2024 Olympic BASKETBALL Thread (Pt.3)

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Re: 2024 Olympic BASKETBALL Thread (Pt.3) 

Post#921 » by Sofia » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:35 pm

G R E Y wrote:Wow good for Greece but surprised about Aussies letting this one slip away. They're one of the teams slotted for medal contention..

Agree with UCan about implications now. Not sure what happens...

Wasn’t feeling confident in an Aussie medal tbh, feels like they’re between good teams at the moment.

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Re: 2024 Olympic BASKETBALL Thread (Pt.3) 

Post#922 » by FollowTheSound » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:35 pm

The Moose wrote:so simplified

Path to 2nd place in the pool:

Aus: Canada beats Spain

Spain: beat Canada

Greece: no path to 2nd place


2nd place doesn't matter, as 2 3rd place teams will also move on
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Post#923 » by CharityStripe34 » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:36 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:man, it really felt that Greece had 7.5 players and half of them are in that hair loss age
proud of them for fighting till the end


Calathes had brain loss as well. Walkup finally had a solid game. That third quarter was brutal. Gianni barely touched the ball.

Now have to hope Canada blows out Spain? All the point differential stuff is confusing.
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Re: 2024 Olympic BASKETBALL Thread (Pt.3) 

Post#924 » by G R E Y » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:36 pm

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G R E Y wrote:Wow good for Greece but surprised about Aussies letting this one slip away. They're one of the teams slotted for medal contention..

Agree with UCan about implications now. Not sure what happens...


Nahhhh, Australia was never gonna medal. Canada, Germany, Serbia and USA are the top dogs of the tournament.

Hmm maybe I'm riding the fumes of the previous Olympic high still. I thought they were solid but you're right that other teams have gotten stronger, too.

But in a one-game elimination scenario, you still never know... Aussies have the talent and cohesion to catch a team. Just that they got caught today so... We'll see.
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Re: 2024 Olympic BASKETBALL Thread (Pt.3) 

Post#925 » by FollowTheSound » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:36 pm

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Pachinko_ wrote:man, it really felt that Greece had 7.5 players and half of them are in that hair loss age
proud of them for fighting till the end


Calathes had brain loss as well. Walkup finally had a solid game. That third quarter was brutal. Gianni barely touched the ball.

Now have to hope Canada blows out Spain? All the point differential stuff is confusing.


They just need to beat spain and serbia beats south sudan.
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Post#926 » by dockingsched » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:38 pm

This almost seemed like two teams doing all they could to lose the game.
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Post#927 » by Pachinko_ » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:39 pm

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Pachinko_ wrote:man, it really felt that Greece had 7.5 players and half of them are in that hair loss age
proud of them for fighting till the end


Calathes had brain loss as well. Walkup finally had a solid game. That third quarter was brutal. Gianni barely touched the ball.

Now have to hope Canada blows out Spain? All the point differential stuff is confusing.

Ιt's a long honoured tradition among FIBA fans to pretend to understand how the point differential works when in reality nobody knows

FIBA officials probably deciding what it all means as we speak LOL
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Post#928 » by Mirotic12 » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:40 pm

Just to set the record straight here, since as usual, just stating facts in these discussions gets you labeled [paraphrasing] "a troll", "a Euro homer", "an NBA hater", "nuts", "crazy", etc.

Giannis did in fact have a horrendous game on defense against Spain, and it was so bad that Basket News felt they needed to write an article about it, after they did their post game video breakdown analysis.

https://basketnews.com/news-209893-unexpected-greece-problem-with-giannis-and-could-spanoulis-have-done-better.html

When we talk about Giannis, we usually value him as an amazing player on both sides of the court. We often consider him the best player in the world at the moment simply because he is a much better defender than Nikola Jokic or Luka Doncic, making up for his offensive flaws.

But that was not the case against Spain. I know it sounds weird, but the Greek Freak really gave a sub-par performance.

It all started with him allowing Santi Aldama multiple baskets in the 1st quarter on pick-and-roll kick-out pass situations. Antetokounmpo was either too slow to close out, allowing the Spanish forward to make a couple of threes, or too slow, with Aldama going around and creating an advantage.

To me, that was already the first sign something wasn't right.

Later in the second quarter, Greece used a lot of switch-all defense. The best way to counter it is by slipping screens. Spain went straight to those, and I was stunned to see that Giannis was the one making mistakes.

After one possession, which ended in Giannis miscommunicating with Calathes and Rudy Fernandez making a three, the Greek point guard grimaced toward Antetokounmpo. I believe even Calathes was shocked at such an error from an elite defender.

Later, there was another situation in switch defensive coverage, which saw Alex Abrines sealing Giannis under the rim for two points.


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Post#929 » by CharityStripe34 » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:41 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
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Pachinko_ wrote:man, it really felt that Greece had 7.5 players and half of them are in that hair loss age
proud of them for fighting till the end


Calathes had brain loss as well. Walkup finally had a solid game. That third quarter was brutal. Gianni barely touched the ball.

Now have to hope Canada blows out Spain? All the point differential stuff is confusing.

Ιt's a long honoured tradition among FIBA fans to pretend to understand how the point differential works when in reality nobody knows

FIBA officials probably deciding what it all means as we speak LOL


Eh we have to depend on Canada and our Serb brothers beating their opponents by 3+. Knowing our luck the Serbians will help us out but the Canadians will purposely lose it or lay an egg.
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Post#930 » by yannisk » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:44 pm

Greece is third on their group no matter what. The question is if they will be one of the best thirds and the match Serbia-South Sudan will determine that. Greece needs Serbia winning be 3 plus to have better point differential than S.Sudan
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Post#931 » by Pachinko_ » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:46 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:
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CharityStripe34 wrote:
Calathes had brain loss as well. Walkup finally had a solid game. That third quarter was brutal. Gianni barely touched the ball.

Now have to hope Canada blows out Spain? All the point differential stuff is confusing.

Ιt's a long honoured tradition among FIBA fans to pretend to understand how the point differential works when in reality nobody knows

FIBA officials probably deciding what it all means as we speak LOL


Eh we have to depend on Canada and our Serb brothers beating their opponents by 3+. Knowing our luck the Serbians will help us out but the Canadians will purposely lose it or lay an egg.

I'm not entirely certain I want to watch that team play another game TBH it's kinda painful LOL
They started walking the ball up from early in the 3rd and it really felt like it was because they didn't have the legs for anything else.
Meanwhile Australia looked like they could play another game if you asked them to.
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Post#932 » by zike_42 » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:49 pm

For Australia it's simple. Canada win = in. Spain win = out.
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Post#933 » by G R E Y » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:53 pm

Sofia wrote:
G R E Y wrote:Wow good for Greece but surprised about Aussies letting this one slip away. They're one of the teams slotted for medal contention..

Agree with UCan about implications now. Not sure what happens...

Wasn’t feeling confident in an Aussie medal tbh, feels like they’re between good teams at the moment.

A few more promising future NBA guys in the pipeline like Dash Daniels (2026 draft), Johnny Furphy (Pacers, 2024 35th pick), Rocko Zikarsy, Alex Toohey, and I’ll get in early here - Roman Siulepa.

Feels like Aussies are on the cusp of a transitional period between the old guard ie/Patty and other vets and the new crop coming up. It's the case for several teams, like Argentina and Spain.
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Post#934 » by Mirotic12 » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:55 pm

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Demagoog wrote:In 4 years Wembanyama might be the best player on the planet. If Risacher and Sarr can develop into nice complementary pieces and they get a half decent PG, they might pose a threat. I believe the projected #2 pick behind Cooper Flagg is a French point guard, maybe that'll be the answer. But right now, this team isn't frightening anybody.


They have the potential #1 of next year (yes potentially above Flagg) in Nolan Traore. And he is a PG. He'd probably be their best PG already but coaches have to reward the vets I guess thats why he isnt on the roster.

Look at what he's doing at 17 years old against a Euroleague team


He had completely dominated the best US prospects at the Nike Hoop Summit game too.


EDIT: Oh damn I answered after only reading your first sentence. Didnt see that you mentioned him yourself lol


Traore didn't look that good at the Under-18 EuroBasket. There is no way that he could have made this French roster, and no way he could have helped them in this tournament. Even as bad as some of France's guards on the team are, all of them would have totally destroyed an Under-18 tournament.

Even dominant players at an under-18 tournament would likely have little chance of doing anything at the Olympics, but a player that wasn't all that impressive at the Under-18 level, would most certainly have no chance.
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Post#935 » by G R E Y » Fri Aug 2, 2024 1:57 pm

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Post#936 » by brutalitops » Fri Aug 2, 2024 2:02 pm

Maaan. I don't even get it, I've been to Athens . It's full of wild dogs, they don't even have money to bribe the refs but they still officiated the game like they just got a new holiday house
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Post#937 » by TheNG » Fri Aug 2, 2024 2:02 pm

Spain is the underdog against Canada, but because of the odds it's a good game to bet on Spain.
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Post#938 » by Sofia » Fri Aug 2, 2024 2:03 pm

G R E Y wrote:
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G R E Y wrote:Wow good for Greece but surprised about Aussies letting this one slip away. They're one of the teams slotted for medal contention..

Agree with UCan about implications now. Not sure what happens...

Wasn’t feeling confident in an Aussie medal tbh, feels like they’re between good teams at the moment.

A few more promising future NBA guys in the pipeline like Dash Daniels (2026 draft), Johnny Furphy (Pacers, 2024 35th pick), Rocko Zikarsy, Alex Toohey, and I’ll get in early here - Roman Siulepa.

Feels like Aussies are on the cusp of a transitional period between the old guard ie/Patty and other vets and the new crop coming up. It's the case for several teams, like Argentina and Spain.


If Australia was an NBA team, they would be prime to make package trades. Plenty of good to really good FIBA guys, but missing that guy to take it to the next level. Patty filled the role brilliantly over his international career, but it just felt like they needed another star to be true perennial medal threats. Hopefully Giddey’s development keeps going strong with more usage in Chicago
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Post#939 » by azcatz11 » Fri Aug 2, 2024 2:07 pm

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Post#940 » by Mirotic12 » Fri Aug 2, 2024 2:09 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:Watching the Sudan USA game, man I wish the NBA refs were like this. They don't fall for the foul baiting garbage.

I think both sides of the Atlantic, American and European basketbal, have a lot to learn from each other. But they don't LOL

Americans only really care about the NBA, as they should, because the NBA is ridiculously succesful, popular and profitable.
And Europeans have created their own little fortress Europa where the coaches are kings, all the top talent leaks to the NBA, basketball organisations make losses, and nothing ever changes. It's basically two isolated worlds that cross over a little bit every 4 years in the Olympics and then forget what they saw almost immediately.

Americans are not gonna change anything as long as the NBA is as tremendously successful as it is currently.
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French League
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They all have salary caps now and teams can't spend more than they make. If they do, then they have to pay a huge luxury tax, which goes to the other teams.

So actually, that's pretty much becoming a thing of the past.

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