

Its balanced by the fact that these teams are going to want to tank for this draft.

Will be interesting to see who is moved

[OxAndFox]

^^

It seems like the Kings are okay with this group of players entering training camp.

Unless Grant (or Cam, DFS) can be had without giving up a ton, I believe this is the core going into training camp.

I think the biggest question is what does the starting 5 will look like at the start of next season?

Here's to hoping Keegan and Sabonis have healthy seasons then.
Maybe with the likes of Carter/DDR the thinking is everyone playing up a spot or 2 from their "traditional" spots.

Makes me think McDaniels will get some time at the 4 where he did have some limited success and actually makes sense there as a defender and cutter.

[OxAndFox]

There was some talk about the Kings chasing RW3 via trade. I honestly can't believe it TBH. RW3 in theory is fantastic. In reality, it would just be a waste of an asset(s) as he should be considered dead money.
Maybe unless the Kings are going for RW3/Thybulle for Huerter/McDaniels?

[typedrat]

In what universe do the Kings want Matisse Thybulle?

[Jkam31]

There was some talk about the Kings chasing RW3 via trade. I honestly can't believe it TBH. RW3 in theory is fantastic. In reality, it would just be a waste of an asset(s) as he should be considered dead money.
Maybe unless the Kings are going for RW3/Thybulle for Huerter/McDaniels?

Doubt it to me just means we’re interested in Grant most the trades we’ve mad the original report is us being interested in a player then we trade for another player on that team. Trading assets for Sabonis backup who can’t stay healthy is comical won’t happen

[OxAndFox]

In what universe do the Kings want Matisse Thybulle?

The universe of adding the best defender the Kings have had since Ron Artest.

[LightTheBeam]

There was some talk about the Kings chasing RW3 via trade. I honestly can't believe it TBH. RW3 in theory is fantastic. In reality, it would just be a waste of an asset(s) as he should be considered dead money.
Maybe unless the Kings are going for RW3/Thybulle for Huerter/McDaniels?

I'd do that in a heart beat.
Partially because I want to move on from Huerter. Realistically though if RW can stay healthy and Thybulle can be respectable from 3 it's a whole new element to the team. Adds a lock down perimiter defender, and a legit rim protector.

Fox/Monk
Keon/Carter/Colby
DeRozan/Thybulle
Keegan/Lyles
Sabonis/Timelord/Len

What a stacked 12 man roster. 7 legit defenders, multiple 3pt shooters, multiple capable iso players. That's a legit squad right there.

[typedrat]

In what universe do the Kings want Matisse Thybulle?

The universe of adding the best defender the Kings have had since Ron Artest.

He's a 6' 5" SG who we'd be playing up a position on a team that's already small, not a good shooter, and a vastly overrated defensive player.

In his best season to date, he's been about as good as 34 year old Artest.

[OxAndFox]

There was some talk about the Kings chasing RW3 via trade. I honestly can't believe it TBH. RW3 in theory is fantastic. In reality, it would just be a waste of an asset(s) as he should be considered dead money.
Maybe unless the Kings are going for RW3/Thybulle for Huerter/McDaniels?

I'd do that in a heart beat.
Partially because I want to move on from Huerter. Realistically though if RW can stay healthy and Thybulle can be respectable from 3 it's a whole new element to the team. Adds a lock down perimiter defender, and a legit rim protector.

Fox/Monk
Keon/Carter/Colby
DeRozan/Thybulle
Keegan/Lyles
Sabonis/Timelord/Len

What a stacked 12 man roster. 7 legit defenders, multiple 3pt shooters, multiple capable iso players. That's a legit squad right there.

If the Kings feel like there is a window this year and next with DDR then it could make sense with Timelord because he won't hurt you financially and becomes a $13m expiring next season. It's weird to see that he has played 56 PO games and only 215 RS games in his career. His impact in the POs is amazing, however as I mentioned earlier, at this point I think it's in theory.

[OxAndFox]

In what universe do the Kings want Matisse Thybulle?

The universe of adding the best defender the Kings have had since Ron Artest.

He's a 6' 5" SG who we'd be playing up a position on a team that's already small, not a good shooter, and a vastly overrated defensive player.

In his best season to date, he's been about as good as 34 year old Artest.

Yeah okay.

[typedrat]

The universe of adding the best defender the Kings have had since Ron Artest.

He's a 6' 5" SG who we'd be playing up a position on a team that's already small, not a good shooter, and a vastly overrated defensive player.

In his best season to date, he's been about as good as 34 year old Artest.

Yeah okay.

He's in the 84th percentile of defenders in the league, making him about the 80th best defender in the NBA last season. He's just not that special, and he doesn't address the hole in our defensive coverage.

[codydaze]

I get dumping salary and opening a roster spot, but the "part one of something to come" is interesting...

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