My Sexton/Kessler to LAL deal..

[Xman]

Markky is worth more. Utah can get picks and prospects for him now.
LA should aim for Ingram or sexton etc.

[jayjaysee]

I think you'd need to either unprotect the 28 pick or allow it to roll over to 29 if it's not conveyed; It still feels a little off for me value wise but might be a smart gamble. Sexton seem like exactly the type of player the Lakers need, someone who plays at 1000% every minute of every game so Davis/Lebron can rest a bit during the regular season.

The OP does say the top 4 protection runs two years. Really short handed, but yeah.

Don’t think there’s a need for the first to go unprotected, just a two shot roll. If it goes unprotected, 2027 should have a bit stronger protection IMO.

If the pick was top 6-8 protected in 2028 when AD expires and then unprotected in 2029, LAL could look for a hard tank season and reset and hope being the Lakers is enough to attract whoever is a free agent in 2028-2029?

But just wanted to try something different.

[jayjaysee]

Markky is worth more. Utah can get picks and prospects for him now.
LA should aim for Ingram or sexton etc.

Think you posted in wrong thread

[babyjax13]

Credit to the OP for creativity. Unfortunately, as it's been discussed ad naseaum the holdup is going to be that protection on those picks. There's no variation of Kessler and Sexton that garners an unprotected FRP from any team with legitimate risk on that pick.

I think there is an easier deal if the 27 pick is unprotected and we are sent an unprotected 29 pick, as well.

Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2027 LAL 1st (1-4 protections removed), 2029 LAL 1st (unprotected)
Sexton, Kessler

IMO, Sexton is worth a loosely protected first on his own, and Kessler is probably worth a top 10 protected pick on his own, too. Then we are also taking back Vincent's contract (there should be some marginal value for trading for a bad deal). There is only a thin chance the 27 1st doesn't convey already, but I would love to have access to the upside. I'd also be open to doing some clever trading to switch the years of the picks to 2026 and 2028 since we don't have picks in those years.

RE Vanderbilt: I'd like him back. I think he'd be a good lockerroom presence and help some of the young guys see the level of effort needed to succeed in the league.

There's zero variation of Kessler and Sexton that nets the Jazz an unprotected FRP with any legitimate upside. They're not those kind of players. They're good players, but they're not guys that are going to change the direction of the franchise. IF the Jazz can get that from some other team, they should have done it yesterday. But I'd venture a guess that the league's value of Sexton and Kessler are nowhere near Danny's value.

If LA wants to be able to get players of this caliber they'll have to do more than send a protected pick, it will take a few - and they don't have that. So the natural way to make up value is to send less, but individually more valuable assets. That is the quandry teams get into when they leverage their entire future for one or two players. I'm not saying LA should do that (e.g., why I suggested LaVine), but a 1-4 protected pick and a swap just isn't appealing at all, and Los Angeles can't send multiple protected picks, and they don't have any assets that make sense on our team. Had they drafted a wing instead of an old, slow shooting guard who can't defend (but can really, really shoot) they'd have assets that make sense (e.g., da Silva, George, Furphy, etc.).

I guess an alternative variation might recoup an asset for Knecht that Utah prefers, in addition to a protected pick and a swap. Right now, though, I don't see a combination that makes sense because of the particular mix of assets the Lakers have available.

TLDR: Finding a trade for only one of Kessler or Sexton and not both might make more sense.

[babyjax13]

I think you'd need to either unprotect the 28 pick or allow it to roll over to 29 if it's not conveyed; It still feels a little off for me value wise but might be a smart gamble. Sexton seem like exactly the type of player the Lakers need, someone who plays at 1000% every minute of every game so Davis/Lebron can rest a bit during the regular season.

The OP does say the top 4 protection runs two years. Really short handed, but yeah.

Don’t think there’s a need for the first to go unprotected, just a two shot roll. If it goes unprotected, 2027 should have a bit stronger protection IMO.

If the pick was top 6-8 protected in 2028 when AD expires and then unprotected in 2029, LAL could look for a hard tank season and reset and hope being the Lakers is enough to attract whoever is a free agent in 2028-2029?

But just wanted to try something different.

Maybe with it rolling over it would be fine for us without the 2025 pick included.

[bkohler]

I think you'd need to either unprotect the 28 pick or allow it to roll over to 29 if it's not conveyed; It still feels a little off for me value wise but might be a smart gamble. Sexton seem like exactly the type of player the Lakers need, someone who plays at 1000% every minute of every game so Davis/Lebron can rest a bit during the regular season.

The OP does say the top 4 protection runs two years. Really short handed, but yeah.

Don’t think there’s a need for the first to go unprotected, just a two shot roll. If it goes unprotected, 2027 should have a bit stronger protection IMO.

If the pick was top 6-8 protected in 2028 when AD expires and then unprotected in 2029, LAL could look for a hard tank season and reset and hope being the Lakers is enough to attract whoever is a free agent in 2028-2029?

But just wanted to try something different.

Maybe with it rolling over it would be fine for us without the 2025 pick included.

I think just for roster management it makes a lot of sense to move the worst of the 25' picks. You might be right that moving Kessler and Sexton separately would yield more but would they yield more high variable picks. I'd do quite a bit to get the 26' LAL pick unprotected, as I think there is a really good chance that it's in the top 10 in a good draft - you're only one AD injury away.

[jayjaysee]

I think you'd need to either unprotect the 28 pick or allow it to roll over to 29 if it's not conveyed; It still feels a little off for me value wise but might be a smart gamble. Sexton seem like exactly the type of player the Lakers need, someone who plays at 1000% every minute of every game so Davis/Lebron can rest a bit during the regular season.

The OP does say the top 4 protection runs two years. Really short handed, but yeah.

Don’t think there’s a need for the first to go unprotected, just a two shot roll. If it goes unprotected, 2027 should have a bit stronger protection IMO.

If the pick was top 6-8 protected in 2028 when AD expires and then unprotected in 2029, LAL could look for a hard tank season and reset and hope being the Lakers is enough to attract whoever is a free agent in 2028-2029?

But just wanted to try something different.

Maybe with it rolling over it would be fine for us without the 2025 pick included.

Could push for two seconds back for the late 2025 first? Or even JHS if you wanted..

But the idea was to get even year firsts to Utah with more upside. And LAL needs a 2025 first in order to do that.

[SkyHook]

Just because..

Utah: Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2026 unprotected, 2027 swap (right to swap with Minn/Cleveland/Utah), 2028 top 4 protected (2x)

LAL: Sexton, Kessler, later of 2025 Minn/Cleveland firsts, 2027 LAL first returned.

Utah: Ainge takes a risk that LAL won’t be able to retool after LBJ and potentially upgrades 3 firsts. They can work on flipping Vandy after. But he’s a good example around the kids anyways.

LAL: LAL bets on themselves and trades control of their firsts for 3 years to bring in two good fitting role players.

With DAR as the salary matching, it feels too good for Utah.

But maybe Ainge needs to know the home for Vanderbilt before doing it?

Does Dallas do Maxi? Does Sac do something around Lyles or Huerter? Something with Chicago?

If I'm reading it correctly that the 2027 LAL FRP returns to the Lakers and then becomes an unprotected super swap for the worst of the CLE, MIN, and UTA picks, then I think this works. I even prefer the inclusion of Vincent and Vanderbilt over DLO.

Well done.

[zimpy27]

Markky is worth more. Utah can get picks and prospects for him now.
LA should aim for Ingram or sexton etc.

Think you posted in wrong thread

I think they just didn't read OP, I can't see any Markannen to Lakers threads.

[Xman]

lol
All I he laker getting Markky cheap made me gloss over the names.
Picks for Sexton make sense. Picks for Kessler work.
Opportunity cost is the price.

[DanishLakerFan]

I dont think Lakers should throw multiple picks after a deal like this. Kessler and Sexton are solid, but really doesn't have that kind of value.

Would probably remove Sexton, Vando and Vincent from the deal and try to trade for just Kessler.

JHS, Lewis, Hayes + FRP for Kessler.
Utah: JHS and Lewis are young and upside sophomores and Hayes is filler. Plus pick, of course.
LA: Upgrade to Kessler. Clear enough money to use taxMLE.

[wegotthabeet]

Lakers trade:
Russell
Rui
Vanderbilt
Vincent
Lakers 2026 1st
Lakers 2028 1st
Lakers 2030 1st
Lakers 2027, 2029, 2031 swaps all unprotected

Jazz trade:
Lauri
Kessler
Sexton
Clarkson
Lakers 2027 1st

Lakers go all in and Jazz control their draft for six straight years.

[jayjaysee]

Lakers trade:
Russell
Rui
Vanderbilt
Vincent
Lakers 2026 1st
Lakers 2028 1st
Lakers 2030 1st
Lakers 2027, 2029, 2031 swaps all unprotected

Jazz trade:
Lauri
Kessler
Sexton
Clarkson
Lakers 2027 1st

Lakers go all in and Jazz control their draft for six straight years.

Feels pretty bad (really bad) for Utah honestly.. even with JHS/Dalton..

And Utah needs to send LAL a 2025 first in order to make it legal.

[Darthlukey]

Just because..

Utah: Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2026 unprotected, 2027 swap (right to swap with Minn/Cleveland/Utah), 2028 top 4 protected (2x)

LAL: Sexton, Kessler, later of 2025 Minn/Cleveland firsts, 2027 LAL first returned.

Utah: Ainge takes a risk that LAL won’t be able to retool after LBJ and potentially upgrades 3 firsts. They can work on flipping Vandy after. But he’s a good example around the kids anyways.

LAL: LAL bets on themselves and trades control of their firsts for 3 years to bring in two good fitting role players.

With DAR as the salary matching, it feels too good for Utah.

But maybe Ainge needs to know the home for Vanderbilt before doing it?

Does Dallas do Maxi? Does Sac do something around Lyles or Huerter? Something with Chicago?

Returning 2027 (assuming this might be to free up 2028?) and protecting 2028 makes the 1sts of little value if Ainge is betting the lakers cant retool. Giving the lakers an avenue to tank their way out of conveying picks makes it unattractive.

[jayjaysee]

Just because..

Utah: Vincent, Vanderbilt, 2026 unprotected, 2027 swap (right to swap with Minn/Cleveland/Utah), 2028 top 4 protected (2x)

LAL: Sexton, Kessler, later of 2025 Minn/Cleveland firsts, 2027 LAL first returned.

Utah: Ainge takes a risk that LAL won’t be able to retool after LBJ and potentially upgrades 3 firsts. They can work on flipping Vandy after. But he’s a good example around the kids anyways.

LAL: LAL bets on themselves and trades control of their firsts for 3 years to bring in two good fitting role players.

With DAR as the salary matching, it feels too good for Utah.

But maybe Ainge needs to know the home for Vanderbilt before doing it?

Does Dallas do Maxi? Does Sac do something around Lyles or Huerter? Something with Chicago?

Returning 2027 (assuming this might be to free up 2028?) and protecting 2028 makes the 1sts of little value if Ainge is betting the lakers cant retool. Giving the lakers an avenue to tank their way out of conveying picks makes it unattractive.

But the 2027 first becomes a swap.

And the 28 first has same protection as the 2027.

Utah currently only has control over LAL’s 2027 first. After this fake idea, they would have control of the 2026-2028. I have no idea how LAL would be able to tank their way out of anything.

[wegotthabeet]

Lakers trade:
Russell
Rui
Vanderbilt
Vincent
Lakers 2026 1st
Lakers 2028 1st
Lakers 2030 1st
Lakers 2027, 2029, 2031 swaps all unprotected

Jazz trade:
Lauri
Kessler
Sexton
Clarkson
Lakers 2027 1st

Lakers go all in and Jazz control their draft for six straight years.

Feels pretty bad (really bad) for Utah honestly.. even with JHS/Dalton..

And Utah needs to send LAL a 2025 first in order to make it legal.

The Lakers can just remove the protection from 2027 and then have the swaps be the even years and the picks the odd years. Three unprotected picks and three unprotected swaps seems like pretty close but maybe I’m off here.

[Cappy_Smurf]

Ainge isn't going to bet on future Laker picks in a Lauri trade. He's going to look for a team who is willing to overpay and also likely to give up high value picks down the road. With the Lakers, there's always a threat that a big name will sign there even when the situation isn't ideal.

Lauri is staying in Utah unless somebody offers a significant overpay or if Lauri asks out. There is really no scenario where the Lakers offer Utah something Ainge values more than what other teams are offering.

[R-DAWG]

Is Sexton even better than Dlo?

Not shooting our load for a potential upgrade over DLO (if even) and a C who isn't going to stretch the floor

This. DLo has a negative rap because of his playoff history, but he’s been better regular season player than Sexton and we have never seen Sexton in the playoffs, or on a winning team.