BI for JERAMI

[BBallFreak]

This is just awkward imo.

Grant doesn't have the value to return Ingram as I see Grant as slightly positive to neutral value, but Portland shouldn't pursue Ingram as he's not a needle mover and the actual value this need to add wouldn't make sense.

I would think both teams should pass.

Portland says yes on value alone imo . Can always trade him. Ingram younger than grant. Not like grant a better fit for them long team.

I didn't think you're getting what I'm saying - Portland will have to give more value to turn Grant into Ingram and they shouldn't.

[Billl]

Ingram is a better, younger player but has injury issues and wants to get paid. I'd say ingram on a max contract would have about the same value as grant on his deal. However, I think all the same fit issues would be in play with Zion.

[BBallFreak]

Ingram is a better, younger player but has injury issues and wants to get paid. I'd say ingram on a max contract would have about the same value as grant on his deal. However, I think all the same fit issues would be in play with Zion.

Grant is no iron man, himself. Ingram is better and younger, as you said, but since both have durability issues I can't see Ingram's value tanking that much

[Billl]

Ingram is a better, younger player but has injury issues and wants to get paid. I'd say ingram on a max contract would have about the same value as grant on his deal. However, I think all the same fit issues would be in play with Zion.

Grant is no iron man, himself. Ingram is better and younger, as you said, but since both have durability issues I can't see Ingram's value tanking that much

It's not that he won't be skilled, but oft injured players on max contracts tend to have pretty low trade value vs their on court production. See Zach Lavine. If ingram was signed for the same money as grant, sure, no brainer. If it's grant at $32 vs ingram at $45? Given the new apron system? I think the value gets a lot closer.

[Walton1one]

Ingram wants a max deal, not sure what teams out there are willing to give that to him? NO does not appear to want to and he is a FA next year, so it would make sense that they would want to trade him for some value sooner rather than later, otherwise they risk losing him for nothing, can't let that happen.

What team is going to give a lot for a rental? POR sure as heck shouldn't.

The ONLY way POR should deal for him is part of 3-team deal (ie re-routing him somewhere else), where NO could get a player in return (Grant) that will allow them to stay playoff competitive. POR only interest would be as a facilitator and netting draft picks. Then again, maybe NO just deals him for picks themselves and banks on the addition of Murray and the continued growth of Murphy/Jones to stay playoff competitive.

What team out there would have interest in (A) obtaining him & (B) paying him the necessary amount to retain him.

[BBallFreak]

Ingram wants a max deal, not sure what teams out there are willing to give that to him? NO does not appear to want to and he is a FA next year, so it would make sense that they would want to trade him for some value sooner rather than later, otherwise they risk losing him for nothing, can't let that happen.

What team is going to give a lot for a rental? POR sure as heck shouldn't.

The ONLY way POR should deal for him is part of 3-team deal (ie re-routing him somewhere else), where NO could get a player in return (Grant) that will allow them to stay playoff competitive. POR only interest would be as a facilitator and netting draft picks. Then again, maybe NO just deals him for picks themselves and banks on the addition of Murray and the continued growth of Murphy/Jones to stay playoff competitive.

What team out there would have interest in (A) obtaining him & (B) paying him the necessary amount to retain him.

I'm sure their are teams who value him and, while I agree that he won't have a ton of value, I believe he'll have more than Grant. I see Grant the way I see Tyler Herro, value wise - a protected first and salary filler - maybe some of it expiring.

I think Ingram, to a team willing to extend him that he wants to extend with, should be able to net a couple of protected firsts and expiring deals - maybe even a mid prospect.

[Walton1one]

I agree on value, but what team is that though? LAL?

I also think that given their roster, they would prefer to net that value themselves, rather than parlay it into a player like Grant.

[BBallFreak]

I agree on value, but what team is that though? LAL?

I also think that given their roster, they would prefer to net that value themselves, rather than parlay it into a player like Grant.

LAL might not be the right team but one will pop up. They always do. I just don't see who's going to be all excited to make a deal for Grant when just a tad bit more gets you a superior player. Granted, with warts, not better...

[tacos]

A 5 year max for ingram would be what? 265 mil?

[the_process]

Jerami and a future protected 1st for Ingram makes a ton of sense for both teams.

Portland loses the Grant contract, gets the better player, yet is not in anyway tied to Ingram. They can see how it goes and if it works re-sign or else cut bait.

Pelicans add a better defender who can play with Zion, lose the obligation to pay Ingram, and get another small asset to use if a bigger name becomes available to them.

[JRoy]

Jerami and a future protected 1st for Ingram makes a ton of sense for both teams.

Portland loses the Grant contract, gets the better player, yet is not in anyway tied to Ingram. They can see how it goes and if it works re-sign or else cut bait.

Pelicans add a better defender who can play with Zion, lose the obligation to pay Ingram, and get another small asset to use if a bigger name becomes available to them.

Zero interest for POR.

Not sending a pick to move Grant for an expiring Ingram.

[BBallFreak]

Jerami and a future protected 1st for Ingram makes a ton of sense for both teams.

Portland loses the Grant contract, gets the better player, yet is not in anyway tied to Ingram. They can see how it goes and if it works re-sign or else cut bait.

Pelicans add a better defender who can play with Zion, lose the obligation to pay Ingram, and get another small asset to use if a bigger name becomes available to them.

Zero interest for POR.

Not sending a pick to move Grant for an expiring Ingram.

Agreed. In your shoes, I wouldn't do it for an extended Ingram. I just don't think he changes anything for you guys.

[Myth]

Blazers, Pistons, Nets, Hornets, Wizards, Bulls, Raptors, Spurs, maybe Jazz-- they won't risk giving up assets for the chance to miss out on Flagg, etc. and to overpay Ingram.

In a previous thread I said something similar. The timing is off. If we landed Flagg, then in a future year I’d be fine trading for Ingram, but at that time he will probably have a new contract that makes it difficult. But for now, it is too early in the rebuild to land a win now player like Ingram.

[zzaj]

The Blazers are in no rush to move Jerami--by all accounts (mostly his own) he wants to be in Portland, and he's a player that Scoot and Deni can pass to and make shots. He's obviously fine with taking DNPs as a tank captain. He'll likely get traded either at the deadline to a bubble+ team, or when Portland drafts his replacement...

I don't see this kind of value for an expiring BI, unless whomever he got traded to sees him as a long-term fit and are willing to give him the money he will want as a cornerstone player moving forward...and I just don't see a lot of those, if any.

[zzaj]

Ingram is a better, younger player but has injury issues and wants to get paid. I'd say ingram on a max contract would have about the same value as grant on his deal. However, I think all the same fit issues would be in play with Zion.

Grant is no iron man, himself. Ingram is better and younger, as you said, but since both have durability issues I can't see Ingram's value tanking that much

Grant hasn't missed that many games due to actual injury...but he has a loooooong history of injury DNPs due to tanking, going all the way back to DET.

[Napoleon7]

If these 2 teams are trading partners…If…I see the primary pieces more Ayton for Ingram.


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