Chargers training camp, Day 6: Joshua Palmer, DJ Chark have a statement practice
By Daniel Popper
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. — Los Angeles Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert is settling into life without Keenan Allen and Mike Williams.
The Chargers moved on from Allen and Williams, their top two receivers, in the offseason. The departures left a sizable vacuum in the receivers group as Jim Harbaugh entered his first season as coach. Harbaugh and general manager Joe Hortiz pieced together the group through the spring.
The Chargers drafted Ladd McConkey in the second round in April. They also signed DJ Chark after the draft. Baked into the strategy was also an expected jump from fourth-year receiver Joshua Palmer, who ascended to the top of the depth after the Chargers released Williams and traded Allen to the Chicago Bears.
Through six training camp practices, Palmer, Chark and McConkey have emerged as the primary trio in 11 personnel. They are quite clearly the best three receivers on the roster. McConkey has flashed throughout the spring and summer, particularly out of the slot. He had his best day of camp last week when he caught four Herbert passes.
Tuesday’s practice was a statement afternoon from Palmer and Chark.
Palmer caught four Herbert passes, including a touchdown. Chark caught three Herbert passes, including a touchdown.
“It’s like pick your poison of who you want to shut down,” Palmer said of his synergy with Chark. “That’s how I see it.”
The two receivers were the spark plugs in a successful two-minute drive for Herbert against the starting defense. The first-team offense took over in its own territory with 1:50 on the clock and two timeouts remaining. Palmer converted the opening first down of the drive on a dig, breaking away from safety Derwin James Jr. On the next play, Chark beat cornerback Kristian Fulton on a comeback route. The offense took a timeout with 1:03 remaining.
After receiver Simi Fehoko beat slot cornerback Ja’Sir Taylor for a first down, Herbert twice threw to receiver Quentin Johnston. Both fell incomplete. Johnston dropped the first ball on an out route. On the next play, Johnston was open on a go route, but he was late turning for Herbert’s ball, and it sailed over his head.
That set up a third-and-10. Palmer came open on a seam route, and Herbert pinned a throw on him for a touchdown. Herbert was under considerable pressure off his left side. Edge rusher Joey Bosa had pancaked rookie tackle Joe Alt on a bull rush. Guard Jamaree Salyer got injured amid the chaotic pocket on the play and left practice. Herbert stood tall through the pressure and delivered a strike to Palmer.
“Josh is a very, very meticulous guy, very detail-oriented,” offensive coordinator Greg Roman said. “And it shows in his play.”
The next 11-on-11 period was focused on a third down. The starting offense went up against the reserve defense. Herbert faced a third-and-10 on the opening snap. Chark beat rookie cornerback Zamari Walton down the left sideline on a go route for the touchdown. It was the third explosive play on a go route for Chark in camp, and his second such catch from Herbert.
“He’s able to stretch the field,” Palmer said of Chark.
“We really sense a hunger in him,” Roman added, “and it’s showing every day.”
The first team period of Tuesday’s practice was running game-focused. The drill is referred to as “nine-on-seven.” Offensive linemen, tight ends, fullbacks and running backs for the offense. Safeties, linebackers and defensive linemen for the defense. Effectively, all the primary position groups for both rushing offense and run defense.
The Chargers split into two fields for this period. The starters went to one field and took 10 reps, all runs, at a lighter pace. The reserves were on the second field and played at a more physical pace, including some live reps.
Gus Edwards and J.K. Dobbins were the running backs on the first-team field. They each took five of the reps. All the other running backs were on the second-team field, an indication of where this depth chart stands. These were Edwards’ first reps in a team period since the Chargers signed him in free agency. He has been working his way back from an injury.
There were 15 defensive players rotating in the nine-on-seven drills on the first-team field. Interior defensive linemen: Scott Matlock, Morgan Fox, Poona Ford, Otito Ogbonnia. Edge rushers: Bosa, Khalil Mack, Tuli Tuipulotu, Chris Rumph II. Safeties: James, JT Woods, AJ Finley. Linebackers: Denzel Perryman, Daiyan Henley, Nick Niemann, Troy Dye.
Safety Alohi Gilman was not at practice. Harbaugh said Monday that Gilman was away from practice for the birth of his child. Bud Dupree also did not practice Tuesday.
Youngsters flash
The third-team offense and third-team defense went head-to-head in a fully live series in Tuesday’s practice. That meant tackling to the ground, and quarterback Max Duggan was included.
Two players jumped out in this series: defensive lineman CJ Okoye and rookie receiver Jaylen Johnson.
The series began with a first-down rush from running back Isaiah Spiller. He surged up the middle for a 5-yard gain. Duggan then found Spiller on a checkdown on the next play for a first down.
That set up a first-and-10. Duggan handed off to rookie running back Kimani Vidal. Okoye shed his blocker and stuffed Vidal for no gain.
On the next play, Duggan dropped back off play action. Okoye won quickly on his pass-rush move and delivered a crushing hit on Duggan. Duggan just managed to get the ball away before being upended.
On the ensuing third-and-10, Johnson won on a go route down the right sideline. He beat rookie cornerback Robert Kennedy. Duggan did well to recognize the one-on-one matchup. He threw an accurate ball. Johnson hauled it in for the touchdown.
Johnson, whom the Chargers signed as an undrafted free agent out of East Carolina, continued to flash later in practice. He made a stellar catch on an out route in the two-minute drill with the second-team offense. Stick’s throw was slightly wide. Johnson extended and showed off strong, sticky hands.
Johnson converted a first down later in the two-minute drive, winning on a dig route over the middle.
DB vs. pass catcher one-on-ones
Coverage players and pass catchers matched up in one-on-one drills for the first time in camp. There were three groups. The outside receivers and the outside cornerbacks were at one station. The linebackers and running backs were at another station. The third station featured the slot cornerbacks and safeties against the slot receivers and tight ends.
Herbert was throwing to the slot receivers and tight ends. I watched that portion of the period. The third safety competition between Finley and Woods is perhaps the most heated position battle of camp. Taylor has a firm grasp on the slot corner role, but I still wanted to watch his reps and those of rookie slot corner Tarheeb Still.
The receivers were McConkey, Fehoko, Derius Davis and rookie Jaelen Gill.
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A few notable reps:
• McConkey matched up with James, who has been playing a decent amount in the slot in certain packages. James was shading McConkey to the outside. McConkey showed off his great feel for leverage. He exploded upfield to force James to turn his hips. At the top of the route, McConkey gave James a subtle shoulder shake before breaking inside. Herbert hit him in stride.
• Still had all three of his reps in coverage on Fehoko. He had a pass breakup on the first rep. Fehoko responded in the next rep by winning on a smooth whip route. On the final rep, Fehoko ran a corner route. Still did a good job of getting hands on Fehoko early to disrupt the timing of the route. Herbert’s pass was long and incomplete.
• Taylor matched up with McConkey on the opening rep of the period. He was tight in coverage as McConkey ran an out route. Herbert’s throw was wide and incomplete. Taylor matched up with Davis later in the period. Davis tried to beat Taylor over the top on a slot fade. Taylor showed off some recovery speed and stuck with the speedy Davis down the field, forcing the incompletion.
• I thought Woods had a really good period. He had a pass breakup on a comeback route from Hayden Hurst. On his next rep, Woods was on McConkey, who ran a shallow comeback route. Woods lost his balance a bit on McConkey’s release. But he reacted well to as McConkey broke back to Herbert. The pass was complete, but Woods had closed on the route and wrapped up McConkey after a rather short gain. Woods lost his last rep to Davis, who created separation on a whip route.
• Dissly beat Finley down the seam route for an explosive play. Finley got caught ball-watching, and Dissly separated behind Finely. Herbert threw over Finley and completed the pass.
• Safety Tony Jefferson had a pass breakup while defending rookie tight end Luke Benson.
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• Tight end Donald Parham Jr. worked off to the side during Tuesday’s practice.
• Rookie offensive lineman Karsen Barnhart did not practice for the sixth straight day.
• Left tackle Rashawn Slater participated in the nine-on-seven period. But he did not take any 11-on-11 reps. Alt and Trey Pipkins III continued to work at both left and right tackle.
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Chargers training camp, Day 7: Kristian Fulton leads pass-breakup party for defense
By Daniel Popper
Jul 31, 2024
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. — From the starters to the third team, the Los Angeles Chargers defense had a very encouraging practice in coverage Wednesday.
Cornerback Kristian Fulton led the way with three passes defended in 11-on-11 drills.
Overall, coverage players combined for 11 forced incompletions in the practice.
“I felt like the guys today maybe looked the most comfortable that we’ve looked so far,” defensive coordinator Jesse Minter said.
Fulton got the pass-breakup party started in a move-the-ball period early in practice. The starting defense was facing the starting offense. After two touches for running back Jaret Patterson — a catch in the flat and a run — quarterback Justin Herbert and the offense faced a third-and-5. Herbert threw to receiver Quentin Johnston on an out route. Fulton challenged the pass and knocked it off Johnston’s hands.
On the next play, a fourth-and-5, the offense went for it. Nickel cornerback Ja’Sir Taylor was in the slot against rookie receiver Ladd McConkey. McConkey ran a corner route into the end zone. Taylor matched him the whole way. Herbert tried to drop a ball into the back corner, but Taylor’s coverage was too tight. The ball sailed out of the back of the end zone.
Later in the practice, Fulton had two more pass breakups during the two-minute drill. The starters faced the starters again. On the opening play of the drive, Herbert tried to hit Johnston on another out route. Fulton jumped the route and nearly picked the ball off.
The offense got moving on the next play when Herbert connected with receiver Joshua Palmer down the right sideline. Herbert then nearly scored on a scramble to the right side. Edge rushers Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack both won on their pass rush moves and created pressure. Herbert escaped and was marked down at the 2-yard line.
On the next play, Herbert threw a jump ball to Johnston in the end zone. Fulton was in coverage and had Johnston locked down. The result: another incompletion. And the offense settled for a field goal.
“He’s practicing like what we thought he could be,” Minter said of Fulton. “He’s an ultra competitor. He’s really talented. When he’s comfortable and he trusts just how he’s being taught, what he’s being told, I’m confident that he’ll perform well this year, and I know he’s got a — I don’t even know if it’s a chip, he’s got a boulder on his shoulder.”
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Fulton is carving out a starting role on the outside opposite Asante Samuel Jr.
“I just want to prove that I know I’m a top corner in this league,” Fulton said earlier this week. “It’s going to show come game day. But right now, I’m just focused on proving it every day to the coaches, my teammates, that they can trust me to go out there and be that.”
Taylor, who had a pass breakup on a Herbert throw intended for Fehoko, is distancing himself as the starter at nickel.
“Zont, Kristian, Ja’Sir have played really well up to this point for what we’re asking them to do,” Minter said.
Linebacker Daiyan Henley, who has been working with the first team next to Denzel Perryman, also got involved in coverage. In an 11-on-11 period, Herbert tried to fit a throw into receiver Simi Fehoko on a dig route. He did not see Henley retreating over the middle. Henley was in perfect position for the interception, but the ball deflected off his hand.
“Daiyan’s got some really elite coverage skills,” Minter said.
The young defensive backs also made several plays. Rookie safety Thomas Harper had two pass breakups. The first came on the play after Henley’s near-interception. Herbert threw deep to Johnston on a corner route into the end zone. Harper made a great read on the play and rotated over the top from the middle of the field. He batted the pass away to prevent the touchdown.
Later in practice, backup quarterback Easton Stick threw deep to Johnston on a post route off play action. Harper retreated down the middle of the field and nearly picked off the pass, which was slightly underthrown.
“He’s flashed,” Minter said of Harper, an undrafted free agent out of Notre Dame. “He made some nice plays today.”
Cornerback Cam Hart had a pass breakup while in coverage on a Fehoko crosser. Cornerback Matt Hankins picked off rookie quarterback Casey Bauman on the final 11-on-11 play of practice. Bauman threw a go ball intended for rookie receiver Jaelen Gill. Hankins was in tight coverage and did well to turn and find the ball.
“It was a good, solid day, good competition,” Minter said. “Just got to continue to chase that and see if we can stack some of those types of days.”
• Safety Alohi Gilman was back at practice. He missed the previous two practices for the birth of his child.
• Edge rusher Bud Dupree was back at practice after missing Tuesday.
• Rookie offensive lineman Karsen Barnhart practiced Wednesday for the first time this camp. He was playing right guard with the third-team offense.
• Offensive lineman Jamaree Salyer was not on the field for Wednesday’s practice. He went down with an injury during 11-on-11 drills in Tuesday’s practice.
• Left tackle Rashawn Slater was back in 11-on-11 drills after sitting out all those periods in Tuesday’s practice. Slater is dealing with a minor injury. The Chargers were not in pads Wednesday. Slater sat out two 11-on-11 periods Wednesday. When Slater was out, the first-team offensive line was: left tackle Trey Pipkins III, left guard Zion Johnson, center Brenden Jaimes, right guard Bradley Bozeman, right tackle Joe Alt.
• Derius Davis had a standout rookie season as a punt returner. So far in camp, he continues to impress as a receiver. He had one of the best reps of the receiver-cornerback one-on-ones. Davis was matched up with rookie cornerback Tarheeb Still out of the slot. Davis set up Still on the stem of his route with a burst of speed up the seam. He then faked to the inside before cutting to the sideline, spinning Still around. Davis has something to offer as a receiver. That much is clear.
• Rookie receiver Brenden Rice had the play of the day on offense. He beat cornerback Chris Wilcox down the left sideline and made a great over-the-shoulder catch on the deep ball from Stick. Rice is proving to have some capacity as a down-the-field receiver.
• Linebacker Junior Colson and running back J.K. Dobbins were not in uniform Wednesday. They worked off to the side in shorts and T-shirts. Colson is off the non-football illness list after passing his physical Tuesday. Edge rusher Tre’Mon Morris-Brash and tight end Donald Parham Jr. also worked off to the side. They were both in uniform.
• Safety Akeem Dent was on the field in uniform for the start of practice, but he walked off and into the facility with trainers during individual drills. Rookie receiver Leon Johnson was not at practice.
• AJ Finley is starting to create separation in the third safety battle. He has been the first safety to come on the field when Derwin James Jr. moves around to different positions. He also got the bulk of the first-team reps Monday and Tuesday when Gilman was absent. Said Minter: “AJ’s a guy that guys have confidence in. He’s made some plays in practice and communicates really well. He’s got a comfort out there.”
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Would be nice if Fulton was a solid CB opposite Asante Samuel Jr. Also good to hear Jerry Rice's son looking good. Be great if he turned into a solid rotation player.
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"Doctors have diagnosed him with plantar fascia in his right foot. And they're recommending that he stay in a walking boot for approximately two weeks before beginning a gradual return to play ramp up. The expectation right now is that they believe he should be ready for the regular season opener against the Las Vegas Raiders. But, let me say this. Number one , this is not how you want to start out your summer. This is not how you want to have your quarterback dealing with a walking boot if you're the new head coach of the Chargers in Jim Harbaugh. And this is the type of injury that stays with a player for a long period of time. He may be back for the regular season opener. that may be the expectation. But he's going to be playing through some discomfort in that foot I think, potentially, for the whole season."
The last part is what stings the most. Someone on Reddit mentioned how Antonio Gates had this injury too and he never was the same after and that he kept having foot injuries after. I don’t work in podiatry but I based on what I’ve read, this injury could stay with him for rest of his career.
Just when I was actually super excited about the Chargers for the first time in like 3-4 years (maybe longer).
Also, I don’t understand why they didn’t upgrade Easton Stick. He absolutely sucks balls and he showed that against the Raiders last season. There’s no way we couldn’t find a better backup than him in free agency or draft. Teams like Bengals were missing Joe Burrow for most of last season and they had a backup come in and look pretty solid for the season and kept them competitive.
I don’t mind losing games especially without Herbert but I’d like it to at least be with a guy at QB who is at least average/competent.
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Revived wrote:"Doctors have diagnosed him with plantar fascia in his right foot. And they're recommending that he stay in a walking boot for approximately two weeks before beginning a gradual return to play ramp up. The expectation right now is that they believe he should be ready for the regular season opener against the Las Vegas Raiders. But, let me say this. Number one , this is not how you want to start out your summer. This is not how you want to have your quarterback dealing with a walking boot if you're the new head coach of the Chargers in Jim Harbaugh. And this is the type of injury that stays with a player for a long period of time. He may be back for the regular season opener. that may be the expectation. But he's going to be playing through some discomfort in that foot I think, potentially, for the whole season."
The last part is what stings the most. Someone on Reddit mentioned how Antonio Gates had this injury too and he never was the same after and that he kept having foot injuries after. I don’t work in podiatry but I based on what I’ve read, this injury could stay with him for rest of his career.
Just when I was actually super excited about the Chargers for the first time in like 3-4 years (maybe longer).
Also, I don’t understand why they didn’t upgrade Easton Stick. He absolutely sucks balls and he showed that against the Raiders last season. There’s no way we couldn’t find a better backup than him in free agency or draft. Teams like Bengals were missing Joe Burrow for most of last season and they had a backup come in and look pretty solid for the season and kept them competitive.
I don’t mind losing games especially without Herbert but I’d like it to at least be with a guy at QB who is at least average/competent.
Yeah, hopefully he ends up ok, and I'm glad he will have a lot better protection, but I can't figure out what they continue to see in Easton Stick either. I feel they need to pick up someone decent...maybe a vet or something. Would be nice if Max Duggan became a servicable backup, but that's doubtful.
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Revived wrote:"Doctors have diagnosed him with plantar fascia in his right foot. And they're recommending that he stay in a walking boot for approximately two weeks before beginning a gradual return to play ramp up. The expectation right now is that they believe he should be ready for the regular season opener against the Las Vegas Raiders. But, let me say this. Number one , this is not how you want to start out your summer. This is not how you want to have your quarterback dealing with a walking boot if you're the new head coach of the Chargers in Jim Harbaugh. And this is the type of injury that stays with a player for a long period of time. He may be back for the regular season opener. that may be the expectation. But he's going to be playing through some discomfort in that foot I think, potentially, for the whole season."
The last part is what stings the most. Someone on Reddit mentioned how Antonio Gates had this injury too and he never was the same after and that he kept having foot injuries after. I don’t work in podiatry but I based on what I’ve read, this injury could stay with him for rest of his career.
Just when I was actually super excited about the Chargers for the first time in like 3-4 years (maybe longer).
Also, I don’t understand why they didn’t upgrade Easton Stick. He absolutely sucks balls and he showed that against the Raiders last season. There’s no way we couldn’t find a better backup than him in free agency or draft. Teams like Bengals were missing Joe Burrow for most of last season and they had a backup come in and look pretty solid for the season and kept them competitive.
I don’t mind losing games especially without Herbert but I’d like it to at least be with a guy at QB who is at least average/competent.
Ryan Tannehill is still available. Would be nice to get him for cheap.
Best Remaining Quarterback Free Agents, 2024:
Ryan Tannehill
Trevor Siemian
Blaine Gabbert
A.J. McCarron
Brian Hoyer
Kellen Mond
Ben DiNucci
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/nfl-free-agents-best-available-players/
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Yeah I’d definitely take Tannehill. He’s a vet and he can probably be a good resource for Herbert to bounce certain concepts off of as well.
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Mannnnnnn I hope this isn’t anything big. Looks a little like a potential MCL sprain which wouldn’t be a longterm injury but still hope it’s not that as it would set him back lot in reps to prepare for the season.
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Well, the usual injuries popping up in training camp. Now McConkey and Pipkins left injured.
Chargers training camp, Day 9: Edge rusher Chris Rumph II making strong case for 53-man
By Daniel Popper
Aug 3, 2024
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. — Joey Bosa called it a “stacked room.” And for good reason. The Los Angeles Chargers’ edge rusher group is, top to bottom, perhaps the team’s deepest and most talented position.
When healthy, Bosa and Khalil Mack are among the fiercest pass-rushing tandems in the league. Tuli Tuipulotu was one of the best all-around rookie edge rushers in football last season. With those three returning, the Chargers made a strength even stronger in the offseason by signing veteran Bud Dupree. Mack, Bosa and Dupree have 221 1/2 career sacks between them.
“We’re pretty much playing out there with four starters,” Bosa said last week.
The forgotten man in the room? Chris Rumph II. A fourth-round pick in 2021, Rumph is entering the final year of his rookie deal. The Dupree signing in May raised some questions about where Rumph will fit into the roster — and, more specifically, if the Chargers would have a spot for a fifth edge rusher on the 53-man.
Rumph’s 2023 season ended in frustrating fashion when he fractured his foot in pregame warmups ahead of the Week 10 game against the Lions. That fracture required surgery. Rumph had also missed time in 2022 with a knee injury. And he was sidelined for organized team activities and minicamp this spring.
But Rumph was back for the start of training camp. And so far, he is answering questions with his play. Rumph has been one of the most consistent playmakers along the defensive front since pads came on earlier this week.
“I’ve been really excited about Chris since we came back,” defensive coordinator Jesse Minter said this week. “He’s a guy that in the offseason program was around and learning, and you could sense his attitude and energy. It’s so consistent at a high level every day. And now that he’s out there with pads on, man, that’s what I was hoping to see.”
Rumph is making a strong case to make the 53-man as a fifth edge rusher. His play defensively, both as a pass rusher and run defender, is a big reason why. But he has also been a mainstay on coordinator Ryan Ficken’s special teams units, playing on both kickoffs and punts.
Mack, Bosa and Dupree will not be playing on special teams. Tuipulotu will. Typically, a team’s third and fourth edge rushers will have prominent roles on special teams. That will not be the case for the Chargers. But keeping Rumph as a fifth edge rusher would still provide them with two core special teams players from the position group. Rumph has played 651 special teams snaps in his career.
The flashes defensively are still an important piece in the evaluation, however. And Rumph took over practice during a three-play stretch with the second-team defense Friday. On first down, quarterback Max Duggan handed off to running back Jaret Patterson on a rush up the middle. Rumph crashed off the edge and stuffed Patterson for a 2-yard gain.
On second-and-8, Rumph created pressure off the offense’s left side and flushed Duggan from the pocket. On third down, Rumph beat right tackle Alex Leatherwood cleanly to the inside and got home for a sack.
This came one day after Rumph had one of the defensive plays of practice. During a live period Thursday, Rumph surged into the backfield off the edge and tackled running back Isaiah Spiller for a loss.
“He plays long,” Minter said of Rumph. “He uses his tools really well. I think he’s progressing the right way, and it’s great to have another guy.”
Dupree turned 31 in February. Last season was the first time he played more than 11 games since 2019. Bosa has played in just 14 games over the past two regular seasons because of several injuries. Mack turned 33 in February.
It would be smart to have some insurance for this position group, and Rumph could provide that.
“Stuff happens,” Minter said. “Stuff happened here in the past with guys. And so in a perfect world, all 17 games, those four guys are rocking, and that’s what we hope for, that’s what we’ve planned for. But at the same time, I think Chris is a great option to give those guys a spell at times.”
Rough day for QBs
Friday was Day 2 without Justin Herbert, and the quarterbacks struggled.
Easton Stick, once again taking the starting reps, threw two interceptions. Duggan also threw an interception.
Stick threw the first interception of practice during an 11-on-11 two-minute drill. His pass was batted at the line of scrimmage, and Kristian Fulton picked off the deflected ball.
Later, on a third-and-6, Duggan tried to force a ball into rookie receiver Brenden Rice on the left side. Rookie cornerback Cam Hart broke on the route and got his hand in the passing lane for another deflection. This time, linebacker Nick Niemann snagged it and returned it for a touchdown.
The final play of 11-on-11 was also an interception. On fourth down, Stick threw over the middle, where linebacker Troy Dye was patrolling. He leaped and tipped the ball in the air before coming down with the pick.
The uneven play extended beyond the interceptions. Stick missed a number of open receivers. On the first series of practice, he overthrew Stone Smartt on a crossing route. Shortly thereafter, he overthrew tight end Hayden Hurst on a comeback route. The defense then dominated the offense in a seven-on-seven period in the red zone, breaking up four of Stick’s six passes. Defensive backs Ja’Sir Taylor, AJ Finley, Asante Samuel Jr. and Tarheeb Still all had pass breakups.
Stick did have one excellent throw in the 11-on-11 session, finding Hurst on a post route for a 30-yard touchdown. But the negatives far outweighed the positives for Stick in Friday’s practice.
With Justin Herbert sidelined, Chargers backup Easton Stick returns to the spotlight
News and notes
• Herbert, receiver Quentin Johnston, running back Kimani Vidal, offensive lineman Jamaree Salyer, linebacker Junior Colson and receiver Leon Johnson did not practice Friday. Tight end Donald Parham Jr. and linebacker Jeremiah Jean-Baptiste worked off to the side. Bosa did not participate in team drills.
• Rookie receiver Ladd McConkey came up limping after making a catch on the opening play of seven-on-seven. McConkey tested out what appeared to be a lower-extremity injury before walking inside with a trainer. He did not return. McConkey also missed Thursday’s practice. Coach Jim Harbaugh said McConkey was working through something.
• Offensive lineman Trey Pipkins also left practice during 11-on-11. After Pipkins, who had been at right guard with the starting offense, departed with a trainer, the Chargers tested out several offensive line groupings. The first grouping: left tackle Rashawn Slater, left guard Zion Johnson, center Brenden Jaimes, right guard Bradley Bozeman and right tackle Joe Alt. The second: left tackle Slater, left guard Johnson, center Bozeman, right guard Jaimes and right tackle Alt.
Salyer has missed the past three practices after he was rolled up on in 11-on-11. Since then, Jaimes has been the sixth offensive lineman. When Slater was in and out of team drills because of an injury earlier this week, the Chargers played Pipkins at tackle, moved Bozeman to right guard and used Jaimes at center.
• Running back Gus Edwards looked lively as a rusher in Friday’s practice. He found a crease on a cutback to the inside on the opening play of the nine-on-seven run period. Later, he picked up a fresh set of downs on a first-down rush up the middle. Jaimes was at center and Bozeman was at guard for this long run.
Spoiler:
When asked how Fascism starts, Bertrand Russell once said:
"First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."
"First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."
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bwgood77 wrote:Well, the usual injuries popping up in training camp. Now McConkey and Pipkins left injured.Spoiler:
I don't get too up or down about training camp reports, because I figure when someone is looking good or making a play, another guy is probably failing to make a play. I also figure the QB's have it pretty easy since they can't actually get hit.
But man the tenor of the QB notes changed as soon as it was Stick and Duggan out there instead of Herbert. And when a QB misses an open guy, that is completely on the QB (assuming the receiver didn't break off the route or something like that.) Herbert hasn't really had the opportunity to show how high his ceiling is gonna be in the NFL, but for sure his floor is really high.
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Chargers’ AJ Finley emerging as front-runner in third-safety battle at training camp
By Daniel Popper
Aug 5, 2024
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. — Heading into training camp, the Los Angeles Chargers’ third safety spot was an open competition.
Through 11 practices, a front-runner is emerging: AJ Finley.
The battle is not over. The Chargers have more than a month, including three preseason games, before they open the season against the Las Vegas Raiders in September. But over the past week, Finley has been garnering more and more reps with the first-team defense. What started as a 50-50 split in reps between Finley and third-year safety JT Woods is now firmly leaning toward Finley.
“You work your whole life for opportunities like this,” Finley said after Monday’s practice.
In this version of defensive coordinator Jesse Minter’s scheme — and really any scheme built around safety Derwin James Jr. — the third safety spot is far more than a depth piece. One of James’ most impactful attributes is his versatility. He can play in the deep part of the field. He can play in the box. He can play in the slot. He can match up one-on-one with running backs, tight ends and receivers. He can rush the passer from myriad alignments.
When James moves to different positions — namely into the slot or to dime ’backer in six-defensive-back packages — a third safety must come onto the field to replace him in the back end of the defense. That is where Finley fits into Minter’s defensive equation.
In many ways, this third safety becomes a limiting reactant. James’ versatility is only as valuable as the quality of the player replacing him.
Take Mike Macdonald’s 2023 Baltimore Ravens defense as an example. Minter coached in Baltimore for four seasons as a defensive assistant and DBs coach. Macdonald was the Ravens’ linebackers coach for those four seasons. After one season at Michigan in 2021, Macdonald returned to Baltimore in 2022 as defensive coordinator. Last season, safety Kyle Hamilton was a first-team All-Pro. He played all over Macdonald’s defense, including in the slot. The Ravens got a breakout season from safety Geno Stone in 2023 as their third safety. Stone had seven interceptions. Hamilton’s versatility blossomed, in part, thanks to Stone’s emergence.
That is the recipe. And it’s important to note Minter comes from the same tree as Macdonald.
The third safety position is paramount. A reliable player at that spot allows James to move around without sacrificing on the back end. Right now, Finley is positioned to claim that role.
When James moved to the slot during Sunday’s joint practice with the Los Angeles Rams, Finley was the first safety on the field. When safety Alohi Gilman missed two practices last week for the birth of his child, Finley worked as the second starting safety next to James. Monday, James sat out practice. Finley worked with the starters again.
Sunday, Finley flashed late in practice during the two-minute drill, working against Jimmy Garoppolo and the Rams’ second-team offense. On a first down, he diagnosed a corner route from Rams receiver Tutu Atwell to his side of the field. Finley timed his rotation from safety well and forced Garoppolo to throw into a tighter window. The ball sailed out of bounds. On the next play, Garoppolo threw to receiver Tyler Johnson over the middle. Finley broke downhill and jumped the route, nearly picking the ball off.
Friday, Finley had a pass breakup in the red zone in seven-on-seven. Quarterback Easton Stick threw to tight end Hayden Hurst in the middle of the end zone. Hurst tried to post up Finley. Finley fought through Hurst’s 6-foot-4 frame and knocked the pass away.
Finley had another pass breakup in seven-on-seven in Monday’s practice, this time working from the slot, where he has been cross-training in camp.
“I feel like a safety has to do everything — play in the slot, play deep, play in the box,” Finley said.
The playmaking has been there from Finley. But what has really separated him so far in camp is his communication, which is one of Minter’s defensive pillars. Minter calls it “obnoxious communication.”
The Chargers have several good communicators on defense, from James to Gilman to linebacker Denzel Perryman. Finley, even as a young player with limited defensive experience in the NFL, makes his voice heard when he is on the field. His calls, checks and guidance have been audible throughout camp alongside those of his veteran teammates.
Minter mentioned Finley’s communication earlier in camp.
“If you’re a quiet safety,” Finley said, “that’s no good.”
Finley joined the Chargers as an undrafted free agent out of Ole Miss in 2023. He made the 53-man roster coming out of camp. By Week 4, he was carving out time on special teams as a gunner on punts. Cornerback and gunner Deane Leonard was dealing with a hamstring injury, and Finley was the next man up.
Leonard dealt with another injury, this time a heel issue, late last season. Finley again was called upon at gunner. Against the Buffalo Bills in Week 16, Finley raced down from his spot at right gunner and hit Buffalo returner Deonte Harty, forcing a fumble. The Chargers recovered.
Finley finished the season with 199 special teams snaps, including 40 at gunner. Finley said the special teams experience helped him “gain a little confidence.”
“Going out there and knowing you can do it, I feel like that’s a big thing for a lot of guys,” Finley said. “If you go out there and you don’t know you can do it, I feel like that can hinder you a little bit. I had the confidence that I could do it the whole time. But honestly, going out there and making a few plays showed me that I could really do this thing.”
Cracking the defensive lineup consistently is the next step in Finley’s journey. And he does not have to look too far to see where his career could end up.
Gilman was a sixth-round pick in 2020. In his rookie season, Gilman earned his playing time on special teams with 172 snaps. In 2021, Gilman took over the third safety role behind James and Nasir Adderley. In 2022, he beat out Adderley for a starting job by the end of the season, as the Chargers made the playoffs. In 2023, Gilman was a full-time starter for the first time. And the Chargers extended him this offseason.
“I was in those positions,” Gilman said last week of the third safety role. “Because I have that perspective, I know how it feels, I’m constantly trying to build that in and instill into them to be able to prepare for those moments, because it could be anyone. You have to be ready, and it could change your career. It has for me.”
It is a difficult position to thrive in. On average, the third safety could only play 10 to 15 snaps per game. Of course, the role is game-plan dependent. For example, if James is playing significantly more in a slot for a specific matchup, then the third safety could play more. Still, the playing time is less consistent. Finley will be coming on only in specific sub packages — big nickel and dime.
Finley’s approach? Stay ready.
“Walk-through reps are something that guys take for granted,” Finley said. “Those are reps that, honestly, you got to treat them like a game rep. So walk-through reps, spring reps and then the few reps I get in those packages, take advantage of all of them, make sure you’re communicating, make sure those guys are comfortable with you in there.”
News and notes
• The Chargers were not in pads Monday after Sunday’s joint practice. It was a lighter practice with a much slower and less physical tempo. The Chargers are scheduled to be back in pads Tuesday.
• Chargers who did not practice: quarterback Justin Herbert, edge rusher Joey Bosa, James, receiver Ladd McConkey, offensive lineman Jamaree Salyer, offensive lineman Trey Pipkins III, fullback/tight end Ben Mason, running back Kimani Vidal, receiver Leon Johnson, linebacker Junior Colson.
• Herbert worked out in the weight room at the start of practice. He then came onto the field to watch the second half of practice. He had the walking boot on his right foot. Vidal, Johnson and Colson all worked off to the side. Colson was in a helmet for the first time this camp. James, McConkey, Salyer and Pipkins all made appearances on the field later in practice, watching from the sideline in shorts and T-shirts. Bosa did not appear on the field. He left Sunday’s joint practice with an apparent left hand/wrist injury. Receiver DJ Chark left practice midway through and went inside the facility. He returned to the field in a T-shirt and shorts for the end of practice.
• Cornerback Kristian Fulton had two interceptions in team drills Monday, including a pick six. He has four interceptions in the past three practices.
• Offensive lineman Jordan McFadden caught his first pass of training camp. He ran a flat route off play action, and rookie quarterback Casey Bauman connected with him. McFadden has been playing as a tight end and fullback in certain packages. This was his second target of camp. McFadden had a drop in the flat in Thursday’s practice. So some progress here as offensive coordinator Greg Roman and the Chargers build out a creative role for McFadden.
• Receiver Quentin Johnston and tight end Donald Parham Jr. were back in team drills.
• Rookie tackle Joe Alt and tackle Rashawn Slater were working together after practice. Alt said he has been debriefing with Slater after every practice to see what he can improve. “I’ve really been leaning on him,” Alt said of Slater.
Alt said Monday’s post-practice session focused on techniques in pass protection against bull rushes. “The idea of how to elevate the defender so you’re getting underneath them and really lifting them off the ground so they’re losing their power,” Alt said.
Spoiler:
When asked how Fascism starts, Bertrand Russell once said:
"First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."
"First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."
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Cant beleive Keenan is gone damn
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That's great to see regarding Finley, would be another nice UDFA find for us. Really hoping Derwin has a great bounce back season with the new defense.
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Chargers training camp, Day 12: When do the offensive struggles become concerning?
By Daniel Popper
Aug 6, 2024
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. — The Los Angeles Chargers offense has understandably dipped over the past five practices. Starting quarterback Justin Herbert remains out with an injury to the plantar fascia in his right foot, and Easton Stick has been taking all the reps with the first-team offense.
As Stick said Sunday after the joint practice with the Los Angeles Rams: “There are very few people in the world that can do what Justin Herbert does.”
At what point, though, does the stagnant offensive play go from understandable to concerning?
“We’re where we need to be,” offensive coordinator Greg Roman said Tuesday of his unit. “It’s not really results-oriented right now. It’s, ‘OK, are we using the right footwork? Are we doing the right things?’ … That’s what this process is all about.”
Roman added that the coaching staff is putting “ankle weights” on the offense right now. When asked what he meant by that, Roman noted that he is not “scheming anything” right now against the Chargers defense in practice.
“Sometimes we’re running plays that we would never run against that defense in a game, but they’re great teaching opportunities,” Roman said. “I would never run some of the stuff we’re doing in practice against our defense in a game. But guess what? We got to practice it. We got to learn it. We got to say, ‘Here’s why we like it versus this coverage and not this. But if they do spring this coverage on us, ball’s got to go here.’ Or run game, we’re running runs against fronts I would never run against, but we got to learn the plays and experience getting blitzed and blown up in the backfield. ‘Here’s why we got to do this, this or this to prevent this.’ You have to go through that. If you don’t, just, I don’t know.”
The reality: It’s difficult to gauge exactly where the offense is 12 practices into camp. There is the context Roman is talking about. What the Chargers do come Sept. 8 to attack the Las Vegas Raiders defense will be different from what they are doing now as they finish the final installation of the scheme. There is also the fact Herbert is not practicing. The Chargers said in a statement that Herbert is expected to be ready by Week 1. Herbert’s presence will, as receiver DJ Chark said Tuesday, “elevate” the performance of the offense.
Still, the results on the field are the results on the field.
The Chargers had a run period early in practice. On the first play, edge Khalil Mack got penetration off the left side for a tackle for loss. On the second play, edge rusher Tuli Tuipulotu stuffed a Gus Edwards rush up the middle.
Stick opened seven-on-seven with a completion to Joshua Palmer on an out route against zone coverage. The next three plays: a Derius Davis drop, a Stick throwaway and a Tarheeb Still interception off a deflection from linebacker Nick Niemann.
On the opening play of the ensuing 11-on-11 period, Mack had another run stop. On second down, Stick had good protection. He threw deep down the left sideline. No one was there. Two plays later, Stick was sacked off play action.
Later in that period, Stick got another series. On the first play, a second down, no one was open off play action, and Stick scrambled. On the next play, Stick threw behind tight end Donald Parham Jr., who was open over the middle. This should have been a completion.
Next came a low red zone period. Stick got one play, a fourth-and-goal from the 1-yard line. Palmer was open on a slant route out of the slot. Stick missed him.
In the next 11-on-11 period, Stick faced a third-and-10. He hit receiver Brenden Rice on a crossing route, but the completion was short of the sticks. The first-team offense punted.
The Chargers then held a longer red zone period. The offense started at the 25-yard line. If the defense forced a field goal, it got 4 points and the offense got 3 points. If the offense scored a touchdown, it got 7 points and the defense got nothing.
Stick connected with J.K. Dobbins on a swing route on first down. He handed off to Dobbins on second down. The offense was granted a first down on this run even though defensive lineman Otito Ogbonnia looked to be in a position to stop Dobbins short. A Dobbins run on the ensuing first down was stopped for a 1-yard gain. Ogbonnia was stout again on the interior. Stick then completed a shallow route to tight end Will Dissly over the middle. On third down, defensive lineman Morgan Fox got the defense off the field with a sack; 4 for the defense, 3 for the offense. Kicker Cameron Dicker connected from 33 yards.
The first-team offense got another turn later in the period. After a checkdown to running back Jaret Patterson, the Chargers faced a second-and-7. Stick dropped back. Palmer came open on a post route. Stick connected with Palmer past the coverage of cornerback Deane Leonard. But even this completion came with a caveat: Bud Dupree won his pass rush off the offense’s right side. He was in the backfield, and this could have easily been ruled a sack.
Palmer was shaken up on the play. He was pointing to his right knee as trainers came over to treat him. Coach Jim Harbaugh ended the period after this play and sent the Chargers into special teams drills.
Stick got one more series in 11-on-11. On the first play, Palmer — who returned to team drills after testing the knee on the sideline — was wide open on a deep over route. Stick threw wide of him, and the pass fell incomplete. Stick completed two more passes in the period — one to Rice and one to Palmer — before tucking and scrambling on a third-and-6.
“I feel like we were really picking it up early in camp,” Chark said. “I think we kind of had a little setback the last few days. Today was better. We just got to pick up on that. We’re playing against a really good defense every day, so they’re picking up on our tendencies, we’re picking up on theirs. But I think we had a little lull, but like I said, today was great, and we’ve had a lot of really great days.”
When asked what led to the lull, Chark said: “Obviously, with Justin not being there, he’s the heartbeat of this offense, for sure. So anytime you don’t have him in the huddle, it’s a difference.”
The Chargers announced the signing of former UFL and XFL quarterback Luis Perez during Tuesday’s practice.
News and notes
• Chargers who did not practice Tuesday: Herbert, safety Derwin James Jr., receiver Ladd McConkey, edge rusher Joey Bosa, offensive linemen Trey Pipkins III and Jamaree Salyer, tight end Hayden Hurst, fullback/tight end Ben Mason, linebacker Junior Colson and running back Kimani Vidal. Colson and Vidal were working off to the side. Rookie receiver Leon Johnson was in individual drills but worked off to the side during team drills.
• Jordan McFadden and Foster Sarell got first-team reps at right guard with Pipkins and Salyer sitting out. McFadden walked off the field and into the facility with trainers late in practice.
• Tight end Stone Smartt had an encouraging blocking period in one-on-one pass protection against the edge rushers and safeties. On the first rep, Smartt showed a good initial anchor against edge rusher Chris Collins. On the second, Smartt used his hands well to corral safety AJ Finley.
Spoiler:
When asked how Fascism starts, Bertrand Russell once said:
"First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."
"First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."
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Good to see things are coming together. We are going to need the backup QB to string together some solid production while Herbert is out. I'm hopeful it is just through the preseason and doesn't extend to when the games begin to count.
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bwgood77 wrote:Revived wrote:"Doctors have diagnosed him with plantar fascia in his right foot. And they're recommending that he stay in a walking boot for approximately two weeks before beginning a gradual return to play ramp up. The expectation right now is that they believe he should be ready for the regular season opener against the Las Vegas Raiders. But, let me say this. Number one , this is not how you want to start out your summer. This is not how you want to have your quarterback dealing with a walking boot if you're the new head coach of the Chargers in Jim Harbaugh. And this is the type of injury that stays with a player for a long period of time. He may be back for the regular season opener. that may be the expectation. But he's going to be playing through some discomfort in that foot I think, potentially, for the whole season."
The last part is what stings the most. Someone on Reddit mentioned how Antonio Gates had this injury too and he never was the same after and that he kept having foot injuries after. I don’t work in podiatry but I based on what I’ve read, this injury could stay with him for rest of his career.
Just when I was actually super excited about the Chargers for the first time in like 3-4 years (maybe longer).
Also, I don’t understand why they didn’t upgrade Easton Stick. He absolutely sucks balls and he showed that against the Raiders last season. There’s no way we couldn’t find a better backup than him in free agency or draft. Teams like Bengals were missing Joe Burrow for most of last season and they had a backup come in and look pretty solid for the season and kept them competitive.
I don’t mind losing games especially without Herbert but I’d like it to at least be with a guy at QB who is at least average/competent.
Ryan Tannehill is still available. Would be nice to get him for cheap.Best Remaining Quarterback Free Agents, 2024:
Ryan Tannehill
Trevor Siemian
Blaine Gabbert
A.J. McCarron
Brian Hoyer
Kellen Mond
Ben DiNucci
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/nfl-free-agents-best-available-players/
I’d take Tanney. But my heart wants Brian Hoyer(MSU grad). He also backed up Tom Brady for many years. He’s a smart dude and could probably help Herbert develop in reading coverages and such.
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Glass half full perspective of offense looking bad without Herbert is, we know it's not training camp inflation that is making Herbert and the Chargers' offense overall look better than it really is. We didn't need the last 5 days to know that the Chargers aren't fulfilling their potential without Herbert. But the results across all of camp shows that Herbert out there with our untested WR group may actually do better than expected when the games are real.
Again, that's the glass half full perspective but I think there's some validity to it.
Again, that's the glass half full perspective but I think there's some validity to it.
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Only thing I didn’t like that the Chargers did was hiring Greg Roman. He’s a failed coordinator who has had fans of teams he coaches in joy when he was fired both with Bills and Ravens.
Im surprised Jim’s brother John didn’t warn Jim about how much Roman sucks.
Wish we went with a better option at OC. Not surprising the offense is struggling under Roman…thought idk how much of that is due to Roman vs not having Herbert out there.
Im surprised Jim’s brother John didn’t warn Jim about how much Roman sucks.
Wish we went with a better option at OC. Not surprising the offense is struggling under Roman…thought idk how much of that is due to Roman vs not having Herbert out there.
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Chargers training camp, Day 14: Competition heating up at wide receiver
By Daniel Popper
Aug 9, 2024
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. — A battle is percolating in the Los Angeles Chargers’ receiver room.
The top three spots seem set. Joshua Palmer, DJ Chark and rookie Ladd McConkey distanced themselves early in training camp.
Further down the depth chart, the competition is wide open. In the mix: Quentin Johnston, Derius Davis, Simi Fehoko and rookies Brenden Rice and Jaylen Johnson.
A big question as the Chargers prepare for their preseason opener against the Seattle Seahawks is how many receivers the team will keep on the 53-man roster. Davis remains the primary kick and punt returner, and he should be a lock to make the roster as a result. It is hard to see the Chargers moving on from Johnston one year after the organization selected him in the first round — even if a different regime made that draft pick. With the top three included, that is five receivers.
Fehoko, Rice and Johnson are all having excellent camps. Together, they are making a strong case for the Chargers keeping six receivers.
Johnson flashed early in camp, and he has been regularly working in with the first-team offense over the past week. The undrafted free agent out of East Carolina has displayed sound route-running and reliable hands at all three levels of the field.
“He’s putting his hat in the ring,” Roman said of Johnson earlier this week.
Johnston, Rice and Fehoko all made splash plays in Thursday’s practice.
Johnston opened 11-on-11 drills with an explosive reception down the left sideline. He beat cornerback Tarheeb Still on a corner route, and quarterback Easton Stick delivered an accurate deep ball. Johnston made two more catches later in the period, both on comeback routes. On the first of those receptions, Johnston snatched a pass outside his frame with strong hands, amid some tight coverage from cornerback Deane Leonard.
Rice, a seventh-round pick out of USC in April, caught a 9-yard touchdown during a red zone period. He beat rookie cornerback Zamari Walton to the corner of the end zone. Stick showed tremendous touch on this throw. Rice tracked it well and got both feet in bounds smoothly.
Rice has an obvious feel for the position. Not a surprise, considering his father is Hall of Famer Jerry Rice. The younger Rice is a clean and fluid route runner, which he showed off in Wednesday’s practice when he beat Leonard on a comeback route to the outside left. Rice has enough speed to attack the deep part of the field, and he uses his 6-foot-3 frame well in contested-catch situations.
“He can run all day,” Roman said of Rice. “He’s really working hard and really has a presence about himself out there.”
Fehoko, who played six games for the Chargers last season, had the play of the day in Thursday’s practice. On the snap after Rice’s touchdown, Fehoko came open on a route to the back right corner of the end zone. Stick recognized Fehoko’s separation early and made a layered anticipation throw. Fehoko ran underneath it and just got both feet in bounds. He showed incredible body control and coordination on this catch.
Fehoko also had two touchdowns in the red zone in Wednesday’s practice.
The fight for roster spots is on. So, too, is the fight for who will be the fourth receiver after Chark, Palmer and McConkey.
McConkey was back at practice Thursday for the first time in six days. He did not participate in team drills. The Chargers will call on their receiver depth at some point this season.
Saturday represents an opportunity for all five of these receivers in the mix for the bottom half of the 53-man depth chart.
“Who do you keep on the team? The best players,” Harbaugh said Thursday when asked about this position battle. “How do you know who the best are? They play the best.”
• Chargers who did not practice: quarterback Justin Herbert; edge rusher Joey Bosa; Davis; cornerback Cam Hart; center Bradley Bozeman; running back J.K. Dobbins; fullback/tight end Ben Mason; offensive lineman Jamaree Salyer; and linebacker Junior Colson. Hart and Colson worked off to the side.
• Bosa has not practiced since Sunday when he appeared to injure his left hand/wrist late in the joint practice with the Los Angeles Rams. Harbaugh said Thursday that Bosa will be “likely ready to go when the season starts.” The Chargers open the regular season Sept. 8 against the Las Vegas Raiders at home.
• Herbert still had a walking boot on his right foot at Thursday’s practice. Herbert is dealing with an injury to his plantar fascia. The Chargers said in a statement Aug. 1 that Herbert will be in the boot for approximately two weeks. The two-week mark will be Aug. 15. When asked for an update on Herbert’s progress, Harbaugh said the recovery has “been very positive” thus far.
• Safety Derwin James Jr. and Palmer did not participate in team drills Thursday. James has not been in team drills since Sunday’s joint practice with the Rams.
• Brenden Jaimes was at center with the first-team offense with Bozeman sitting out.
• Harbaugh said Bosa, edge rusher Khalil Mack, Dobbins and running back Gus Edwards will not be playing Saturday against the Seahawks. Harbaugh added that a “few others” will not be playing. “There’s a couple on each side of the ball,” Harbaugh said.
• Stick will start at quarterback Saturday, according to Harbaugh. The plan is for Stick to play “around a quarter and a half, 20 to 30 plays,” Harbaugh said. Duggan will replace Stick, according to Harbaugh. Then Bauman and Perez will enter after Duggan, Harbaugh said.
• Defensive lineman Scott Matlock took a snap with the offense in a goal-line package. He was aligned on the line of scrimmage.
Spoiler:
When asked how Fascism starts, Bertrand Russell once said:
"First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."
"First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."
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Chargers’ 53-man roster projection: A case to be made for keeping 6 receivers
By Daniel Popper
Aug 12, 2024
The Los Angeles Chargers have completed 14 training camp practices, and they opened their preseason Saturday with a 16-3 loss to the Seattle Seahawks at home. With two weeks of camp remaining, the confines of the 53-man roster are starting to take shape.
Final cuts will be announced Aug. 27. The Chargers open the regular season Sept. 8 against the division-rival Las Vegas Raiders.
As the dog days of camp turn into the home stretch, let’s reset with our first 53-man roster projection of the summer.
Who is in? Who is out? And where are the pressure points on the roster?
Quarterbacks (2)
Justin Herbert, Easton Stick
Who’s out: Max Duggan, Casey Bauman, Luis Perez
Herbert has not practiced since July 31 as he deals with an injury to the plantar fascia in his right foot. He has been in a walking boot since Aug. 1. Herbert was on the sideline for Saturday’s preseason opener and still had the walking boot on. According to the timeline the Chargers detailed in a statement announcing the injury, Herbert is expected to be in the walking boot for approximately two weeks. Aug. 15 would mark two weeks since the walking boot came on. The most important part: Coach Jim Harbaugh said last week that Herbert’s progress has been “very positive.” The team expects Herbert to be on the field against the Raiders in Week 1.
Will this injury linger? That’s the bigger question. If it does, the Chargers will have a massive problem. Stick’s struggles in training camp practices continued into the preseason opener Saturday. His regression this year has been puzzling, considering he showed signs of development in his four starts at the end of last season. Stick’s decision-making and accuracy are quite noticeably worse. At this stage, the Chargers do not have a better option on the roster for backup quarterback. Duggan has not played better than Stick. Bauman could not even get into the preseason game. Perez has been with the team for less than a week. Perhaps Perez makes strides over these final two weeks and pushes Stick for the job. I am not there yet.
When asked Saturday if the team will continue looking outside the building for quarterbacks, as they did with Perez, Harbaugh replied: “Anything’s possible.”
Running backs (4)
Gus Edwards, J.K. Dobbins, Jaret Patterson, Isaiah Spiller
Who’s out: Kimani Vidal, Elijah Dotson
Patterson has impressed the coaching staff, and he appears to have grasped the RB3 role right now. Of the four backs competing behind Edwards and Dobbins, Patterson has gotten the most reps with the first team in practice. He was also the first running back in the game Saturday, ahead of both Spiller and Dotson. Dobbins and Edwards, the veterans, did not suit up. Vidal was in uniform for warmups but did not dress for the game.
Of course, it is a bit jarring to see a sixth-round pick left off the roster. But, as always, I am just basing this projection on what I am seeing. Spiller is on the first-team punt unit. He has familiarity with special teams coordinator Ryan Ficken. That flexibility ends up being hugely important for these bottom-of-the-roster decisions. Vidal has also been dealing with an injury and missed four full days of practice earlier this month, including the joint practice with the Los Angeles Rams. That injury likely influenced Vidal sitting out the preseason game.
This competition is still wide open. Right now, I think Patterson and Spiller have the edge over Vidal. That could change through the final two weeks of camp and, most importantly, the last two preseason games.
Receivers (6)
Joshua Palmer, Ladd McConkey, DJ Chark, Quentin Johnston, Derius Davis, Brenden Rice
Who’s out: Simi Fehoko, Cornelius Johnson, Jaylen Johnson, Jaelen Gill, Leon Johnson, Praise Olatoke
Heading into camp, I thought the Chargers would only keep five receivers. But impressive performances from a number of young receivers have forced me to open up an additional spot in this group. Right now, I am keeping Rice as the sixth receiver. He has shown me he can be a productive receiver at this level. His size, athleticism, route-running, hands and instincts are all NFL-caliber. However, like in the running back room, this remains wide open. Fehoko continues to make plays, including 29-yard reception against the Seahawks. Fehoko also played on all core-four special teams units in the preseason opener — kickoff, kick return, punt and punt return. That flexibility is notable. Rookie Jaylen Johnson has also had a great camp, pushing himself onto the roster bubble.
Tight ends (3)
Will Dissly, Hayden Hurst, Stone Smartt
Who’s out: Donald Parham Jr., Zach Heins, Luke Benson, Ben Mason
This group has presented an almost opposite situation to the receivers. I figured the Chargers would be keeping four tight ends heading into camp. The position is just so important for a run-heavy Greg Roman offense. And yet I do not see four tight ends on this roster worthy of making the 53-man. Mason and Parham have both missed significant practice time with injuries. When Parham has been on the field, he has been working with the second and third teams. And his blocking remains a weakness. Heins and Benson have both flashed, but I do not see them as better players than any of the receivers competing for the sixth spot in that room. I think the Chargers will have enough with these three tight ends. Smartt has improved as a blocker, and that is why I think he will earn a spot on the 53-man.
Offensive line (9)
Rashawn Slater, Zion Johnson, Bradley Bozeman, Trey Pipkins III, Joe Alt, Brenden Jaimes, Jamaree Salyer, Jordan McFadden, Foster Sarell
Who’s out: Alex Leatherwood, Brent Laing, Tyler McLellan, Willis Patrick, Bucky Williams, Karsen Barnhart
While Salyer has been sidelined with a lower-half injury, Jaimes has moved into the sixth OL position on the depth chart. The starting group when everyone is healthy: LT Slater, LG Johnson, C Bozeman, RG Pipkins, RT Alt. When Pipkins was dealing with an injury, the Chargers played Jaimes at both center and right guard. When Jaimes was at center, Bozeman was at right guard. When Jaimes was at right guard, Bozeman was at center. The Chargers also experimented with McFadden and Sarell at right guard while Pipkins was still limited in team drills while coming back from his injury.
McFadden is a versatile piece who has played both jumbo tight end and fullback in camp. The fullback flexibility between McFadden and Dissly means the Chargers do not necessarily have to keep a full-time fullback on the roster. Salyer, when healthy, is the Chargers sixth-best offensive lineman, with tackle and guard flexibility. The battle in this group is between Sarell and Leatherwood. Sarell has played better in practice, and he was better against the Seahawks. Leatherwood allowed six pressures on 20 pass-blocking snaps Saturday, all at left tackle, according to TruMedia. The Chargers have played Leatherwood sparingly at guard in camp. I have Sarell with an edge in this battle, especially if he can develop guard flexibility. Sarell did not allow a pressure in 10 pass-blocking snaps at guard against the Seahawks, according to TruMedia.
I think Ford, Fox, Ogbonnia, Matlock and Eboigbe are locks to make the roster. The question is whether Hinton will make the roster as a sixth interior defensive lineman. Hinton has played well in camp, especially in run defense, which is why I am including him in this projection. He also played for Harbaugh at Michigan.
The Chargers could decide to use this spot on offense, perhaps in the tight end room. General manager Joe Hortiz comes from the Baltimore Ravens, where he spent 26 years in the personnel department. Worth noting that the Ravens only kept four interior defensive linemen on their 53-man roster last season.
Edge rushers (5)
Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Tuli Tuipulotu, Bud Dupree, Chris Rumph II
Who’s out: Tre’Mon Morris-Brash, Ty Shelby, Andrew Farmer II, Chris Collins
I think Rumph has played himself onto the roster at this stage. If Rumph does not make the roster, the Chargers would only have one edge rusher — Tuipulotu — playing on special teams. Rumph is a core-four special-teamer with experience under Ficken. Having an extra body in this room makes sense given Bosa’s injury history. Also, Mack is 33, and Dupree is 31. The name to watch in this group is Morris-Brash. I see a player potentially worthy of the 53-man roster. He’s had dominant moments as a rusher and run defender off the edge. Will the Chargers keep six edge rushers? I’m not there just yet.
Linebackers (5)
Daiyan Henley, Denzel Perryman, Nick Niemann, Troy Dye, Junior Colson
Who’s out: Jeremiah Jean-Baptiste, Shane Lee
This group feels set. Perryman and Henley are the starters. Niemann and Dye have both played really well in training camp in all facets of the position — coverage, run defense and pass rush. The linebackers have turned into one of the Chargers’ deepest positions. The performances up and down the depth chart have been that consistent. And I write that even though Colson, a third-round pick in April, has yet to practice in training camp after undergoing an appendectomy. Lee had some notable moments against the Seahawks, namely his goal-line stand on fourth down. He is firmly in contention for the practice squad.
Safety (4)
Derwin James Jr., Alohi Gilman, AJ Finley, JT Woods
Who’s out: Tony Jefferson, Akeem Dent, Thomas Harper, Jalyn Phillips
I am leaving Jefferson off the 53-man roster for now because he has been working almost exclusively with the third team in practice. I think the Chargers can waive him and then stash the veteran on the practice squad. Finley is close to winning the third safety job. Woods looked like a more confident, physical player in the preseason opener.
Cornerback (6)
Asante Samuel Jr., Kristian Fulton, Ja’Sir Taylor, Deane Leonard, Tarheeb Still, Cam Hart
Who’s out: Matt Hankins, Chris Wilcox, Zamari Walton, Robert Kennedy
Hankins is the seventh corner pushing to get onto the roster bubble. Hart is dealing with an injury. He did not play against the Seahawks. If Hart’s injury lingers, perhaps the Chargers could consider keeping a seventh corner. Samuel and Fulton are the starters outside. Taylor is the starter in the slot. The top six are pretty firmly entrenched at this stage.
Specialists (3)
P JK Scott, LS Josh Harris, PK Cameron Dicker
No competition in the specialist group, and rightfully so. Dicker and Scott have both looked great in camp. Dicker hit a 58-yard field goal against the Seahawks. That would have qualified as a career long for him if he had made it during the regular season.
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