Randle's Future

[spree8]

Spoiler:

It's excuses, old sport.

Excuses.

You can use tactics to attack me personally, but it doesn't change the truth....

This is the cold, hard truth:

Historically bad


Until Randle shows he can perform in the playoffs, he will have that skepticism among objective observes.

I’m not attacking you personally? I’m just saying you’re being emotional about it which is clear… when someone brings facts and numbers to the table and you run from them and revert back to talking points like “historically bad” and call those same facts “fluff” you’re showing you have an agenda… one that is rooted in emotion for whatever reason..

You said some variation of "you" 9 times in your last post I responded to. Yes, that's coming at me. So, clearly, I'm NOT the one being emotional here, old sport. Superfans of a player can get defensive....no prob.

Nevertheless, these are the facts: HISTORICALLY BAD.

We can make excuses and juggle numbers and "ifs" to fit any narrative we choose. Your points were simply not WORTH addressing. They're the same years worth of recycled excuses being repackaged.

Randle will have the chance to step it up this year and erase the playoff stink. We need him to. Of course if he does poorly, even on this loaded team, there will be yet more excuses.

Wait, because I used the words “you” and “you’re” when simply addressing things “you” attacked Randle for, that constitutes as an attack on you? I don’t think there was much thought put into this bullshyt because there’s no correlation between an attack and using the words “you/you’re” when referencing specific things that were mentioned. I mean, wtf kinda weird shyt is this?

You take up all this time and energy crying about this nonsense instead of responding in good faith to my points about the difference between making an additional 1 FG per game or 0.5 3’s per game being his season averages vs being historically bad. What a fuggin joke lol. Who goes to such great lengths to dodge facts?

And for the record, no I’m no super fan of Randle’s by any stretch. Not even close. I was actually incredibly hard on him pretty much his whole time here, but I’ve just learned to be objective and try to remove the irrational emotion from the equation. I’m not being emotional about Randle… any emotion is about the nonsense I’m having to respond to… there’s a difference. The emotion I’m talking about with you is the refusal to move off the narrative and utter dismissal of any counter point. Just repeating the same thing over and over. There’s emotion in that. When someone refuses to look at something any other way, what other conclusion could someone draw from that… besides emotion? Cuz it damn sure ain’t logic

[Clyde_Style]

I’m not attacking you personally? I’m just saying you’re being emotional about it which is clear… when someone brings facts and numbers to the table and you run from them and revert back to talking points like “historically bad” and call those same facts “fluff” you’re showing you have an agenda… one that is rooted in emotion for whatever reason..

You said some variation of "you" 9 times in your last post I responded to. Yes, that's coming at me. So, clearly, I'm NOT the one being emotional here, old sport. Superfans of a player can get defensive....no prob.

Nevertheless, these are the facts: HISTORICALLY BAD.

We can make excuses and juggle numbers and "ifs" to fit any narrative we choose. Your points were simply not WORTH addressing. They're the same years worth of recycled excuses being repackaged.

Randle will have the chance to step it up this year and erase the playoff stink. We need him to. Of course if he does poorly, even on this loaded team, there will be yet more excuses.

Wait, because I used the words “you” and “you’re” when simply addressing things “you” attacked Randle for, that constitutes as an attack on you? I don’t think there was much thought put into this bullshyt because there’s no correlation between an attack and using the words “you/you’re” when referencing specific things that were mentioned. I mean, wtf kinda weird shyt is this?

You take up all this time and energy crying about this nonsense instead of responding in good faith to my points about the difference between making an additional 1 FG per game or 0.5 3’s per game being his season averages vs being historically bad. What a fuggin joke lol. Who goes to such great lengths to dodge facts?

And for the record, no I’m no super fan of Randle’s by any stretch. Not even close. I was actually incredibly hard on him pretty much his whole time here, but I’ve just learned to be objective and try to remove the irrational emotion from the equation. I’m not being emotional about Randle… any emotion is about the nonsense I’m having to respond to… there’s a difference. The emotion I’m talking about with you is the refusal to move off the narrative and utter dismissal of any counter point. Just repeating the same thing over and over. There’s emotion in that. When someone refuses to look at something any other way, what other conclusion could someone draw from that… besides emotion? Cuz it damn sure ain’t logic

They are referring to Randle's playoff numbers being the worst for any All-Star player in the whole history of the NBA.

Whether he is given a pass for various reasons or not, those are the numbers. Until he performs well over the course of at least one playoff series, he will carry that stigma with many people.

No reason for anyone to fight over this. If you don't see significance in those numbers, that's your prerogative.

[Iron Mantis]

You said some variation of "you" 9 times in your last post I responded to. Yes, that's coming at me. So, clearly, I'm NOT the one being emotional here, old sport. Superfans of a player can get defensive....no prob.

Nevertheless, these are the facts: HISTORICALLY BAD.

We can make excuses and juggle numbers and "ifs" to fit any narrative we choose. Your points were simply not WORTH addressing. They're the same years worth of recycled excuses being repackaged.

Randle will have the chance to step it up this year and erase the playoff stink. We need him to. Of course if he does poorly, even on this loaded team, there will be yet more excuses.

Wait, because I used the words “you” and “you’re” when simply addressing things “you” attacked Randle for, that constitutes as an attack on you? I don’t think there was much thought put into this bullshyt because there’s no correlation between an attack and using the words “you/you’re” when referencing specific things that were mentioned. I mean, wtf kinda weird shyt is this?

You take up all this time and energy crying about this nonsense instead of responding in good faith to my points about the difference between making an additional 1 FG per game or 0.5 3’s per game being his season averages vs being historically bad. What a fuggin joke lol. Who goes to such great lengths to dodge facts?

And for the record, no I’m no super fan of Randle’s by any stretch. Not even close. I was actually incredibly hard on him pretty much his whole time here, but I’ve just learned to be objective and try to remove the irrational emotion from the equation. I’m not being emotional about Randle… any emotion is about the nonsense I’m having to respond to… there’s a difference. The emotion I’m talking about with you is the refusal to move off the narrative and utter dismissal of any counter point. Just repeating the same thing over and over. There’s emotion in that. When someone refuses to look at something any other way, what other conclusion could someone draw from that… besides emotion? Cuz it damn sure ain’t logic

They are referring to Randle's playoff numbers being the worst for any All-Star player in the whole history of the NBA.

Whether he is given a pass for various reasons or not, those are the numbers. Until he performs well over the course of at least one playoff series, he will carry that stigma with many people.

No reason for anyone to fight over this. If you don't see significance in those numbers, that's your prerogative.

This is all I'm saying.

It's really not complicated at all.

[Iron Mantis]

I’m not attacking you personally? I’m just saying you’re being emotional about it which is clear… when someone brings facts and numbers to the table and you run from them and revert back to talking points like “historically bad” and call those same facts “fluff” you’re showing you have an agenda… one that is rooted in emotion for whatever reason..

You said some variation of "you" 9 times in your last post I responded to. Yes, that's coming at me. So, clearly, I'm NOT the one being emotional here, old sport. Superfans of a player can get defensive....no prob.

Nevertheless, these are the facts: HISTORICALLY BAD.

We can make excuses and juggle numbers and "ifs" to fit any narrative we choose. Your points were simply not WORTH addressing. They're the same years worth of recycled excuses being repackaged.

Randle will have the chance to step it up this year and erase the playoff stink. We need him to. Of course if he does poorly, even on this loaded team, there will be yet more excuses.

Wait, because I used the words “you” and “you’re” when simply addressing things “you” attacked Randle for, that constitutes as an attack on you? I don’t think there was much thought put into this bullshyt because there’s no correlation between an attack and using the words “you/you’re” when referencing specific things that were mentioned. I mean, wtf kinda weird shyt is this?

You take up all this time and energy crying about this nonsense instead of responding in good faith to my points about the difference between making an additional 1 FG per game or 0.5 3’s per game being his season averages vs being historically bad. What a fuggin joke lol. Who goes to such great lengths to dodge facts?

And for the record, no I’m no super fan of Randle’s by any stretch. Not even close. I was actually incredibly hard on him pretty much his whole time here, but I’ve just learned to be objective and try to remove the irrational emotion from the equation. I’m not being emotional about Randle… any emotion is about the nonsense I’m having to respond to… there’s a difference. The emotion I’m talking about with you is the refusal to move off the narrative and utter dismissal of any counter point. Just repeating the same thing over and over. There’s emotion in that. When someone refuses to look at something any other way, what other conclusion could someone draw from that… besides emotion? Cuz it damn sure ain’t logic

Spoiler:

HISTORICALLY BAD

[Iron Mantis]

This video pretty much sums everything up.

Watch on YouTube

Fun "easter egg" from video:

Randle has the worst playoff PER in NBA History of any player putting up 12 shot attempts.

We all hope and pray he can break out of that funk....because it will mean steamrolling the Celts on the way to a Knicks championship next season.

[NiceLikeChrist]

People still think the Randle we saw with elfrid payton and nerlens noel starting and the randle playing on an ankle that required surgery are what his baseline playoff game is?

Healthy randle would have destroyed both philly AND Indiana

[Synciere]

Re-litigating 2021 isn’t helping anyone.

The arguments regarding Randle have been made over and over again. There’s plenty of evidence on both sides. The only real question at this point is does having Randle on a market deal help or hurt us? We’re as close as we’ve ever been. Randle is the perfect example that past success or failure does not indicate what will happen in the future. The improvements this team has made have done everything possible to take pressure off of both of our best players. We should be taking advantage of that.

[Clyde_Style]

Re-litigating 2021 isn’t helping anyone.

The arguments regarding Randle have been made over and over again. There’s plenty of evidence on both sides. The only real question at this point is does having Randle on a market deal help or hurt us? We’re as close as we’ve ever been. Randle is the perfect example that past success or failure does not indicate what will happen in the future. The improvements this team has made have done everything possible to take pressure off of both of our best players. We should be taking advantage of that.

The likeliest probabilities as I see them are:

1) Randle benefits the club and rounds out what could now become a top offense. His gravity on offense should be very beneficial to us.

2) If he stays healthy and most of our other key players are healthy, his opportunity to perform well in the playoffs will be optimal.

3) The FO at least waits to see how Randle performs after his injury and with this roster before committing to an extension. That could be a quarter season or until the next off-season, but I still doubt they extend him before seeing him back in action.

4) The majority of the roster is so good defensively that Randle will benefit and be a passable man defender and help defender as a result.

There, that's what I expect. As anyone can see, I'm not down on Randle. I'm simply cautious about committing to him for another four years because I think his ups and downs are legit concerns. The probability though is he kicks ass and prospers. I just want the FO to keep their powder dry for the time being just to be sure.

[Clyde_Style]

Also, if there is going to be any big deal to bring in another player going forward, I would expect it to involve Randle as part of the trade.

We don't know if this FO has their sights set on anyone else for a deal of that magnitude, but it would not surprise me at all. If there is such a deal being planned for it is probably going to include Randle and other miscellaneous players that are not the Nova boys or OG.

This goes well beyond personal opinions on Randle's value to us and is just a practical consideration that this FO may have other irons in the fire.

[KnicksGadfly]

I’m not attacking you personally? I’m just saying you’re being emotional about it which is clear… when someone brings facts and numbers to the table and you run from them and revert back to talking points like “historically bad” and call those same facts “fluff” you’re showing you have an agenda… one that is rooted in emotion for whatever reason..

You said some variation of "you" 9 times in your last post I responded to. Yes, that's coming at me. So, clearly, I'm NOT the one being emotional here, old sport. Superfans of a player can get defensive....no prob.

Nevertheless, these are the facts: HISTORICALLY BAD.

We can make excuses and juggle numbers and "ifs" to fit any narrative we choose. Your points were simply not WORTH addressing. They're the same years worth of recycled excuses being repackaged.

Randle will have the chance to step it up this year and erase the playoff stink. We need him to. Of course if he does poorly, even on this loaded team, there will be yet more excuses.

Wait, because I used the words “you” and “you’re” when simply addressing things “you” attacked Randle for, that constitutes as an attack on you? I don’t think there was much thought put into this bullshyt because there’s no correlation between an attack and using the words “you/you’re” when referencing specific things that were mentioned. I mean, wtf kinda weird shyt is this?

You take up all this time and energy crying about this nonsense instead of responding in good faith to my points about the difference between making an additional 1 FG per game or 0.5 3’s per game being his season averages vs being historically bad. What a fuggin joke lol. Who goes to such great lengths to dodge facts?

And for the record, no I’m no super fan of Randle’s by any stretch. Not even close. I was actually incredibly hard on him pretty much his whole time here, but I’ve just learned to be objective and try to remove the irrational emotion from the equation. I’m not being emotional about Randle… any emotion is about the nonsense I’m having to respond to… there’s a difference. The emotion I’m talking about with you is the refusal to move off the narrative and utter dismissal of any counter point. Just repeating the same thing over and over. There’s emotion in that. When someone refuses to look at something any other way, what other conclusion could someone draw from that… besides emotion? Cuz it damn sure ain’t logic

I don't see your argument for objectivity as particularly compelling.

Aside from the fact that I don't think any Knicks fan can be objective, you changing your opinion on Randle makes you like 99.99% of the Knicks fans on this forum. Because Randle has been so up and down over these past 5 years, most of us have gone through a period of hating Randle, loving Randle, giving up on Randle and more. He's the owner of a record-breaking amount of eat crow threads, which is a pretty shameful thing. Based on your criteria, I may be more objective than you. I hated Randle in the beginning, became a pretty strong supporter, and then completely gave up on Randle once he revealed his true colors in 2021-2022. I changed my mind 2 times, and you only changed your mind once. But of course, I don't make this argument that seriously. Like I said, 99.99% of this forum has lived the Randle experience with me. We've all changed our minds at this point.

I also think you're not that objective because some of your arguments have used things that aren't fact. Earlier, you called Derrick Rose during the 2020-2021 playoffs as a guy who was "on his last legs," to defend Randle's poor performance. You totally ignored how strong Rose's performance was. You're refusing to admit that Randle had a historically awful playoff performance...again this is can be proven through simple comparisons. Your latest quote also was an exaggeration that sought to minimize Randle's performance. "Making an additional 1 FG per game or 0.5 3’s per game being his season averages"

This is pretty easily refuted:
Randle's 2020-2021 regular season field goal stats:
8.5/18.6 = 45.6%
Randle's 2020-2021 postseason stats (hold your nose):
5.6/18.8 = 29.8%

That's a difference of 3 more missed shots a game, not this additional 1 FG per game. That's not insignificant. Consider the fact that playoff games are really close. The Knicks-Sixers series was extremely close and was often decided at the last minute. Also consider the fact that missed shots can be turned into fast breaks, Randle's inability to play-make and all that. When I see arguments like 1 more FG a game or Derrick Rose being on his last legs, I don't see objectivity at all.

[KnicksGadfly]

Re-litigating 2021 isn’t helping anyone.

The arguments regarding Randle have been made over and over again. There’s plenty of evidence on both sides. The only real question at this point is does having Randle on a market deal help or hurt us? We’re as close as we’ve ever been. Randle is the perfect example that past success or failure does not indicate what will happen in the future. The improvements this team has made have done everything possible to take pressure off of both of our best players. We should be taking advantage of that.

The likeliest probabilities as I see them are:

1) Randle benefits the club and rounds out what could now become a top offense. His gravity on offense should be very beneficial to us.

2) If he stays healthy and most of our other key players are healthy, his opportunity to perform well in the playoffs will be optimal.

3) The FO at least waits to see how Randle performs after his injury and with this roster before committing to an extension. That could be a quarter season or until the next off-season, but I still doubt they extend him before seeing him back in action.

4) The majority of the roster is so good defensively that Randle will benefit and be a passable man defender and help defender as a result.

There, that's what I expect. As anyone can see, I'm not down on Randle. I'm simply cautious about committing to him for another four years because I think his ups and downs are legit concerns. The probability though is he kicks ass and prospers. I just want the FO to keep their powder dry for the time being just to be sure.

I agree with most of this except the probability part. I think the probability is that Randle kicks ass and prospers...in the regular season. He's shown he can do that.

I think Randle probably stays because of our cap situation and the trade market and because Dolan really does love him, but I really see the chances of playoff success with Randle as much less than 50%. The big issue is that we aren't looking for regular season awards like all-star or All NBA anymore. We want championship contention at this point. 16 games, not 82. Several series against really high-quality opponents that will game plan against you, shorten their benches, refs swallowing whistles, etc.

However, I also don't see Mikal or OG as true 2nd options either, so it might be the Knicks need to rely on and hope Randle pulls through as a 2nd option. The only other viable option that's discussed on the market right now is Markannen imo...that's not happening. Guess people want KAT, too, and he's as soft as Randle. In the end, Randle might be the best out of a series of shytty options.

[spree8]

You said some variation of "you" 9 times in your last post I responded to. Yes, that's coming at me. So, clearly, I'm NOT the one being emotional here, old sport. Superfans of a player can get defensive....no prob.

Nevertheless, these are the facts: HISTORICALLY BAD.

We can make excuses and juggle numbers and "ifs" to fit any narrative we choose. Your points were simply not WORTH addressing. They're the same years worth of recycled excuses being repackaged.

Randle will have the chance to step it up this year and erase the playoff stink. We need him to. Of course if he does poorly, even on this loaded team, there will be yet more excuses.

Wait, because I used the words “you” and “you’re” when simply addressing things “you” attacked Randle for, that constitutes as an attack on you? I don’t think there was much thought put into this bullshyt because there’s no correlation between an attack and using the words “you/you’re” when referencing specific things that were mentioned. I mean, wtf kinda weird shyt is this?

You take up all this time and energy crying about this nonsense instead of responding in good faith to my points about the difference between making an additional 1 FG per game or 0.5 3’s per game being his season averages vs being historically bad. What a fuggin joke lol. Who goes to such great lengths to dodge facts?

And for the record, no I’m no super fan of Randle’s by any stretch. Not even close. I was actually incredibly hard on him pretty much his whole time here, but I’ve just learned to be objective and try to remove the irrational emotion from the equation. I’m not being emotional about Randle… any emotion is about the nonsense I’m having to respond to… there’s a difference. The emotion I’m talking about with you is the refusal to move off the narrative and utter dismissal of any counter point. Just repeating the same thing over and over. There’s emotion in that. When someone refuses to look at something any other way, what other conclusion could someone draw from that… besides emotion? Cuz it damn sure ain’t logic

I don't see your argument for objectivity as particularly compelling.

Aside from the fact that I don't think any Knicks fan can be objective, you changing your opinion on Randle makes you like 99.99% of the Knicks fans on this forum. Because Randle has been so up and down over these past 5 years, most of us have gone through a period of hating Randle, loving Randle, giving up on Randle and more. He's the owner of a record-breaking amount of eat crow threads, which is a pretty shameful thing. Based on your criteria, I may be more objective than you. I hated Randle in the beginning, became a pretty strong supporter, and then completely gave up on Randle once he revealed his true colors in 2021-2022. I changed my mind 2 times, and you only changed your mind once. But of course, I don't make this argument that seriously. Like I said, 99.99% of this forum has lived the Randle experience with me. We've all changed our minds at this point.

I also think you're not that objective because some of your arguments have used things that aren't fact. Earlier, you called Derrick Rose during the 2020-2021 playoffs as a guy who was "on his last legs," to defend Randle's poor performance. You totally ignored how strong Rose's performance was. You're refusing to admit that Randle had a historically awful playoff performance...again this is can be proven through simple comparisons. Your latest quote also was an exaggeration that sought to minimize Randle's performance. "Making an additional 1 FG per game or 0.5 3’s per game being his season averages"

This is pretty easily refuted:
Randle's 2020-2021 regular season field goal stats:
8.5/18.6 = 45.6%
Randle's 2020-2021 postseason stats (hold your nose):
5.6/18.8 = 29.8%

That's a difference of 3 more missed shots a game, not this additional 1 FG per game. That's not insignificant. Consider the fact that playoff games are really close. The Knicks-Sixers series was extremely close and was often decided at the last minute. Also consider the fact that missed shots can be turned into fast breaks, Randle's inability to play-make and all that. When I see arguments like 1 more FG a game or Derrick Rose being on his last legs, I don't see objectivity at all.

I was talking about Randle’s numbers in 2023 not 2021, not sure how you didn’t see that?

With Rose… why are you ignoring the fact he didn’t receive the same type of defensive focus Randle did? Why are you constantly comparing them? It’s a false equivalency for the umpteenth time. You say I’m not acknowledging Randle’s historically bad numbers, when I literally did in the post you’re wrongfully trying to debunk (my numbers referencing 2023), and I’m trying to explain why they were bad in 2021 by speaking to him being consistently doubled and tripled. That’s the reason he performed badly, (almost every possession in the half court he was given zero space by defenders and pushed to his right and had multiple defenders cutting off driving lanes, packing the paint, and helping up on him. It’s common knowledge. Go rewatch the tape and pause it and rewind it until you notice what the hell the defense is doing with him.

If you wanna talk about what he could’ve done better or what Thibs could’ve done better, I’m all for that type of discussion, but just beating the same talking points to death is tiring and superficial. Use your brain and look deeper. The team never really stood a chance once the Hawks decided to throw everything at Randle (who’s not even a true #1 option FFS) and force the kinda B level talent at best we had to beat them. That’s how Rose put up 19 ppg with making 1.5 3pt’ers at 47% per game…

It’s just so strange to read “Randle’s numbers are historically bad, everyone else’s was much better, Rose was awesome, it’s nobody’s fault but Randle’s” and when reasons are brought up as to why he performed that way, you dismiss it as excuses and literally have nothing else to contribute. It’s just really weird, like a hive mindset or something. You repeat the narrative and are not open to discussing anything of substance or interested in asking yourself why it happened. Just, “he sucks” and that’s it, no meaningful basketball discussion.

As for the whole being more objective thing… seems like a juvenile take, but whatever you say.

[Clyde_Style]

Re-litigating 2021 isn’t helping anyone.

The arguments regarding Randle have been made over and over again. There’s plenty of evidence on both sides. The only real question at this point is does having Randle on a market deal help or hurt us? We’re as close as we’ve ever been. Randle is the perfect example that past success or failure does not indicate what will happen in the future. The improvements this team has made have done everything possible to take pressure off of both of our best players. We should be taking advantage of that.

The likeliest probabilities as I see them are:

1) Randle benefits the club and rounds out what could now become a top offense. His gravity on offense should be very beneficial to us.

2) If he stays healthy and most of our other key players are healthy, his opportunity to perform well in the playoffs will be optimal.

3) The FO at least waits to see how Randle performs after his injury and with this roster before committing to an extension. That could be a quarter season or until the next off-season, but I still doubt they extend him before seeing him back in action.

4) The majority of the roster is so good defensively that Randle will benefit and be a passable man defender and help defender as a result.

There, that's what I expect. As anyone can see, I'm not down on Randle. I'm simply cautious about committing to him for another four years because I think his ups and downs are legit concerns. The probability though is he kicks ass and prospers. I just want the FO to keep their powder dry for the time being just to be sure.

I agree with most of this except the probability part. I think the probability is that Randle kicks ass and prospers...in the regular season. He's shown he can do that.

I think Randle probably stays because of our cap situation and the trade market and because Dolan really does love him, but I really see the chances of playoff success with Randle as much less than 50%. The big issue is that we aren't looking for regular season awards like all-star or All NBA anymore. We want championship contention at this point. 16 games, not 82. Several series against really high-quality opponents that will game plan against you, shorten their benches, refs swallowing whistles, etc.

However, I also don't see Mikal or OG as true 2nd options either, so it might be the Knicks need to rely on and hope Randle pulls through as a 2nd option. The only other viable option that's discussed on the market right now is Markannen imo...that's not happening. Guess people want KAT, too, and he's as soft as Randle. In the end, Randle might be the best out of a series of shytty options.

Well, that has been my general point that as much as Randle can benefit us the question remains as to whether or not he'll crap the bed in the playoffs. He is not generally the guy I want taking the last shot in the regular season either as he tends to choke under extreme pressure. He's not the most clutch guy overall.

TBH, I'm not fond of the 2nd Option meme, because a deep team has different guys step up on different nights to be that scorer you need next to Brunson. Even in our depleted state as we somehow ground out wins in the playoffs you still had guys get hot and take us to the win.

Yes, I get it, the 2nd option is that consistent scorer you can rely on as opposed to getting that contribution from a varied cast. Even the Celtics get that kind of production from various guys on different nights. On raw stats, Tatum is # 1 and Brown is #2, but in the playoffs Brown was better IMO and White and KP had bigger nights as second fiddles some games. They are hard to defend with multiple scorers on the floor and unselfish passing and I think our starting 5 can have a similar impact regardless of Randle's scoring load or PPG.

Less important than being # 2 in PPG is Randle produces in the paint which draws defenses and opens up the floor. If he's playing with basic common sense and finding open men it will be a pick your poison for defenses. It should actually help Randle score more easily sometimes as they choose not to stray from their man.

Last season, we had games, I don't recall how many, with 5 or more guys in double figures. We're going to have more of those this season. Needing 50-60 points from a # 1 and # 2 option is not necessarily going to be our formula. This team has got a different vibe than the rest of the league. They were very selfless overall. I expect that to carry over into scoring coming from all over the roster. We're pretty deep and capable of going on runs with our bench against less deep teams. There are nights where Divo will be the # 2 or even Josh Hart who did it a number of times.

[msanchez2725]

There is no chance in hell he gets 5/310. If he was smart he’d take 4/180 but I’m not even sure that’s on the table. Almost nobody has cap room next season so why bid against ourselves.

[spree2kawhi]

I def don't care about your opinion. You stan Frank, KAT and Jerami Grant

This is you when it comes to basketball takes

See? Melo’s got the dossiers on everyone.

People with the worst takes on this board act like they’re Jerry West of realgm

Oh wow, shots fired To some, realgm and their team and their favorite players they don’t even know really must mean everything

I can live with being wrong without acting tough and bullying. I was wrong on LaMelo Ball for example, thought that kid was all hype. So what? Stop being such childish clowns on this board with all the receipts bs. It’s pathetic.

[spree2kawhi]

This video pretty much sums everything up.

Watch on YouTube

Fun "easter egg" from video:

Randle has the worst playoff PER in NBA History of any player putting up 12 shot attempts.

We all hope and pray he can break out of that funk....because it will mean steamrolling the Celts on the way to a Knicks championship next season.

We don’t want to hear that around here.

[spree2kawhi]

People still think the Randle we saw with elfrid payton and nerlens noel starting and the randle playing on an ankle that required surgery are what his baseline playoff game is?

Healthy randle would have destroyed both philly AND Indiana

Yeah, you’re right. I will now believe you instead and blame everything on Payton. Oh and the ankle. Yes, the turnovers because of the ankle, of course.

[Iron Mantis]

But after the Knicks’ season ended in a loss to the Heat in the Eastern Conference semifinals, Randle refused to use the injury as an alibi.

“No, I’m not one to make excuses,” Randle had said

Right on, Julius.

Hope this playoffs he can elevate his game and his decision-making under pressure and crush Tatum.

[StlHawksFan]

Randle's not going to be traded. I'd put money on him ending the season a Knick.

Who are we hearing about in terms of trade rumors? Rockets? Clippers?

A Rockets deal would have to involve us taking back Dillon Brooks for salary reasons. And if that's the case, Rose is going to want the House from Houston. So when he asks for Sengun and Eason, what happens to Houston's interest?

A Clippers deal, likewise, means we take on Powell. Another 2-guard that we don't need. But it's worse in this case because financially it only nets us Zubac. And we're not the Nets so we're not making a trade like that. They have no draft capital for the next decade. No way he is moved to the Clips either.

[StlHawksFan]

There is no chance in hell he gets 5/310. If he was smart he’d take 4/180 but I’m not even sure that’s on the table. Almost nobody has cap room next season so why bid against ourselves.

Only team that would worry me is the Spurs. He would fit in perfectly there.