What/Who does Portland need?

[louc1970]

Not being a big fan of Portland (love the city), what does the team need to begin the road to decency? And who should be moved to make it happen?

Assuming from the constant rumors Henderson, Sharpe, Avdija, Clingan are off limits unless some crazy offer came in. I do not like Sharpe and would prefer to move him, but the team likes him.

So the trade candidates are Simons, Grant, Williams, Ayton, and Thybulle. What can you do with those players?

[giberish]

From the outside I'd just say they need long-term upside. Mostly future picks (particularly quality picks). Young enough prospects (especially at forward) also help.

[JRoy]

1-New owner. Phil Nike would be great.

2-new coach. Billups is awful. Awful. Cut bait and get an x and o coach to teach this team how to play winning basketball.

3-New vets. Ayton, Simons, Grant; none of them have leadership qualities.

4-A real star worthy of having a team built around him. Not on the roster yet.

5-lots of minutes for the young guys.

[Norm2953]

What Portland really needs is for Scoot Henderson and Shaedon Sharpe to take a big step up this
coming season. Portland if they make no trades, should be better up front, especially if TL is
able to play this season for they have Grant, Deni, Camara, Ayton, TL and Clingan

If they don't take a big step forward, its likely Portland would draft their replacement in the 2025
draft.

[BlazersBroncos]

They need to move Simons and Grant.

Jerami Grant + Duop Reath to LAL for Rui Hachimura + Gabe Vincent + Wood OR Hayes OR Reddish (CUT) + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + higher of LAC/LAL 2025 SRP
Anfernee Simons to LAC for Norman Powell + 2030 FRP LP
Kris Murray to SAC for TPE + Right to swap LAL or LAC SRP for PDX SRP in 2025

G - Scoot Henderson (30) / Gabe Vincent (18) / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe (30) / Norman Powell (18) / Dalano Banton
F - Deni Avdija (30) / Matisse Thybulle (18) / Rayan Rupert
F - Rui Hachimura (24) / Toumari Camara (24) / Jabari Walker JR
C - DeAndre Ayton (26) / Robert Williams III (22) / Donovan Clingan

Then try to move RWIII at the deadline if healthy / playing well and elevate Donovan to C2.

[Billl]

In short - a star. Unless they get extremely lucky somehow, they need to move some vets, bottom out, and take a couple swings with top5 picks.

[Walton1one]

As stated above, they need picks and\or young talent. But more than that, they need their Alpha, whether that is a young player currently on the roster who ascends to that level or via the draft (or trade), that is THE most critical piece they are still missing. Until POR has that player, they will remain on the rebuilding treadmill.

Grant does not fit the timeline and should be dealt
Simons does not fit with Scoot, nor will he likely accept a bench role behind Scoot\Sharpe
Thybulle has value to a veteran\playoff team, but skills are wasted on a rebuilding one
Williams, if healthy, could be a real difference maker to a playoff team, but again, wasted here
Ayton is not worth the contract he is on, but likely here for another year as POR ramps up Clingan.

All of these players work against POR youth movement, they take minutes away & win games that POR should not necessarily be interested in (especially in 2025), so any\all should be dealt sooner rather than later.

[jayjaysee]

They need better lottery luck next year and any of their kids they do have to work out…

Scoot has a long way to go versus his potential, but it’s still there.. Sharpe was less hyped obviously, but showed a lot early on so you hope he takes another big step.. Camara looks like he probably can develop into the low usage forward most teams want.. Clingan’s game should translate well..

Means the team really should move Ayton, Grant and Simons IMHO. Force feed the youth minutes. Ideally, Scoot/Sharpe develop and you land one of those hyped prospects next year and you feel like you have your core for next decade..

I know they can’t/won’t move all three vet.. But they should.. Even if they have to settle a bit on idealistic values..

[OutsidetheNBA]

Grant is the only veteran I really *want* to see traded. I think he's currently positive value on his contract, but at his age one injury could turn him into Zach Lavine levels of unmovable. Just give us a not-bad 1st and some not-terrible money and I'm good.

I like Simons's shooting and handling enough to keep him around if a team doesn't make a good offer. You can easily get 32mpg each for Scoot, Sharpe, and Simons and Simons will space the floor for the other guys. Blazers can move him this summer if his value really is just Norm Powell and LP 1st (as proposed above). For Simons I want a good 1st -- say Top 5 protected for one year, or multiple Top 10 protected years, etc.

I say keep Ayton another season or at least until we know whether RW3 can stay healthy. Sure, we have Clingan, but no rookie center should be playing 36mpg and Duop Reath -- a good dude who plays hard -- is at best a solid 3rd center. Without some kind of defensive anchor, I find the team unwatchable. And as a fan, I want watchability even if the team loses a bunch of games.

Play RW3 enough minutes to see if we can raise his value. Take the first good offer you get. No point in trading him at his lowest value.

The return we need is high-upside picks. I see Scoot, Sharpe, Clingan, and Camara as potential good starters (and maybe more for Scoot and Sharpe). We need our superstar.

[Tim Lehrbach]

The Blazers need the best available rebuilding pieces they can get: youngsters with star potential. Since nobody trades away young players who have already demonstrated their studliness in the NBA, that means draft picks. Unfortunately I think the Blazers will not get any valuable draft capital for their veterans, so unless Sharpe, Scoot, or next year's pick makes an unlikely leap into quick stardom, we're in for a long-ass rebuild.

[nzahir]

They need to move Simons and Grant.

Jerami Grant + Duop Reath to LAL for Rui Hachimura + Gabe Vincent + Wood OR Hayes OR Reddish (CUT) + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + higher of LAC/LAL 2025 SRP
Anfernee Simons to LAC for Norman Powell + 2030 FRP LP
Kris Murray to SAC for TPE + Right to swap LAL or LAC SRP for PDX SRP in 2025

G - Scoot Henderson (30) / Gabe Vincent (18) / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe (30) / Norman Powell (18) / Dalano Banton
F - Deni Avdija (30) / Matisse Thybulle (18) / Rayan Rupert
F - Rui Hachimura (24) / Toumari Camara (24) / Jabari Walker JR
C - DeAndre Ayton (26) / Robert Williams III (22) / Donovan Clingan

Then try to move RWIII at the deadline if healthy / playing well and elevate Donovan to C2.

Now convince other blazer fans or the GM about this and we got a deal

We moved 3 2nds for Rui, he has value. He is a young forward with size that can shoot. Not super high volume, but shot it very efficiently

Grant is older, a very poor rebounder, and has a horrible contract

He is a better player than Rui, at least I believe so, but probably by about a 1st at best. I think he should be a better fit though

Rui then cost a few 2nds, so that and the additional 2nd equal 4 2nds. That is close enough to taking on Vincent and giving up Reath.

I wouldn't mind adding another 2nd if needed

[zimpy27]

1-New owner. Phil Nike would be great.

2-new coach. Billups is awful. Awful. Cut bait and get an x and o coach to teach this team how to play winning basketball.

3-New vets. Ayton, Simons, Grant; none of them have leadership qualities.

4-A real star worthy of having a team built around him. Not on the roster yet.

5-lots of minutes for the young guys.

So trading vets for worse players and picks essentially.

[One_and_Done]

Patience. They're not going to get the huge talent infusion they need overnight.

[Colbinii]

1) Avenues to acquire talent

-Draft Picks (Current and Future)
-Prospects who have talent

2) Clear Cap Sheets protections into the future

-Provides Flexibility
-Supports #1

3) Foundation to assess talent

-Players who are proven NBA Quality who fill a role

We have seen Detroit really struggle over the past 2-3 seasons to accurately assess their young talent with the chaos around the roster, lack of a realistic construction of roster and instability...

4) Stability from the GM to the Coach

Look at all the Blazers fans calling for new Ownership (rightfully so) and new GM/Coach. How do we know how good of a coach Billups is? We don't.

[OxAndFox]

They need to get whatever they can picks/young talent wise for Grant/Ayton/Simons. If they can get a Taylor Hendricks/Jarace Walker/Mathurin/Cam Whitmore/Tari Eason they should do it.
You can keep Thybulle and RW3 around seeing as they won't take shots away from the young guys and in the latter's case, probably won't be on the floor. Wait for him to be expiring and get what you can.

Scoot/Sharpe/Deni/?/Clingan should be featured as much as possible and if you can add one of the young PFs then you have a decent nucleus that has time to develop all the while keeping enough ping pong balls for a future stud.

[OxAndFox]

They need to move Simons and Grant.

Jerami Grant + Duop Reath to LAL for Rui Hachimura + Gabe Vincent + Wood OR Hayes OR Reddish (CUT) + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + higher of LAC/LAL 2025 SRP
Anfernee Simons to LAC for Norman Powell + 2030 FRP LP
Kris Murray to SAC for TPE + Right to swap LAL or LAC SRP for PDX SRP in 2025

G - Scoot Henderson (30) / Gabe Vincent (18) / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe (30) / Norman Powell (18) / Dalano Banton
F - Deni Avdija (30) / Matisse Thybulle (18) / Rayan Rupert
F - Rui Hachimura (24) / Toumari Camara (24) / Jabari Walker JR
C - DeAndre Ayton (26) / Robert Williams III (22) / Donovan Clingan

Then try to move RWIII at the deadline if healthy / playing well and elevate Donovan to C2.

I would do it for a Kings SRP in 25. We don't have the PDX SRP any more. Toronto has it.

[Snakebites]

Same thing the rest of us bottom feeders need. Better young talent.

[Myth]

They need to move Simons and Grant.

Jerami Grant + Duop Reath to LAL for Rui Hachimura + Gabe Vincent + Wood OR Hayes OR Reddish (CUT) + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + higher of LAC/LAL 2025 SRP
Anfernee Simons to LAC for Norman Powell + 2030 FRP LP
Kris Murray to SAC for TPE + Right to swap LAL or LAC SRP for PDX SRP in 2025

G - Scoot Henderson (30) / Gabe Vincent (18) / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe (30) / Norman Powell (18) / Dalano Banton
F - Deni Avdija (30) / Matisse Thybulle (18) / Rayan Rupert
F - Rui Hachimura (24) / Toumari Camara (24) / Jabari Walker JR
C - DeAndre Ayton (26) / Robert Williams III (22) / Donovan Clingan

Then try to move RWIII at the deadline if healthy / playing well and elevate Donovan to C2.

Now convince other blazer fans or the GM about this and we got a deal

Most Blazers fans are good with the foundation of Rui+1st for Grant. The rest is filler and minor details. But yes, the GMs are the people who need convinced.

[nzahir]

They need to move Simons and Grant.

Jerami Grant + Duop Reath to LAL for Rui Hachimura + Gabe Vincent + Wood OR Hayes OR Reddish (CUT) + 2029 FRP (Top-4) + higher of LAC/LAL 2025 SRP
Anfernee Simons to LAC for Norman Powell + 2030 FRP LP
Kris Murray to SAC for TPE + Right to swap LAL or LAC SRP for PDX SRP in 2025

G - Scoot Henderson (30) / Gabe Vincent (18) / Dalano Banton
G - Shadeon Sharpe (30) / Norman Powell (18) / Dalano Banton
F - Deni Avdija (30) / Matisse Thybulle (18) / Rayan Rupert
F - Rui Hachimura (24) / Toumari Camara (24) / Jabari Walker JR
C - DeAndre Ayton (26) / Robert Williams III (22) / Donovan Clingan

Then try to move RWIII at the deadline if healthy / playing well and elevate Donovan to C2.

Now convince other blazer fans or the GM about this and we got a deal

Most Blazers fans are good with the foundation of Rui+1st for Grant. The rest is filler and minor details. But yes, the GMs are the people who need convinced.

Whats funny is the more I dive into Grant I wonder if this is even the right move. We probably have legit 1 more "big move" to make. And then need to add a backup C

The contract is the scary part. Will cost Rui, Vincent, and Hayes. Now we have 13 guys and still cant sign anyone without going into the 2nd appron I think. But can still look to move JHS and or Lewis seperately

He is a horrific rebounder

His defense is better for slower, big wings. But that is what Lebron is for....

He is a solid help defender though, and while Lebron can be when locked in, he is also getting lazy at times (as expected with age)

He is a higher volume shooter though from 3 and I doubt Rui shoots this well again.

Was this possibly a weird year fro Grant b/c the team was so bad and he checked out or?

Cam Johnson may be the right target and is easier on contracts

If GMs cant be convinced, its probably best to just get a backup C for now and then revist this in Dec-deadline

[zimpy27]

Now convince other blazer fans or the GM about this and we got a deal

Most Blazers fans are good with the foundation of Rui+1st for Grant. The rest is filler and minor details. But yes, the GMs are the people who need convinced.

Whats funny is the more I dive into Grant I wonder if this is even the right move. We probably have legit 1 more "big move" to make. And then need to add a backup C

The contract is the scary part. Will cost Rui, Vincent, and Hayes. Now we have 13 guys and still cant sign anyone without going into the 2nd appron I think. But can still look to move JHS and or Lewis seperately

He is a horrific rebounder

His defense is better for slower, big wings. But that is what Lebron is for....

He is a solid help defender though, and while Lebron can be when locked in, he is also getting lazy at times (as expected with age)

He is a higher volume shooter though from 3 and I doubt Rui shoots this well again.

Was this possibly a weird year fro Grant b/c the team was so bad and he checked out or?

Cam Johnson may be the right target and is easier on contracts

If GMs cant be convinced, its probably best to just get a backup C for now and then revist this in Dec-deadline

CamJ is absolutely the right target.