Jays 2024 Trade Deadline Thread

[Lateral Quicks]

So here is what the 2025 team looks like at this point:

Lineup:
1B Guerrero
2B Horwitz
SS Bichette
3B Clement
C Kirk
RF Springer
CF Varsho
LF Lopiferdo
DH Schneider

Others in the mix: Barger, Jimenez, Wagner, Clase, Martinez

Rotation:
Berrios
Gausman
Bassitt
Rodriguez
Manoah
Bloss

Bullpen:
Romano
Green
Swanson

Obvious needs are another catcher, quality bullpen depth, and some decent back-end/insurance starting depth. Offensively the outfield looks to be bad - I would expect an upgrade there. We now have so many ready/near ready offensive prospects knocking on the door, I think it's quite possible some will be moved for an established position player during the off-season.

My hope is that changes are made to the coaching staff, and a new hitting coach can get more out of our players. There is a lot of room for improvement internally from the likes of Bichette, Kirk, Springer, Varsho, and the younger guys. Also a stronger bullpen would win us a lot more games. We'll also need exceptional team health to have any hope of competing.

[JN]

So here is what the 2025 team looks like at this point:

Lineup:
1B Guerrero
2B Horwitz
SS Bichette
3B Clement
C Kirk
RF Springer
CF Varsho
LF Lopiferdo
DH Schneider

Others in the mix: Barger, Jimenez, Wagner, Clase, Martinez

Rotation:
Berrios
Gausman
Bassitt
Rodriguez
Manoah
Bloss

Bullpen:
Romano
Green
Swanson

Obvious needs are another catcher, quality bullpen depth, and some decent back-end/insurance starting depth. Offensively the outfield looks to be bad - I would expect an upgrade there. We now have so many ready/near ready offensive prospects knocking on the door, I think it's quite possible some will be moved for an established position player during the off-season.

My hope is that changes are made to the coaching staff, and a new hitting coach can get more out of our players. There is a lot of room for improvement internally from the likes of Bichette, Kirk, Springer, Varsho, and the younger guys. Also a stronger bullpen would win us a lot more games. We'll also need exceptional team health to have any hope of competing.

Regarding the bullpen.
I'm not certain that Jordan Romano and Erik Swanson are offered arbitration.
Romano would need to be offered at least $8 million and Swanson would need to be offered $3m.

Genesis Cabrera seems to be in good shape to be part of the pen next year.

[JaysRule15]

So here is what the 2025 team looks like at this point:

Lineup:
1B Guerrero
2B Horwitz
SS Bichette
3B Clement
C Kirk
RF Springer
CF Varsho
LF Lopiferdo
DH Schneider

Others in the mix: Barger, Jimenez, Wagner, Clase, Martinez

Rotation:
Berrios
Gausman
Bassitt
Rodriguez
Manoah
Bloss

Bullpen:
Romano
Green
Swanson

Obvious needs are another catcher, quality bullpen depth, and some decent back-end/insurance starting depth. Offensively the outfield looks to be bad - I would expect an upgrade there. We now have so many ready/near ready offensive prospects knocking on the door, I think it's quite possible some will be moved for an established position player during the off-season.

My hope is that changes are made to the coaching staff, and a new hitting coach can get more out of our players. There is a lot of room for improvement internally from the likes of Bichette, Kirk, Springer, Varsho, and the younger guys. Also a stronger bullpen would win us a lot more games. We'll also need exceptional team health to have any hope of competing.

So many holes in this lineup and even the rotation has a huge drop off after Berrios, Gausman and Bassitt. I don't see how this roster contends in the East. We're counting on so many players to bounce back, rebuilding an entire bullpen, and needing some prospects to break. On top of staying healthy because of the total lack of depth. I really can't see it. Really hope that if we can't get better in the offseason, we pivot to a complete teardown. I'd rather we have a couple of tough years than essentially waste next season chasing .500, and ruining the value of some of our vets who could bring a big return.

[Randle McMurphy]

That roster is bad, no clue what the Jays are doing pretending they're gonna win with it (which is, again, why Vlad should be traded).

[Randle McMurphy]

So here is what the 2025 team looks like at this point:

Lineup:
1B Guerrero
2B Horwitz
SS Bichette
3B Clement
C Kirk
RF Springer
CF Varsho
LF Lopiferdo
DH Schneider

Others in the mix: Barger, Jimenez, Wagner, Clase, Martinez

Rotation:
Berrios
Gausman
Bassitt
Rodriguez
Manoah
Bloss

Bullpen:
Romano
Green
Swanson

Obvious needs are another catcher, quality bullpen depth, and some decent back-end/insurance starting depth. Offensively the outfield looks to be bad - I would expect an upgrade there. We now have so many ready/near ready offensive prospects knocking on the door, I think it's quite possible some will be moved for an established position player during the off-season.

My hope is that changes are made to the coaching staff, and a new hitting coach can get more out of our players. There is a lot of room for improvement internally from the likes of Bichette, Kirk, Springer, Varsho, and the younger guys. Also a stronger bullpen would win us a lot more games. We'll also need exceptional team health to have any hope of competing.

Regarding the bullpen.
I'm not certain that Jordan Romano and Erik Swanson are offered arbitration.
Romano would need to be offered at least $8 million and Swanson would need to be offered $3m.

Genesis Cabrera seems to be in good shape to be part of the pen next year.

They're picking up 2 year/22M options on Chad Green based on like 5 innings of work last year. I bet both will be back.

[guvernator]

Soto is plan A - Z this offseason. When that eventually falls through, hopefully, ownership can press the reset button.

Years of choking is clutch situations should have made one thing clear - Vlad Jr is not a core player but a complementary piece.

[C Court]

Trading Richards for Jay Harry doesn’t make sense. Harry is hitting barely over .200 in A-ball and is projected as a low upside utility infielder. So why not just hold on to Richards for a few months and keep a decent arm in the bullpen?

[SharoneWright]

Trading Richards for Jay Harry doesn’t make sense. Harry is hitting barely over .200 in A-ball and is projected as a low upside utility infielder. So why not just hold on to Richards for a few months and keep a decent arm in the bullpen?

Salary cap?

[C Court]

Trading Richards for Jay Harry doesn’t make sense. Harry is hitting barely over .200 in A-ball and is projected as a low upside utility infielder. So why not just hold on to Richards for a few months and keep a decent arm in the bullpen?

Salary cap?

That may be the correct answer. If it is then it shows what a mess Atkins has made of this roster. Millions of dollars spent on an under performing roster who is now trying to avoid tax penalties.

I watched his interview last night on Sportsnet and I don’t understand how Atkins is still employed by the Jays. If the 2024 results are as “unacceptable” as he says they are, Atkins should be fired now.

[Raptors Realtor]

That roster is bad, no clue what the Jays are doing pretending they're gonna win with it (which is, again, why Vlad should be traded).

I think holding onto Vlad is the correct decision, he's still only 25 and has been consistently tearing it up the past couple months, so even if they decide to rebuild he's young enough to be a part of the team when they're ready to contend a few years down the road. Obviously if they get offered a crazy package then you reconsider.

[Mehar]

So here is what the 2025 team looks like at this point:

Lineup:
1B Guerrero
2B Horwitz
SS Bichette
3B Clement
C Kirk
RF Springer
CF Varsho
LF Lopiferdo
DH Schneider

Others in the mix: Barger, Jimenez, Wagner, Clase, Martinez

Rotation:
Berrios
Gausman
Bassitt
Rodriguez
Manoah
Bloss

Bullpen:
Romano
Green
Swanson

Obvious needs are another catcher, quality bullpen depth, and some decent back-end/insurance starting depth. Offensively the outfield looks to be bad - I would expect an upgrade there. We now have so many ready/near ready offensive prospects knocking on the door, I think it's quite possible some will be moved for an established position player during the off-season.

My hope is that changes are made to the coaching staff, and a new hitting coach can get more out of our players. There is a lot of room for improvement internally from the likes of Bichette, Kirk, Springer, Varsho, and the younger guys. Also a stronger bullpen would win us a lot more games. We'll also need exceptional team health to have any hope of competing.

So many holes in this lineup and even the rotation has a huge drop off after Berrios, Gausman and Bassitt. I don't see how this roster contends in the East. We're counting on so many players to bounce back, rebuilding an entire bullpen, and needing some prospects to break. On top of staying healthy because of the total lack of depth. I really can't see it. Really hope that if we can't get better in the offseason, we pivot to a complete teardown. I'd rather we have a couple of tough years than essentially waste next season chasing .500, and ruining the value of some of our vets who could bring a big return.

Atkins was saying in Spring Training how he is counting on internal improvement offensively from guys like Kirk, Varsho, Springer, and Biggio. We see how that hope of internal improvement turned out the first few months of this year. I am not buying it. This team will most likely be in a similar shape next year. Too many holes in the hitting lineup, bullpen, and even from your Starting 5.

I would be happy with a complete rebuild, and that is why I wanted guys like Gausman and Bassitt to be actively shopped in trade discussions also. This is not what you call on paper a team that can bounce back and be a contender in 2025.

People forget how bad Baltimore was just three years ago when they won only 52 Games, and winning 47 and 54 Games in 2018 and 2019. I rather watch a rebuilding team for the next 2 years, than the Garbage Offensive product we all had to watch this year paying the Luxury Tax before the deadline. Get rid of Atkins and clean house with this organization from the top to bottom. Let a new GM come in and handle the rebuild properly.

[dagger]

Trading Richards for Jay Harry doesn’t make sense. Harry is hitting barely over .200 in A-ball and is projected as a low upside utility infielder. So why not just hold on to Richards for a few months and keep a decent arm in the bullpen?

Richards has had a terrible month of July, and the only reason to hang on to him was to assure more losses. Harry doesn't help but getting under the tax line is a kind of benefit for next season because it lowers the 2025 tax rate from 50% to 20%. Now, I am pro-rebuild, but if they sincerely believe in this fiction of being competitive in 2025, it will require spending well over the limit.

[JN]

May also be doing Richards a favour - he may have asked to be traded at the deadline if possible, and given that he has seemingly been a good solider doing whatever is needed, the team got him somewhere.

[PowerPlant1]

So although Atkins did a good job at the deadline including a potential steal with Kikuchi, he nonetheless stopped short of what he should have done, which was totally rebuild and trade some controllable assets. Varsho, being as overrated as he is would have surely fetched a huge haul from some WAR addicted GMs. The Bassitt haul could have been massive owing to what Kikuchi fetched. Therefore, my problem with this deadline is the moves he did not make rather than the ones he did.

And if I get the gist of his interview, he didn't want to sell. While that was honest, he can't stop gambling on contention from this team with a non existent BP, 3/5 pretty good starters + high hopes on Springer, Kirk, Varsho and wild cards like Bichette.

Also, he solely focused on bringing in hitting prospects. Other than Bloss, arms anyone? The Jays have little to no BP prospects to speak of. While they are hard to predict, some young arms could have been included to fill the system more broadly. Of course, there could be trades down the road but this is overall a delusional retool even if he did well on some of the moves.

[JTT]

Thoughts on winners and losers amongst the players? I think Bowden Francis and Genesis Cabrera might be the biggest winners. Cabrera will get more leverage for the rest of the season and it certainly looks like Francis will have an opportunity to prove himself with regular starts. I see the big loser as Davis Schneider. It really looks like the Jays don’t like him in left field and the crowd at second base is enormous. He really needs to reestablish his viability as a hitter, otherwise his career as a major leaguer is going to be memorable but short.

[JTT]

So here is what the 2025 team looks like at this point:

Lineup:
1B Guerrero
2B Horwitz
SS Bichette
3B Clement
C Kirk
RF Springer
CF Varsho
LF Lopiferdo
DH Schneider

Others in the mix: Barger, Jimenez, Wagner, Clase, Martinez

Rotation:
Berrios
Gausman
Bassitt
Rodriguez
Manoah
Bloss

Bullpen:
Romano
Green
Swanson

Obvious needs are another catcher, quality bullpen depth, and some decent back-end/insurance starting depth. Offensively the outfield looks to be bad - I would expect an upgrade there. We now have so many ready/near ready offensive prospects knocking on the door, I think it's quite possible some will be moved for an established position player during the off-season.

My hope is that changes are made to the coaching staff, and a new hitting coach can get more out of our players. There is a lot of room for improvement internally from the likes of Bichette, Kirk, Springer, Varsho, and the younger guys. Also a stronger bullpen would win us a lot more games. We'll also need exceptional team health to have any hope of competing.

Regarding the bullpen.
I'm not certain that Jordan Romano and Erik Swanson are offered arbitration.
Romano would need to be offered at least $8 million and Swanson would need to be offered $3m.

Genesis Cabrera seems to be in good shape to be part of the pen next year.

I think that lineup will look a whole lot different come spring. There’ll be more trades and free agent signings. None of Horowitz, Barger, Schneider, Clement or Loperfido has done enough to establish themselves. The only thing certain is that there’s going to be a lot of change yet.

[Asianiac_24]

Horwitz and Clement have secured themselves a spot IMO, especially Horwitz, assuming he doesn't drop off a cliff for the remainder of the season. Horwitz as a everyday starter, Clement as a backup utility player for 2B/3B aka the Espinal role. Ideally, we would have Vlad start at 3B every day and see if he is a passable enough defender at 3B, so we can get a cheap quality bat at 1B.

[polo007]

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Interesting, because Fangraphs already updated the Jays payroll page and they now have the team's CBT hit for 2024 at 239.6 (over) instead of 235.4 (under). Cots and Spotrac haven't updated yet.

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