2024-25 Regular Season

[jbk1234]

Morris got hot against the Celtics in the elimination game as to where Niang was awful whenever he touched the floor in the playoffs. The Cavs really need a third option. Even counting the good stretch against bad teams, $8M per is too much money for a playoff team to pay a guy you really can't play in the playoffs. To the extent Morris is the better option in the playoffs, he's not good enough to run his mouth to the media and cause locker room problems. I don't know that we get by the Magic without JB starting Mobley, Okoro, Strus, Mitchell, and Garland in Game 7.

[JonFromVA]

Morris got hot against the Celtics in the elimination game as to where Niang was awful whenever he touched the floor in the playoffs. The Cavs really need a third option. Even counting the good stretch against bad teams, $8M per is too much money for a playoff team to pay a guy you really can't play in the playoffs. To the extent Morris is the better option in the playoffs, he's not good enough to run his mouth to the media and cause locker room problems. I don't know that we get by the Magic without JB starting Mobley, Okoro, Strus, Mitchell, and Garland in Game 7.

Too bad Isaac's contract situation isn't settled, maybe we'd have his workouts focused on him playing more minutes at PF.

Personally, I have my fingers crossed that Niang bounces back. Sometimes even great shooters struggle, let alone really good ones like Niang. Seems to me if he's going to expand his offensive game he'd better get in shape for it, otherwise we should be able to adjust our offense so Niang trying to create isn't our only option. Let him space and shoot. Get him in more 4 and 5 man out lineups that JBB struggled to field.

[JujitsuFlip]

Morris got hot against the Celtics in the elimination game as to where Niang was awful whenever he touched the floor in the playoffs. The Cavs really need a third option. Even counting the good stretch against bad teams, $8M per is too much money for a playoff team to pay a guy you really can't play in the playoffs. To the extent Morris is the better option in the playoffs, he's not good enough to run his mouth to the media and cause locker room problems. I don't know that we get by the Magic without JB starting Mobley, Okoro, Strus, Mitchell, and Garland in Game 7.

Too bad Isaac's contract situation isn't settled, maybe we'd have his workouts focused on him playing more minutes at PF.

Personally, I have my fingers crossed that Niang bounces back. Sometimes even great shooters struggle, let alone really good ones like Niang. Seems to me if he's going to expand his offensive game he'd better get in shape for it, otherwise we should be able to adjust our offense so Niang trying to create isn't our only option. Let him space and shoot. Get him in more 4 and 5 man out lineups that JBB struggled to field.

6'5" Okoro at PF? No thanks.

Hopefully Lauri extends this week so the Cavs can do whatever with Okoro. I still don't understand why they wouldn't fill any of their 2 way spots yet, those have zero cap implications.

[jbk1234]

Not sure I like the idea of giving a team with Banchero and Wagner an entire series to figure out what to do with Okoro and Strus. The Cavs need another big besides Wade.

[toooskies]

Morris got hot against the Celtics in the elimination game as to where Niang was awful whenever he touched the floor in the playoffs. The Cavs really need a third option. Even counting the good stretch against bad teams, $8M per is too much money for a playoff team to pay a guy you really can't play in the playoffs. To the extent Morris is the better option in the playoffs, he's not good enough to run his mouth to the media and cause locker room problems. I don't know that we get by the Magic without JB starting Mobley, Okoro, Strus, Mitchell, and Garland in Game 7.

Too bad Isaac's contract situation isn't settled, maybe we'd have his workouts focused on him playing more minutes at PF.

Personally, I have my fingers crossed that Niang bounces back. Sometimes even great shooters struggle, let alone really good ones like Niang. Seems to me if he's going to expand his offensive game he'd better get in shape for it, otherwise we should be able to adjust our offense so Niang trying to create isn't our only option. Let him space and shoot. Get him in more 4 and 5 man out lineups that JBB struggled to field.

6'5" Okoro at PF? No thanks.

Hopefully Lauri extends this week so the Cavs can do whatever with Okoro. I still don't understand why they wouldn't fill any of their 2 way spots yet, those have zero cap implications.

The Cavs may not have decided who of the collection of Bates/Travers/Nance/IMobley/??? will get 2-ways and who might get a full roster spot. That may depend on seeing Travers healthy as opposed to with his bum hamstring. That might require time from Kenny Atkinson that he doesn't have while he's on the French national team's coaching staff. That might require I.Mobley continuing to figure out what his next steps in basketball are going to be. That might be something determined in camp. Bates might not want to play on a two-way again and thus has a two-way offer that he hasn't signed.

I would say that there's a scenario where there's optionality for all of those guys to end up either on the full roster or not making a two-way depending on Okoro, Morris, TT, etc.

[JonFromVA]

Not sure I like the idea of giving a team with Banchero and Wagner an entire series to figure out what to do with Okoro and Strus. The Cavs need another big besides Wade.

I'm not talking about making Isaac our starting PF, just an option we could go to more in lieu of Niang when he or whoever we can sign is not giving us anything

As far has how things would play out, that's always tbd, but Paulo isn't the only player in the league who's going to get frustrated by a defender with strength/leverage combined with the ability to fight through screens and stay in front of them.

If those guys want to resort to trying to shoot midrange shots with Isaac's hand in their eye, that's going to be a win for us *if* we haven't bogged down our own offense.

[jbk1234]

Not sure I like the idea of giving a team with Banchero and Wagner an entire series to figure out what to do with Okoro and Strus. The Cavs need another big besides Wade.

I'm not talking about making Isaac our starting PF, just an option we could go to more in lieu of Niang when he or whoever we can sign is not giving us anything

As far has how things would play out, that's always tbd, but Paulo isn't the only player in the league who's going to get frustrated by a defender with strength/leverage combined with the ability to fight through screens and stay in front of them.

If those guys want to resort to trying to shoot midrange shots with Isaac's hand in their eye, that's going to be a win for us *if* we haven't bogged down our own offense.

Jtbc, Okoro scored 8 points in game 7. The reality is Strus was on Wagner who went 1-15 in Game 7. Banchero went 10-28 for 38 points to go along with 16 rebounds.

It's just that Morris and Niang were pretty much unplayable in that series.

[JonFromVA]

Not sure I like the idea of giving a team with Banchero and Wagner an entire series to figure out what to do with Okoro and Strus. The Cavs need another big besides Wade.

I'm not talking about making Isaac our starting PF, just an option we could go to more in lieu of Niang when he or whoever we can sign is not giving us anything

As far has how things would play out, that's always tbd, but Paulo isn't the only player in the league who's going to get frustrated by a defender with strength/leverage combined with the ability to fight through screens and stay in front of them.

If those guys want to resort to trying to shoot midrange shots with Isaac's hand in their eye, that's going to be a win for us *if* we haven't bogged down our own offense.

Jtbc, Okoro scored 8 points in game 7. The reality is Strus was on Wagner who went 1-15 in Game 7. Banchero went 10-28 for 38 points to go along with 16 rebounds.

It's just that Morris and Niang were pretty much unplayable in that series.

Why didn't you mention Banchero was -7 in game 7 while Isaac led the Cavs with a +24?

And while Paolo got to the line 16 times, it's hard to lay that on Isaac when he only committed 2 fouls in the game.

Clearly what Isaac was doing was working, you shouldn't assume Banchero is going to figure him out just because he's bigger and taller. Isaac can adjust and adapt too.

[JujitsuFlip]

Not sure I like the idea of giving a team with Banchero and Wagner an entire series to figure out what to do with Okoro and Strus. The Cavs need another big besides Wade.

I'm not talking about making Isaac our starting PF, just an option we could go to more in lieu of Niang when he or whoever we can sign is not giving us anything

As far has how things would play out, that's always tbd, but Paulo isn't the only player in the league who's going to get frustrated by a defender with strength/leverage combined with the ability to fight through screens and stay in front of them.

If those guys want to resort to trying to shoot midrange shots with Isaac's hand in their eye, that's going to be a win for us *if* we haven't bogged down our own offense.

Probably hand in their sternum but yeah lol

[JujitsuFlip]

Too bad Isaac's contract situation isn't settled, maybe we'd have his workouts focused on him playing more minutes at PF.

Personally, I have my fingers crossed that Niang bounces back. Sometimes even great shooters struggle, let alone really good ones like Niang. Seems to me if he's going to expand his offensive game he'd better get in shape for it, otherwise we should be able to adjust our offense so Niang trying to create isn't our only option. Let him space and shoot. Get him in more 4 and 5 man out lineups that JBB struggled to field.

6'5" Okoro at PF? No thanks.

Hopefully Lauri extends this week so the Cavs can do whatever with Okoro. I still don't understand why they wouldn't fill any of their 2 way spots yet, those have zero cap implications.

The Cavs may not have decided who of the collection of Bates/Travers/Nance/IMobley/??? will get 2-ways and who might get a full roster spot. That may depend on seeing Travers healthy as opposed to with his bum hamstring. That might require time from Kenny Atkinson that he doesn't have while he's on the French national team's coaching staff. That might require I.Mobley continuing to figure out what his next steps in basketball are going to be. That might be something determined in camp. Bates might not want to play on a two-way again and thus has a two-way offer that he hasn't signed.

I would say that there's a scenario where there's optionality for all of those guys to end up either on the full roster or not making a two-way depending on Okoro, Morris, TT, etc.

You can convert 2ways to standard deals, so i don't think i understand the delay.

Okoro is the real sticking point.

[toooskies]

6'5" Okoro at PF? No thanks.

Hopefully Lauri extends this week so the Cavs can do whatever with Okoro. I still don't understand why they wouldn't fill any of their 2 way spots yet, those have zero cap implications.

The Cavs may not have decided who of the collection of Bates/Travers/Nance/IMobley/??? will get 2-ways and who might get a full roster spot. That may depend on seeing Travers healthy as opposed to with his bum hamstring. That might require time from Kenny Atkinson that he doesn't have while he's on the French national team's coaching staff. That might require I.Mobley continuing to figure out what his next steps in basketball are going to be. That might be something determined in camp. Bates might not want to play on a two-way again and thus has a two-way offer that he hasn't signed.

I would say that there's a scenario where there's optionality for all of those guys to end up either on the full roster or not making a two-way depending on Okoro, Morris, TT, etc.

You can convert 2ways to standard deals, so i don't think i understand the delay.

Okoro is the real sticking point.

Yes, but Okoro is not the only sticking point. I think the head coach having commitments in France is a big factor too. And no one earned a contract in Summer League.

Bates might be waiting for Okoro to take Cleveland's tax room so he can get a Ty Jerome deal from the Pistons if the Cavs want him on a two-way again.

Isaiah Mobley is looking for opportunity as well but may settle for a two-way in Cleveland again if no one else is interested. And given no one else wanted him for their summer league team, I'd bet that's likely.

[toooskies]

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[JujitsuFlip]

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Wonder if Cavs trade his rights, release his rights, sign him to a 2-way, or sign him to a standard deal.

[JonFromVA]

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Wonder if Cavs trade his rights, release his rights, sign him to a 2-way, or sign him to a standard deal.

I'd hope they'd at least bring him in to training camp and let him play in preseason before just releasing him. I'm not sure he'd be more than a throw in as far as trade value goes. He seems headed for a 2-way slot.

[jbk1234]

Is Travers more impactful than Cedi? Somewhat different skill sets, and I get that he had a bad hamstring in SL, but he really looked a half step slow against the better competition.

[JujitsuFlip]

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Wonder if Cavs trade his rights, release his rights, sign him to a 2-way, or sign him to a standard deal.

I'd hope they'd at least bring him in to training camp and let him play in preseason before just releasing him. I'm not sure he'd be more than a throw in as far as trade value goes. He seems headed for a 2-way slot.

Agreed, the wording of the release is just odd. Says he's coming to the NBA but the Cavs exclusively have his rights so it's like if he's not coming over with the Cavs, then how?

[jbk1234]

Lauri signed so the last of the MLE+ capspace teams are off the board.

[Wisedude]

The rights to Travers will either be traded (maybe in a package with Okoro) or he signs some kind of contract with the Cavs.

[JujitsuFlip]

Lauri signed so the last of the MLE+ capspace teams are off the board.

$47.6 million AAV, that man got paid!

Thankfully that domino finally fell. Should see the Okoro situation resolved soon.

[JonFromVA]

Lauri signed so the last of the MLE+ capspace teams are off the board.

$47.6 million AAV, that man got paid!

Thankfully that domino finally fell. Should see the Okoro situation resolved soon.

Which opens up a huge what-if we'd been able to hold on to Lauri and sent someone else to the Jazz in the Mitchell trade. Would he have still broken out under Bickerstaff? If so, how would we make his salary fit our plans?

At least, we'd have an asset we could trade...