2024 Olympic BASKETBALL Thread (Pt.3)

[homecourtloss]

Just to set the record straight here, since as usual, just stating facts in these discussions gets you labeled [paraphrasing] "a troll", "a Euro homer", "an NBA hater", "nuts", "crazy", etc.

Giannis did in fact have a horrendous game on defense against Spain, and it was so bad that Basket News felt they needed to write an article about it, after they did their post game video breakdown analysis.

Again, for posting mere objective analysis and facts here, you will get labeled as a troll, a nut job, a hater, a Euro lover, etc. It's just ridiculous and absurd that such a great and huge basketball forum like this one, has such attack posts against objective game analysis.

You made post after post about Giannis’s bad defense and about Walkup being the worst player in the tournament but haven’t made a post today about Giannis being the best player on the court and Walkup being Greece’s 2nd best player by a mile without whom it would have lost.

Weird.

What's weird is Giannis not playing defense on a single possession in an entire game, and if someone pointed that out, they got attacked and incorrectly accused of being all sorts of bad things. That happening on such a serious basketball forum is extremely weird.

Giannis not playing defense on a single possession as such an exaggeration. What about all of your Thomas Walkup comments? Looks like you chose to ignore that part of the comment.

[Pachinko_]

Maaan. I don't even get it, I've been to Athens . It's full of wild dogs, they don't even have money to bribe the refs but they still officiated the game like they just got a new holiday house

maybe you should let the refs shoot your free throws LOL

Giddy, Simmons, Daniels, Exum

Our heritage is big athletic PG"s who can do it all but not under any pressure or shoot the ball well, I would ask you to respect that and let me blame everyone else

In my unsolicited opinion Australia does some things in basketball very well. They have that basketball hub in Canberra that churns out top level talent consistently, they have athletes because they follow the American basketball system like Goorj said, they have a somewhat viable league that aims to be a farm for the NBA (somewhat succesfully), and all their players show up every summer to play for the NT and they actually put the team first which is great to see. All that is better than most countries TBH. But there is a ceiling, it's just not a very popular sport, talented kids in Australia have many sports to choose from and basketbally is failry low on the list.

If the goal is medals in international competitions, I'd keep everything as is but I'd get a Euro type coach for the mens national team. Keep the American system for producing talent, bring the Euro system for the in game tactics and the teamwork. Goorjian's American MO is star based, Australia doesn't really have a star for that level, they need the teamwork to reach the next level more consistently. Look at Spain man, doesn't matter how much talent they lose, they just refuse to die. Look at Canada with their Spanish coach.

[Ballerhogger]

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[zike_42]

maybe you should let the refs shoot your free throws LOL

Giddy, Simmons, Daniels, Exum

Our heritage is big athletic PG"s who can do it all but not under any pressure or shoot the ball well, I would ask you to respect that and let me blame everyone else

In my unsolicited opinion Australia does some things in basketball very well. They have that basketball hub in Canberra that churns out top level talent consistently, they have athletes because they follow the American basketball system like Goorj said, they have a somewhat viable league that aims to be a farm for the NBA (somewhat succesfully), and all their players show up every summer to play for the NT and they actually put the team first which is great to see. All that is better than most countries TBH. But there is a ceiling, it's just not a very popular sport, talented kids in Australia have many sports to choose from and basketbally is failry low on the list.

If the goal is medals in international competitions, I'd keep everything as is but I'd get a Euro type coach for the mens national team. Keep the American system for producing talent, bring the Euro system for the in game tactics and the teamwork. Goorjian's American MO is star based, Australia doesn't really have a star for that level, they need the teamwork to reach the next level more consistently. Look at Spain man, doesn't matter how much talent they lose, they just refuse to die. Look at Canada with their Spanish coach.

The good news is that basketball is coming back in a big way in Australia. It's now second behind only soccer in junior participation in all sports and age groups (girls play more netball but male+female b-ball is 2nd).

https://www.clearinghouseforsport.gov.au/research/ausplay/results/participation-report/children-aged-0-14

[Wargreymon]

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I feel bad for Jokic. He may never win another chip because of Murray’s steep decline and injuries

[Jasen777]

Man these standings with point differential is making my pea sized brain hurt...I thought Greece was eliminated but somehow they are in after going 1-2?

Turns out the tiebreaker for group standings isn't point difference, but rather point difference in games between the tied teams.

[durden_tyler]

Man these standings with point differential is making my pea sized brain hurt...I thought Greece was eliminated but somehow they are in after going 1-2?

Turns out the tiebreaker for group standings isn't point difference, but rather point difference in games between the tied teams.

Has always been that way in FIBA/international games.

Even the head to head is a virtual points difference (only because it's vs the other, so win over the other exactly means the same thing). It makes sense in that only the teams involved in ties are considered and not the entire thing or else it's undue advantage for some teams facing a patsy in the same round.

The non "teams involved" point differential is still great as seen from the Group A (Greece) and Group C (South Sudan or Serbia) and Group B (Brazil) when they finish with identical 1-2 records.

[RB34]

Not sure how accurate this is.

LeBron being 1st and Giannis being 10th is absolutely ludicrous. Joker putting up stat lines never seen before in FIBA while LeBron has 6 TOs playing with the dream team reincarnate.

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[Jasen777]

Even the head to head is a virtual points difference (only because it's vs the other, so win over the other exactly means the same thing). It makes sense in that only the teams involved in ties are considered and not the entire thing or else it's undue advantage for some teams facing a patsy in the same round.

I agree it makes sense. It avoids the placement being determined by which games a dominant team decided to take seriously (though Canada might not qualify it's a good principle). Or conversely if it was a a three team tie at 2-1, then it's not decided by who ran up the score the most on an outmatched 0-3 team.

[Jasen777]

Not sure how accurate this is.

LeBron being 1st and Giannis being 10th is absolutely ludicrous. Joker putting up stat lines never seen before in FIBA while LeBron has 6 TOs playing with the dream team reincarnate.

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Best player on best team theory?

[RB34]

Not sure how accurate this is.

LeBron being 1st and Giannis being 10th is absolutely ludicrous. Joker putting up stat lines never seen before in FIBA while LeBron has 6 TOs playing with the dream team reincarnate.

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Best player on best team theory?

That could be the case but it’s hard to support that when the team is so stacked.

When KD played for the Warriors, him and Curry were pretty much written off from winning the MVP.

[UcanUwill]

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Sga really carrying Canada isn’t he ?

Check RJ Barrett and DIllion Brooks stats if you think SGA is on his own. Barrett has been their best player arguably.

[dirkules_41]

If you were Tristan and you see your bro Oscar wasting away in the bench, you think he would apply to play in the Brazil team rather?

Also.. DS advantage is that he is a speedster... im not sure mid-30s Dennis will have the same speed... who knows.

No because Tristan is already better than his bro, he would probably start for them in a few years.

We will see. I cant say for sure because :

1. I havent seen Oscar play outside the friendies
2. I havent seen Tristan play in the NBA

Also... TDS starting? That would be the PF right? Cuz in our Magic roster he is backing up/3rd string the 3spot for us.

Not really answering your question but more re the German roster:
Hartenstein is also German but wanted to focus on Playoffs/FA and not disturb the teams chemistry this time around, he's still pretty young as well. Technically Maxi is also there but it appears him and Dennis won't be part of the same roster in the foreseeable future.

[dirkules_41]

Welp... FRA best 3 3pt shooter is their tallest player

If I were the opposing coach, I would love to see Wemby playing outside of 3pt line most of the game - even though he makes 40% of them. That's how you transform a generational talent into rich man's Channing Frye on offense.

That and being physically weak are clearly Wembys biggest weaknesses so far - let's hope he doesn't fix them
He just seems lazy and prefer to hang out outside the 3pt line if you throw physical defense at him (like Germany yesterday with Theis, Moe, Voigtmann or like what I've seen from my Mavs with Lively and Gaff). How you don't have your 7 foot 11 guy operate near the basket is beyond me.

[RookieStar]

No because Tristan is already better than his bro, he would probably start for them in a few years.

We will see. I cant say for sure because :

1. I havent seen Oscar play outside the friendies
2. I havent seen Tristan play in the NBA

Also... TDS starting? That would be the PF right? Cuz in our Magic roster he is backing up/3rd string the 3spot for us.

Not really answering your question but more re the German roster:
Hartenstein is also German but wanted to focus on Playoffs/FA and not disturb the teams chemistry this time around, he's still pretty young as well. Technically Maxi is also there but it appears him and Dennis won't be part of the same roster in the foreseeable future.

Yeah IHart is the answer to what i think is what GER is lacking. A big switchable shotblocking C that defends. I mean Voigtman looks to be a stiff, Theis is shorter/smaller than Franz and Moe doesnt even know what defense means.

[HumbleRen]

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Respect RJ and Dillon The Villain

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[HumbleRen]

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I feel bad for Jokic. He may never win another chip because of Murray’s steep decline and injuries

Letting KCP and BB walk for free doesn’t help either.

[DrPampiloni]

Scary thing is that France and Germany will be even better in the next years

I dunno.. GER has the player that is emerging as a superstar BUT hate/love him, Dennis is the engine for their team. If he drops/retires/injure himself, GER has no up-and-coming guard that can take over.

FRA though has all the untapped potential in the world. Will it blossom? I mean, I was one of those foolish enough to think that Frank NTkili-something was gonna be good.

Yeah, I don’t know about Germany being better. By 2028, Schroder will be nearly 35, as will their starting center Voigtmann. Theis will be 36. These are all key players for them. Moe will be 31 by then. Players seem to be aging gracefully nowadays, but you never know when a guy is nearly 7’.

Franz getting better doesn’t negate all of the above.

Isaiah Hartenstein is going to be massive in the next four years. He is basically a much better Voigtmann as a player type. Also Ariel Hukporti was drafted by the Knicks this year and I think he has a bright future at the center spot. Johann Grünloh is going to be really good too. He started all season for a German league playoff team and produced solid stats, while being a defensive anchor. Still just 19. Finally, Eric Reibe (Top 25 ranked player of 2025 class, and 2nd at center https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/256243/eric-reibe) is going to be a very nice player, too.
The center position is going to be stacked after Voigtmann and Theis retire.

Speaking of guards and wings, Tristan da Silva is a no-brainer from next summer. Plus, the under 18 German team has reached the semifinal of the European championship for the second year in a row with pretty much the same core of stacked talent: Christian Anderson (Texas tech commit), Declan Duru (who plays for Real Madrid's academy), Ivan Kharchenkov (who already got Euroleague minutes at 16 years of age with Bayern Munich) and Jack Kayil are all very good guards/wings.

All in all, I agree that finding a new Dennis will be an issue because of his speed and ball handling but I think he will still be good in 4 years at 34. And he already said he wants to keep playing for the national team as long as possible.

[MrPainfulTruth]

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I feel bad for Jokic. He may never win another chip because of Murray’s steep decline and injuries

Murray has that Russ / Klay vibe to him, in that he declines to the guy who washes Robins underwear but in his head still is Batman

[AleksandarN]

Both of them clearly not healthy enough. I am surprised they risk their health further by playing.