Monitoring the Trade: Rob Dillingham for Jakob Poeltl

[ConSarnit]

Poeltl is a solid NBA player but he's not what the doctor ordered for this team and just part of the poor decision making phase when they thought one of Siakam or FVV was actually a +5 player who just needed a remotely solid center and then maybe there would be a way to add another +5 player to the team in short order to have a window of opportunity to make some deeper playoff runs for 3-4 years.

On top of that the margins are slimmer by the year for guys like Poeltl who absolutely cannot shoot the ball. He's very inconsistent when it comes to protecting the ball and staying out of foul trouble in addition to being a guy you don't want to play at end of games due to FT%. Clingan, who I'm confident we would have landed had we retained #8, is just in another universe when it comes to ball protection, interior defense and comes w/ floor spacing potential along w/ potential to shoot in mid 60's at FT line. It's sad that we aren't moving forward with Barnes and Clingan on this team going into 2025 w/ potential to add two more lottery picks then and in 2026. The team would be sitting so pretty right now.

I’m not really sure how you can make this claim about Clingan’s shooting. Poeltl and Clingan both played 2 years in college. Here’s their college free throw shooting:

Poeltl: 61%

Clingan: 56%

There’s almost no precedent for a guy like Clingan becoming even an average shooter.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Poeltl is a solid NBA player but he's not what the doctor ordered for this team and just part of the poor decision making phase when they thought one of Siakam or FVV was actually a +5 player who just needed a remotely solid center and then maybe there would be a way to add another +5 player to the team in short order to have a window of opportunity to make some deeper playoff runs for 3-4 years.

On top of that the margins are slimmer by the year for guys like Poeltl who absolutely cannot shoot the ball. He's very inconsistent when it comes to protecting the ball and staying out of foul trouble in addition to being a guy you don't want to play at end of games due to FT%. Clingan, who I'm confident we would have landed had we retained #8, is just in another universe when it comes to ball protection, interior defense and comes w/ floor spacing potential along w/ potential to shoot in mid 60's at FT line. It's sad that we aren't moving forward with Barnes and Clingan on this team going into 2025 w/ potential to add two more lottery picks then and in 2026. The team would be sitting so pretty right now.

I’m not really sure how you can make this claim about Clingan’s shooting. Poeltl and Clingan both played 2 years in college. Here’s their college free throw shooting:

Poeltl: 61%

Clingan: 56%

There’s almost no precedent for a guy like Clingan becoming even an average shooter.

It's almost universally acknowledged Clingan has floor spacing potential, so ask just about everyone else who has evaluated him. Poeltl is just a complete non-shooter.

This doesn't mean he will start lighting it up from beyond the arc, it means he has a respectable enough shot to force teams to not sag off him. This also opens things up given his ability to raise ball high above him and zip passes to cutters from that area of floor as well. His standstill passing is very good and he has flashed some ability to pass while in motion as well.

[Scase]

No one is complaining about Jak, no one is disrespecting Jak. People are complaining about the trade, and the value attached to it, that's all anyone has ever complained about.

This just isn't true. As someone who is on this forum 24/7, I'd think you'd know it.

There has been so much anti poeltl posting that isn't the trade but him as a player.

Perhaps I don't commit to memory the unreasonable posts. I'm sure SOMEONE has said something outlandish, but the biggest complaints about him as a player is usually about his lack of range. But when people are taking into account the player overall in the context of the trade, it's usually "Not a bad player, but a bad fit for the team/its timeline/bad acquisition cost".

So I'll say, the vast majority of complaints are not about the player.

[DreamTeam09]

The Jak trade was bad when it happened, and it's even worse now. If it was such a good trade, we'd still have FVV/OG/Siakam on the team, but it wasn't. It was a misguided attempt to give an extremely flawed core yet another kick at the can, and it failed. Pro/anti tank doesn't matter, we won 25 games last year, and it was indisputable, that we were accomplishing nothing the second that play in game ended.

As for the overpaying Quickley comment, well I guess you just choose to ignore things. Cause the thread about his signing was filled by nothing but discussions about whether or not he was overpaid, I said he was overpaid, as did a bunch of other people. The Olynyk trade has been complained about a fair amount, I think it was a stupid trade for a player we could have just signed in FA and could've used the pick in another more meaningful trade. And people have been dumping on Ochai (rightfully so) a lot more lately, and a bunch of us since the trade was made. But you dont hear as much stink about the trade, because it wasn't that big of a trade.

Just because you don't remember, or pay attention to it, doesn't mean these convos aren't happening. Like all you have to do is go into any of the "Official X players" threads, and you will see it. Don't use ignorance to defend a bad Jak trade.

From a salary standpoint this is just simply not true. In no shape or form would all 3 of these guys still be on our roster.
I can easily argue that the Jakob trade was so that we can stop putting Barnes at the 5 with an actual capable 5

There is zero logic behind this. If Masai thought he couldn't keep them all, he would have traded FVV instead of gambling to keep him and losing him for nothing, but he didn't do that.

Jak was acquired to try the core out with a proper C, since it never had one, and it failed. There is absolutely 0 logic to ruin your draft chances for a good draft by getting a 28 year old centre, to pair with your 21 year old sophomore blue chip. You are jumping through more hoops than a dog at the Westminster Dog Show. Jak was a win now move with a core of players in their mid to late 20's, Masai himself all but called the trade a mistake, stop trying to justify it, if even he has reconciled with it.

The Jak trade was bad when it happened, and it's even worse now. If it was such a good trade, we'd still have FVV/OG/Siakam on the team, but it wasn't. It was a misguided attempt to give an extremely flawed core yet another kick at the can, and it failed. Pro/anti tank doesn't matter, we won 25 games last year, and it was indisputable, that we were accomplishing nothing the second that play in game ended.

As for the overpaying Quickley comment, well I guess you just choose to ignore things. Cause the thread about his signing was filled by nothing but discussions about whether or not he was overpaid, I said he was overpaid, as did a bunch of other people. The Olynyk trade has been complained about a fair amount, I think it was a stupid trade for a player we could have just signed in FA and could've used the pick in another more meaningful trade. And people have been dumping on Ochai (rightfully so) a lot more lately, and a bunch of us since the trade was made. But you dont hear as much stink about the trade, because it wasn't that big of a trade.

Just because you don't remember, or pay attention to it, doesn't mean these convos aren't happening. Like all you have to do is go into any of the "Official X players" threads, and you will see it. Don't use ignorance to defend a bad Jak trade.

Not defending the trade and not dissing paying IQ. The constant bellyaching is disrespectful to the player who happens to be a legit starter. He is here now. On a good contract. He isn't on the downside of his career. He is not a black hole with the ball. I think we would have the real picture of Poetl in the playoffs should our max players turn a significant corner and produce winning basketball. In a perfect world he bridges the team until Chomche is in the rotation. Is anyone willing to wait?

No one is complaining about Jak, no one is disrespecting Jak. People are complaining about the trade, and the value attached to it, that's all anyone has ever complained about. The trade has amounted to nothing but worse draft odds, you ask if people are willing to wait for him to bridge to Chomche? What people are up in arms about, is that we shouldn't even be in that position at all, the trade was bad and never should have been made. Chomche definitely looks intriguing, but the concept of having Jak on the roster for the acquisition cost, and the opportunity cost, just to hope and pray that the last pick in the 2nd round of a draft that is widely considered to be one of the worst in decades, was the goal all along, is beyond insane.

We didn't and don't need Jak for that, we could have done absolutely nothing and have been in a better long term place. JV would have been more than enough to bridge that gap, and he costs half the amount in salary, and would have cost us literally nothing to acquire.

It was a bad trade, considered almost universally so, the player is fine, the trade is not. It's time to come to terms with it.

Again you keep saying things and then keep making up your own inferences without actually being in the room & taking them for facts.

We tried to trade FVV, didn't like the return because he was an expiring, then we tried to resign him to a short term tradable contract, and we got outbid by a desperate team, while we weren't so desperate and made a pivot.

Pascal & OG & FVV all got offered deals we were not willing to match that's why they're not here. Jakob is here because he's on an affordable deal & the team values what he brings, and the fact that we have signed on a relatively cheap deal should signal the risk to reward factor was negligible, especially considering the weak draft & the productivity of Jakob to our organization as a whole

[Scase]

From a salary standpoint this is just simply not true. In no shape or form would all 3 of these guys still be on our roster.
I can easily argue that the Jakob trade was so that we can stop putting Barnes at the 5 with an actual capable 5

There is zero logic behind this. If Masai thought he couldn't keep them all, he would have traded FVV instead of gambling to keep him and losing him for nothing, but he didn't do that.

Jak was acquired to try the core out with a proper C, since it never had one, and it failed. There is absolutely 0 logic to ruin your draft chances for a good draft by getting a 28 year old centre, to pair with your 21 year old sophomore blue chip. You are jumping through more hoops than a dog at the Westminster Dog Show. Jak was a win now move with a core of players in their mid to late 20's, Masai himself all but called the trade a mistake, stop trying to justify it, if even he has reconciled with it.

Not defending the trade and not dissing paying IQ. The constant bellyaching is disrespectful to the player who happens to be a legit starter. He is here now. On a good contract. He isn't on the downside of his career. He is not a black hole with the ball. I think we would have the real picture of Poetl in the playoffs should our max players turn a significant corner and produce winning basketball. In a perfect world he bridges the team until Chomche is in the rotation. Is anyone willing to wait?

No one is complaining about Jak, no one is disrespecting Jak. People are complaining about the trade, and the value attached to it, that's all anyone has ever complained about. The trade has amounted to nothing but worse draft odds, you ask if people are willing to wait for him to bridge to Chomche? What people are up in arms about, is that we shouldn't even be in that position at all, the trade was bad and never should have been made. Chomche definitely looks intriguing, but the concept of having Jak on the roster for the acquisition cost, and the opportunity cost, just to hope and pray that the last pick in the 2nd round of a draft that is widely considered to be one of the worst in decades, was the goal all along, is beyond insane.

We didn't and don't need Jak for that, we could have done absolutely nothing and have been in a better long term place. JV would have been more than enough to bridge that gap, and he costs half the amount in salary, and would have cost us literally nothing to acquire.

It was a bad trade, considered almost universally so, the player is fine, the trade is not. It's time to come to terms with it.

Again you keep saying things and then keep making up your own inferences without actually being in the room & taking them for facts.

We tried to trade FVV, didn't like the return because he was an expiring, then we tried to resign him to a short term tradable contract, and we got outbid by a desperate team, while we weren't so desperate and made a pivot.

Pascal & OG & FVV all got offered deals we were not willing to match that's why they're not here. Jakob is here because he's on an affordable deal & the team values what he brings, and the fact that we have signed on a relatively cheap deal should signal the risk to reward factor was negligible, especially considering the weak draft & the productivity of Jakob to our organization as a whole

[ForeverTFC]

Premature thread. We won't know who Rob Dillingham will be for a few years. And as others have mentioned, who knows if we even pick him (we probably wouldn't given our roster).

Poeltl trade was fine when it happened. It became a disaster once FVV walked. With that said, the chances that it is a franchise crippling move are pretty damn low. So we already know how to grade the deal in hindsight: it was a bad deal. Time to move on.

[deck]

Regardless of Poeltl, Dillingham, or a player we could have hypothetically drafted, this wasn't a good trade for us because it limited the franchises flexibility at a time when we needed it most.

[HumbleRen]

Why are we monitoring the trade?

We wouldn’t have selected Rob, we’d most likely have a top 5 pick anyways if we never did the trade.

[Kurtz]

Premature thread. We won't know who Rob Dillingham will be for a few years. And as others have mentioned, who knows if we even pick him (we probably wouldn't given our roster).

Poeltl trade was fine when it happened. It became a disaster once FVV walked. With that said, the chances that it is a franchise crippling move are pretty damn low. So we already know how to grade the deal in hindsight: it was a bad deal. Time to move on.

Thing is, if we don't anchor the Poetl trade to the guy picked with his pick, then Poetl will forever more be compared against every single draft pick that went after the 8th pick.

Though that'll probably happen regardless.

[DKB333]

Posters seem happy that the Raptors got two 2nd rounders in the deal with the Kings, but seem to forget that the Raptors gave away two 2nd rounders and the 1st for Poeltl. I like Poeltl though and he is an asset at his salary. I am not losing sleep over the trade and it was great that the Spurs got a 2024 1st and not a 2025 or 2026 1st.

[ForeverTFC]

Premature thread. We won't know who Rob Dillingham will be for a few years. And as others have mentioned, who knows if we even pick him (we probably wouldn't given our roster).

Poeltl trade was fine when it happened. It became a disaster once FVV walked. With that said, the chances that it is a franchise crippling move are pretty damn low. So we already know how to grade the deal in hindsight: it was a bad deal. Time to move on.

Thing is, if we don't anchor the Poetl trade to the guy picked with his pick, then Poetl will forever more be compared against every single draft pick that went after the 8th pick.

Though that'll probably happen regardless.

Exactly. There is no winning this either way.

For example, how do we judge the Lowry trade? Is it Steven Adams who was picked with our pick or is it Giannis who Masai was desperately trying to trade for? And knowing what we know now, would we still have made that trade for Lowry at the expense of Giannis? And what if we end up trading Poeltl? Do we then shift the narrative to Dillingham vs x? And even if it is Dillingham, who says he develops the same with us?

I honestly think we know how to grade this trade. It turned out to be a bad trade. The rationale made sense but they should have known they were at a high risk of losing FVV. Even if Dillingham is a bust and no one behind Poeltl pans out to be anything, it's still a bad move in hindsight.

[ConSarnit]

Poeltl is a solid NBA player but he's not what the doctor ordered for this team and just part of the poor decision making phase when they thought one of Siakam or FVV was actually a +5 player who just needed a remotely solid center and then maybe there would be a way to add another +5 player to the team in short order to have a window of opportunity to make some deeper playoff runs for 3-4 years.

On top of that the margins are slimmer by the year for guys like Poeltl who absolutely cannot shoot the ball. He's very inconsistent when it comes to protecting the ball and staying out of foul trouble in addition to being a guy you don't want to play at end of games due to FT%. Clingan, who I'm confident we would have landed had we retained #8, is just in another universe when it comes to ball protection, interior defense and comes w/ floor spacing potential along w/ potential to shoot in mid 60's at FT line. It's sad that we aren't moving forward with Barnes and Clingan on this team going into 2025 w/ potential to add two more lottery picks then and in 2026. The team would be sitting so pretty right now.

I’m not really sure how you can make this claim about Clingan’s shooting. Poeltl and Clingan both played 2 years in college. Here’s their college free throw shooting:

Poeltl: 61%

Clingan: 56%

There’s almost no precedent for a guy like Clingan becoming even an average shooter.

It's almost universally acknowledged Clingan has floor spacing potential, so ask just about everyone else who has evaluated him. Poeltl is just a complete non-shooter.

This doesn't mean he will start lighting it up from beyond the arc, it means he has a respectable enough shot to force teams to not sag off him. This also opens things up given his ability to raise ball high above him and zip passes to cutters from that area of floor as well. His standstill passing is very good and he has flashed some ability to pass while in motion as well.

Did you watch him in summer league? His 3pt shot looks atrocious. There is no way his shooting is respectable enough for teams to guard him on the perimeter. Teams are going to leave him wide open from 3 and I have serious doubts for him ever becoming a respectable shooter. None of his history suggests he’s capable of it and his in game form looks terrible. As far as I can tell the only reason people think he can shoot are videos of him hitting shots in an open gym, which we’ve seen countless players do before.

[Merit]

Poeltl is a solid NBA player but he's not what the doctor ordered for this team and just part of the poor decision making phase when they thought one of Siakam or FVV was actually a +5 player who just needed a remotely solid center and then maybe there would be a way to add another +5 player to the team in short order to have a window of opportunity to make some deeper playoff runs for 3-4 years.

On top of that the margins are slimmer by the year for guys like Poeltl who absolutely cannot shoot the ball. He's very inconsistent when it comes to protecting the ball and staying out of foul trouble in addition to being a guy you don't want to play at end of games due to FT%. Clingan, who I'm confident we would have landed had we retained #8, is just in another universe when it comes to ball protection, interior defense and comes w/ floor spacing potential along w/ potential to shoot in mid 60's at FT line. It's sad that we aren't moving forward with Barnes and Clingan on this team going into 2025 w/ potential to add two more lottery picks then and in 2026. The team would be sitting so pretty right now.

The primary benefit of having clingan on this team in lieu of Jak at this time is his rookie scale contract. His performance is likely to be very similar to Jak’s.

[Merit]

I’m not really sure how you can make this claim about Clingan’s shooting. Poeltl and Clingan both played 2 years in college. Here’s their college free throw shooting:

Poeltl: 61%

Clingan: 56%

There’s almost no precedent for a guy like Clingan becoming even an average shooter.

It's almost universally acknowledged Clingan has floor spacing potential, so ask just about everyone else who has evaluated him. Poeltl is just a complete non-shooter.

This doesn't mean he will start lighting it up from beyond the arc, it means he has a respectable enough shot to force teams to not sag off him. This also opens things up given his ability to raise ball high above him and zip passes to cutters from that area of floor as well. His standstill passing is very good and he has flashed some ability to pass while in motion as well.

Did you watch him in summer league? His 3pt shot looks atrocious. There is no way his shooting is respectable enough for teams to guard him on the perimeter. Teams are going to leave him wide open from 3 and I have serious doubts for him ever becoming a respectable shooter. None of his history suggests he’s capable of it and his in game form looks terrible. As far as I can tell the only reason people think he can shoot are videos of him hitting shots in an open gym, which we’ve seen countless players do before.

Including Poeltl, for that matter.

[ChillRelaxDude]

Posters seem happy that the Raptors got two 2nd rounders in the deal with the Kings, but seem to forget that the Raptors gave away two 2nd rounders and the 1st for Poeltl. I like Poeltl though and he is an asset at his salary. I am not losing sleep over the trade and it was great that the Spurs got a 2024 1st and not a 2025 or 2026 1st.

Did the other posters forget that we dumped two years of Khem Birth's dead-weight contract off on the Spurs?

Using that as a comp, the King's deal is still a steal.

[will]

LAWL. Traded away a FRP for Yakub to go on a faux play in run.

[HiJiNX]

I’m hopeful on chomche if only because he put his name in the draft a year early. Actually it’s his work ethic that gets me. Moving from not being able to speak English at all to being semi fluent in such a short period of time is extremely impressive and bodes well for his ability to learn and grow.

Thanks for your opinion. It’s super challenging to predict how a person may develop. I remember being super high on Ricky Rubio but then he plateaued really soon. Regardless, I wish Matas all the best!

Thanks for the convo my guy.

Funny you bring up Rubio—I never saw it with him. I saw a kid that could dribble and pass but couldn’t get in the lane easily unless he was in transition and was a horrible leaper off one or two feet and lacked strength. He also couldn’t shoot. So I was like, how is he gonna score at the NBA level if he can’t get to the rim or shoot or absorb contact? Passing skills are negated if you can’t score. He eventually developed a decent jumper but he still couldn’t overcome his physical limitations. Got a lot of steals too and became a good defender which I didn’t really see coming giving his lack of foot speed.

I dunno man, I’m pretty good at player prognostications. Obviously I’m wrong a lot, but I would also wager that I’m right more than a lot of people, even some of the folks who do this professionally. Eventually I’m gonna create a platform to look at guys who were just drafted and try to project who they’ll be in their primes. It’ll be fun to see what I get right and what I get wrong (like Perry Jones III who I thought was gonna be awesome and…he flamed out super fast haha).

While I’m here, my sleeper in this draft is Kel’el Ware. Crazy he fell so far in the draft. He’s gonna be a stretch big who also rebounds and blocks shots, while being able to switch out to the perimeter on D, and also providing a vertical threat on O. Imagine if Tyson Chandler could shoot and dribble a little bit. That’s close to what I think Kel’el Ware will be.

Appreciate the generous response.

I don’t feel confident enough to put myself fully out there in terms of my prognostications. With Rubio it was his passing that got me, but also his youth. I was hoping his shot would develop enough and that his strength would come around with better trainers. He ended up staying basically the same and producing similarly to what he was doing as a kid in the euro league. While his anticipation got him steals, he was a huge disappointment to me based upon the hype I had heard prior to his arrival.

You do have some solid picks in terms of player eval. Everyone gets it wrong sometimes. Heck, Masai drafted Bruno Caboclo before the ‘24 Olympics. Let me know when you’re up and running, because I’d definitely read the info you share on your future platform.

By the way, I like ware as much as you do. As always, Miami kills it in the draft. Was hoping we would get ware given there were rumours liking him to us, but if we can get Jakobe and Gradey as off ball killers while also playing BBQ - I’d be ecstatic.

Oh and if Mogbo ends up similar to pascal and Shead ends up similar to Fred - call me a Masai fanboy because that’s what I’d become. If chomche turns into anything that’s a massive win, and I know we’re both pulling for that.

Appreciate it my guy!

If I have the time I’ll probably get the platform up and running around training camp. But until then I got my realgm community haha.

Mogbo…for me best case scenario is Boris Diaw. But I don’t see him getting there. Diaw was super talented, he just didn’t want to score. Mogbo has size, a quick first step, a handle, and can pass. Cant really score, though, and doesn’t seem to have natural touch. I don’t think he ends up like Pascal who has elite open court speed and a natural touch around the basket you can’t really teach—Mogbo doesn’t have those things. Or the soccer feet that Siakam has. But I think Mogbo will be a good connective piece if he sticks. A Draymond-like guy on offence but not near the defender Draymond is (who for many years was the best defender in the league IMO—he does so much off the ball). It can really go either way with him.

Shead… I’d love it if he can make it, and I think. Hard to see how and where he ends up as a player. Best case scenario seems like Marcus Smart with better shot selection and floor generalship…which isn’t a bad player at all but not a super valuable guy in a league that is trending bigger with better shooting at the PG spot. He’ll need a Lowry-like leap in shooting to really make it in the league IMO. I can see a 7-10 year journeyman backup PG career for him as an unheralded guy who helps good teams win simply because he won’t give away leads when he’s on the floor.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Poeltl is a solid NBA player but he's not what the doctor ordered for this team and just part of the poor decision making phase when they thought one of Siakam or FVV was actually a +5 player who just needed a remotely solid center and then maybe there would be a way to add another +5 player to the team in short order to have a window of opportunity to make some deeper playoff runs for 3-4 years.

On top of that the margins are slimmer by the year for guys like Poeltl who absolutely cannot shoot the ball. He's very inconsistent when it comes to protecting the ball and staying out of foul trouble in addition to being a guy you don't want to play at end of games due to FT%. Clingan, who I'm confident we would have landed had we retained #8, is just in another universe when it comes to ball protection, interior defense and comes w/ floor spacing potential along w/ potential to shoot in mid 60's at FT line. It's sad that we aren't moving forward with Barnes and Clingan on this team going into 2025 w/ potential to add two more lottery picks then and in 2026. The team would be sitting so pretty right now.

The primary benefit of having clingan on this team in lieu of Jak at this time is his rookie scale contract. His performance is likely to be very similar to Jak’s.

Unless Poeltl plays the basketball of his life (like the 26 game sample after he was traded back here where he had the lowest TOV% and highest TRB% and STL% of his career) there's actually a very real chance Clingan outperforms him this very year despite being a rookie, certainly if Poeltl plays like he did over 50 games this year for the Raps. The benefit of having Clingan over Poeltl is you have organizational control of a vastly more talented player the moment he steps into the locker room period. Clingan's defense is on another level and he is less mistake prone and overall more dynamic w/ superior measurables.

Hurley's players come more NBA ready than others. Hawkins and Sanogo probably shouldn't even be getting the looks they are professionally but because of the Dan Hurley basketball education and boot camp they're actually forcing teams to invest in them.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I’m not really sure how you can make this claim about Clingan’s shooting. Poeltl and Clingan both played 2 years in college. Here’s their college free throw shooting:

Poeltl: 61%

Clingan: 56%

There’s almost no precedent for a guy like Clingan becoming even an average shooter.

It's almost universally acknowledged Clingan has floor spacing potential, so ask just about everyone else who has evaluated him. Poeltl is just a complete non-shooter.

This doesn't mean he will start lighting it up from beyond the arc, it means he has a respectable enough shot to force teams to not sag off him. This also opens things up given his ability to raise ball high above him and zip passes to cutters from that area of floor as well. His standstill passing is very good and he has flashed some ability to pass while in motion as well.

Did you watch him in summer league? His 3pt shot looks atrocious. There is no way his shooting is respectable enough for teams to guard him on the perimeter. Teams are going to leave him wide open from 3 and I have serious doubts for him ever becoming a respectable shooter. None of his history suggests he’s capable of it and his in game form looks terrible. As far as I can tell the only reason people think he can shoot are videos of him hitting shots in an open gym, which we’ve seen countless players do before.

Clingan has shot well from deep in scrimmages, workouts, the combine drills and the shot passes the eye test that it is workable and he's 20 years old. Again, Poeltl has no chance of ever even coming close to mimicking the competency of Clingan from deep even in an "open gym" setting. I maintain that Clingan has floor spacing potential. If you want to interpret that as meaning he's going to be a floor spacer that's on you. What we can say about Poeltl is that such potential completely does not exist due to hard-wired motor skill issues shooting the ball.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

It's almost universally acknowledged Clingan has floor spacing potential, so ask just about everyone else who has evaluated him. Poeltl is just a complete non-shooter.

This doesn't mean he will start lighting it up from beyond the arc, it means he has a respectable enough shot to force teams to not sag off him. This also opens things up given his ability to raise ball high above him and zip passes to cutters from that area of floor as well. His standstill passing is very good and he has flashed some ability to pass while in motion as well.

Did you watch him in summer league? His 3pt shot looks atrocious. There is no way his shooting is respectable enough for teams to guard him on the perimeter. Teams are going to leave him wide open from 3 and I have serious doubts for him ever becoming a respectable shooter. None of his history suggests he’s capable of it and his in game form looks terrible. As far as I can tell the only reason people think he can shoot are videos of him hitting shots in an open gym, which we’ve seen countless players do before.

Including Poeltl, for that matter.

Care to post videos of Poeltl's 3pt shot mechanics since you claim to have evidence of him being able to shoot the ball well in an open gym? Comparing Clingan's mechanics w/ the 2 shots I've witnessed Poeltl throw up there is absolutely no debate here whose shooting form is superior.