best forward available to PHX for Grayson Allen?

[Mavrelous]

The thing that pops into my mind is DFS for Allen should be a straightforward swap, although Allen should maybe head to a third team.

DFS to PHX
Allen to ORL
Cole Ant/DEN 1st to BK

[toooskies]

The thing that pops into my mind is DFS for Allen should be a straightforward swap, although Allen should maybe head to a third team.

DFS to PHX
Allen to ORL
Cole Ant/DEN 1st to BK

Yeah, I thought about Orlando, but need a PG more than a SG given they've got Suggs/KCP/Harris at the 2 already.

[jbk1234]

Given his contract, Allen is a pretty valuable player IMO. The problem with fit trades, where you lose on value, is that your team is rarely better after them.

[jredsaz]

Maybe a tripper for an enforcer? (Allen for Stewart, both starting 4 year deals, Allen owed 10 mil more).

I dislike even looking at Grayson Allen, but I can’t deny that he’d be a great fit here. We’d need to move some other pieces (a guard or two for a big in another deal), but I wouldn’t hate it.

thought about including Stewart in there as well, I just know some Pistons fans adore him so i didn't

Grayson is just the better player than Stew and I like Stew a lot. I think everyone on the list you provided would need to come along with some value to make the trade palatable for the Suns.

[jredsaz]

The thing that pops into my mind is DFS for Allen should be a straightforward swap, although Allen should maybe head to a third team.

Allen is a much better player than DFS at this point in their careers

[jredsaz]

The thing that pops into my mind is DFS for Allen should be a straightforward swap, although Allen should maybe head to a third team.

DFS to PHX
Allen to ORL
Cole Ant/DEN 1st to BK

Why does DFS have this kind of value? He hasn’t been very good since he got dealt to Brooklyn. That first would need to go to Phoenix.

[Mavrelous]

The thing that pops into my mind is DFS for Allen should be a straightforward swap, although Allen should maybe head to a third team.

DFS to PHX
Allen to ORL
Cole Ant/DEN 1st to BK

Why does DFS have this kind of value? He hasn’t been very good since he got dealt to Brooklyn. That first would need to go to Phoenix.

He's still great defensively and can guard 1-5, his shot has been bad since he left Dallas, but in PHX he should go back to having lots of looks.

[Hook_Em]

Tyus and Monte are probably in Phoenix for one year. No reason to give up guards under contract beyond 2025 for an insignificant forward.

[DanishLakerFan]

in year 1 of a 4/70M contract who makes $15.63M this year, Allen's salary is better used on a forward with size so that the Suns aren't playing three guards at all times.

Just looking at forwards with similar salaries:

- is DFS available for Allen + 2nds? he feels like a great fit for this unit
- Olynyk?
- Brandon Clarke?
- Larry Nance?

Would Rui Hachimura work?

[gswhoops]

Given his contract, Allen is a pretty valuable player IMO. The problem with fit trades, where you lose on value, is that your team is rarely better after them.

Yeah I mean this is a fundamental issue here. When you're trading a less valuable archetype (scoring guard with questionable defense) for a more valuable one (strong defensive forward who can also hit 3s) without adding value, the player you get back is going to be inherently less talented.

[jbk1234]

Given his contract, Allen is a pretty valuable player IMO. The problem with fit trades, where you lose on value, is that your team is rarely better after them.

Yeah I mean this is a fundamental issue here. When you're trading a less valuable archetype (scoring guard with questionable defense) for a more valuable one (strong defensive forward who can also hit 3s) without adding value, the player you get back is going to be inherently less talented.

I have Allen's defense as solid enough that he doesn't really fall into the Clarkson, Simons, Anthony category. He's closer to a two-way player than a one-way player. Allen's not the problem, Beal is the problem, and swapping Allen for a guy like Olynyk isn't going to fix that.

[jredsaz]

DFS to PHX
Allen to ORL
Cole Ant/DEN 1st to BK

Why does DFS have this kind of value? He hasn’t been very good since he got dealt to Brooklyn. That first would need to go to Phoenix.

He's still great defensively and can guard 1-5, his shot has been bad since he left Dallas, but in PHX he should go back to having lots of looks.

I think it’s a stretch to say DFS is a great defender at this point and that he can still guard 1-5 effectively. But he is a good defender but that’s not super valuable without the shooting. Can’t trade not trading Allen for that.

[jredsaz]

Given his contract, Allen is a pretty valuable player IMO. The problem with fit trades, where you lose on value, is that your team is rarely better after them.

Yeah I mean this is a fundamental issue here. When you're trading a less valuable archetype (scoring guard with questionable defense) for a more valuable one (strong defensive forward who can also hit 3s) without adding value, the player you get back is going to be inherently less talented.

I have Allen's defense as solid enough that he doesn't really fall into the Clarkson, Simons, Anthony category. He's closer to a two-way player than a one-way player. Allen's not the problem, Beal is the problem, and swapping Allen for a guy like Olynyk isn't going to fix that.

I agree with that assessment of where Allen is as a player right now. He has hit his prime and he is as smart a basketball player as he is a **** person. He shoots the lights out but he moves the ball, attacks off close outs, and consistently good and quick decisions on both ends.

Beal isn’t a problem if they win a lot of basketball games but he and Allen are wildly redundant for this roster. I think it works great in the regular season but post season success might hinge on figuring out how to turn Allen into another big wing.

[Scoot McGroot]

in year 1 of a 4/70M contract who makes $15.63M this year, Allen's salary is better used on a forward with size so that the Suns aren't playing three guards at all times.

Just looking at forwards with similar salaries:

- is DFS available for Allen + 2nds? he feels like a great fit for this unit
- Olynyk?
- Brandon Clarke?
- Larry Nance?

Would Rui Hachimura work?

No. Rui makes $17m this year, and Phoenix cannot aggregate or add salary in any trade, so he makes too much for Allen’s $15.625m deal.