RGM GOAT Debate Thread

[Lakers In 5]

You dared to not include LeBron at all?

By all around, I mean triple double threat; a guy who does a bit of everything. Lebron has been more of a prolific scorer than an all around player; it's hard to classify, but I just don't see him as an all around player like Kidd, Magic, Doncic, etc.

Huh?

[SlimShady83]

You dared to not include LeBron at all?

By all around, I mean triple double threat: a guy who does a bit of everything. Lebron has been more of a prolific scorer than an all around player; it's hard to classify, but I just don't see him as an all around player like Kidd, Magic, Doncic, etc.

I'm open to a debate on this subject matter.

Sadly I think you've lose the plot on this one my man... While I'm a Bron hater with a passion as much as "One and Done" Is on Kobe I'm with Bron, But Bron Is an all round player his a stat pad master - and I'm saying that with as hatred passion for him - I admit It I hate Bron, But his good at what he does. I'd still choose Bird and his Celtics over any of Bron's super teams though - It's why I have Bird at number 3 on my top 10 list haha - haters gonna hate.

[Lo Wang]

You dared to not include LeBron at all?

By all around, I mean triple double threat: a guy who does a bit of everything. Lebron has been more of a prolific scorer than an all around player; it's hard to classify, but I just don't see him as an all around player like Kidd, Magic, Doncic, etc.

I'm open to a debate on this subject matter.

Sadly I think you've lose the plot on this one my man... While I'm a Bron hater with a passion as much as "One and Done" Is on Kobe I'm with Bron, But Bron Is an all round player his a stat pad master - and I'm saying that with as hatred passion for him - I admit It I hate Bron, But his good at what he does. I'd still choose Bird and his Celtics over any of Bron's super teams though.

I understand your point. He can do everything: assist, score, rebound, defense, walk on water, etc., but he's only had one great year as the primary facilitator when the Lakers won the championship at Disney World. He averaged 10.2 assists, but for the most part, he's been a 30 point 6 assist guy. Those are Kobe, Shai, Curry, Jordan numbers, so he belongs in that tier. Trust me, that's the tier he wants to be in. All-around guys are a tier below those guys. It's not a diss on Lebron calling him a prolific scorer.

[SlimShady83]

By all around, I mean triple double threat: a guy who does a bit of everything. Lebron has been more of a prolific scorer than an all around player; it's hard to classify, but I just don't see him as an all around player like Kidd, Magic, Doncic, etc.

I'm open to a debate on this subject matter.

Sadly I think you've lose the plot on this one my man... While I'm a Bron hater with a passion as much as "One and Done" Is on Kobe I'm with Bron, But Bron Is an all round player his a stat pad master - and I'm saying that with as hatred passion for him - I admit It I hate Bron, But his good at what he does. I'd still choose Bird and his Celtics over any of Bron's super teams though.

walk on water, etc.

I'm kind of drunk "It's Late Friday for me" haha, but I never ever said Lebron walks on water - that's Jordan's level LOL Jordan the one who walks on Water,

Peace out Slim

[Lo Wang]

Sadly I think you've lose the plot on this one my man... While I'm a Bron hater with a passion as much as "One and Done" Is on Kobe I'm with Bron, But Bron Is an all round player his a stat pad master - and I'm saying that with as hatred passion for him - I admit It I hate Bron, But his good at what he does. I'd still choose Bird and his Celtics over any of Bron's super teams though.

walk on water, etc.

I'm kind of drunk "It's Late Friday for me" haha, but I never ever said Lebron walks on water - that's Jordan's level LOL Jordan the one who walks on Water,

Peace out Slim

Hey bro, take a shot for me. Cheers because I'm drinking too. Wine + Posting = Better than a happy ending. Yes I drink wine. I'm an old fart just trying to be as cool as some of you kids.

[jerok]

Sadly I think you've lose the plot on this one my man... While I'm a Bron hater with a passion as much as "One and Done" Is on Kobe I'm with Bron, But Bron Is an all round player his a stat pad master - and I'm saying that with as hatred passion for him - I admit It I hate Bron, But his good at what he does. I'd still choose Bird and his Celtics over any of Bron's super teams though.

walk on water, etc.

I'm kind of drunk "It's Late Friday for me" haha, but I never ever said Lebron walks on water - that's Jordan's level LOL Jordan the one who walks on Water,

Peace out Slim

With Scottie holding his hand.

[CBS7]

Weird to omit LeBron because of his scoring but include Doncic who just averaged more points than LeBron ever did

[Sofia]

By all around, I mean triple double threat: a guy who does a bit of everything. Lebron has been more of a prolific scorer than an all around player; it's hard to classify, but I just don't see him as an all around player like Kidd, Magic, Doncic, etc.

I'm open to a debate on this subject matter.

Sadly I think you've lose the plot on this one my man... While I'm a Bron hater with a passion as much as "One and Done" Is on Kobe I'm with Bron, But Bron Is an all round player his a stat pad master - and I'm saying that with as hatred passion for him - I admit It I hate Bron, But his good at what he does. I'd still choose Bird and his Celtics over any of Bron's super teams though.

I understand your point. He can do everything: assist, score, rebound, defense, walk on water, etc., but he's only had one great year as the primary facilitator when the Lakers won the championship at Disney World. He averaged 10.2 assists, but for the most part, he's been a 30 point 6 assist guy. Those are Kobe, Shai, Curry, Jordan numbers, so he belongs in that tier. Trust me, that's the tier he wants to be in. All-around guys are a tier below those guys. It's not a diss on Lebron calling him a prolific scorer.

Only 5 of the guys you listed have higher career assists per game average than LeBron.

In fact, LeBron is 26th all time in assists per game - the highest for a non-guard. The only other top 50 non guards are Jokic (33rd) and Bird (50th).

[jerok]

You dared to not include LeBron at all?

By all around, I mean triple double threat: a guy who does a bit of everything. Lebron has been more of a prolific scorer than an all around player; it's hard to classify, but I just don't see him as an all around player like Kidd, Magic, Doncic, etc.

I'm open to a debate on this subject matter because I admit I could be wrong.

This is a weird take.
LeBron's more like Magic than he is MJ.
Luka grew up idolizing Lebron, hence why you see some Lebron characteristics in Luka.

He's got career totals of 40k 10k 10k,
And in his prime he was a locked down defender (not so much anymore).

I think it would be just hateful to not include him.
But I mean you are entitled to your own opinion, so I can respect that.

[SlimShady83]

walk on water, etc.

I'm kind of drunk "It's Late Friday for me" haha, but I never ever said Lebron walks on water - that's Jordan's level LOL Jordan the one who walks on Water,

Peace out Slim

With Scottie holding his hand.

We all have our sidekicks; Bron/Wade, Bosh, Bron, Irving/Love ... Kobe/Shaq/Pau ... etc etc after all the King (lol) himself said It's a team sport and It's "just basketball".

[One Last Shot]

You dared to not include LeBron at all?

By all around, I mean triple double threat: a guy who does a bit of everything. Lebron has been more of a prolific scorer than an all around player; it's hard to classify, but I just don't see him as an all around player like Kidd, Magic, Doncic, etc.

I'm open to a debate on this subject matter because I admit I could be wrong.

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[SlimShady83]

Dear god this turning Into another merge thread Isn't LOL ...
Almost every Friday/Saturday LOL

[MavsDirk41]

Jordan

[MavsDirk41]

I always look forward at how bad the cowboys will choke in january!

Kind of like 2011 nba finals James choke lol?

And like how Dirk choked in the first round in 2007 against the 8th seeded Warriors.

He redeemed himself in 2011, spent two decades with the Mavs, and never crawled away to team up with other superstar players to form a superteam. I would take his 2011 championship over any other.

[Lo Wang]

You dared to not include LeBron at all?

By all around, I mean triple double threat: a guy who does a bit of everything. Lebron has been more of a prolific scorer than an all around player; it's hard to classify, but I just don't see him as an all around player like Kidd, Magic, Doncic, etc.

I'm open to a debate on this subject matter because I admit I could be wrong.

This is a weird take.
LeBron's more like Magic than he is MJ.
Luka grew up idolizing Lebron, hence why you see some Lebron characteristics in Luka.

He's got career totals of 40k 10k 10k,
And in his prime he was a locked down defender (not so much anymore).

I think it would be just hateful to not include him.
But I mean you are entitled to your own opinion, so I can respect that.

I appreciate your insight, but Lebron has been a more dominant player when he scores. Let's compare him to Doncic: how many times has Lebron been the primary facilitator? 2018 - 2020. He was Magic during those years. For the rest of his career, he was scoring more than facilitating, while Doncic was a facilitator his entire career.

I appreciate your insight, but I can't be on board. The facts don't support that.

[dhsilv2]

The same people in the GOAT discussion are the best all around guys. You gotta get into the 30's or so before you get into people who were truly one skill guys...or maybe Moses.

[Ol Roy]

This poll lists of lot of guys who are not all-around players and omits most of the people who are.

Odd.

[bledredwine]

Jordan

This, if you consider offensive and defensive skills and understand the context of position and
how it impacts stats.



......but from this poll and particular group of players, it's Larry Bird.

[Devin 1L]

You dared to not include LeBron at all?

By all around, I mean triple double threat: a guy who does a bit of everything. Lebron has been more of a prolific scorer than an all around player; it's hard to classify, but I just don't see him as an all around player like Kidd, Magic, Doncic, etc.

I'm open to a debate on this subject matter because I admit I could be wrong.

Then why not just make a list of the All-Time Triple Double leaders, or most Triple Doubles in a season, and call it a day?

This feels like a stealth LeBron trolling thread. I'm not even a LeBron fan -- just clicked it to see how much he was in the lead only to find he didn't even make the ballot, lol.

Even just by your 'Triple Double threat' standard, LeBron is 5th all time...

And to the other stuff or "a bit of everything," all time ranking:

AST - 4th
STL - 8th
REB - 31st
BLK - 82nd

You're reasoning implies his scoring somehow takes away from his all around-ness. Out of the other major 4 categories, he's top 31 in 3/4. That alone would suggest to me a somewhat all around player; being the #1 all time leading scorer on top of that supports being an 'all around player,' not taking away from.

[MavsDirk41]

Jordan

This, if you consider offensive and defensive skills and understand the context of position and
how it impacts stats.



......but from this poll and particular group of players, it's Larry Bird.

Easily Bird