Kessler & Markkanen to the Pacers

[Scoot McGroot]

That Siakam return spoiled y’all.

Not a single Pacers fan has posted in this thread….

OP is a Lakers fan

Who cares the trade still spoiled you. Great trade for the Pacers. Gave up next to nothing for him unless the 2026 pick is top 15 somehow and that’s unlikely.

Huh? Wild bud. You think it spoiled us because we think this isn’t enough for Markkanen? Ok?

Indy Gave up 3 1sts to risk free agency on Siakam and give him a full 30% max for 4 years at age 30. Toronto got 3 1sts (even if relatively low value picks) and potential cap savings (though they opted into Bruce Browns contract) while not potentially losing Siakam for nothing. Seems like it’s fine both ways. Benefits and risks for both teams.

[Boneman2]

That Siakam return spoiled y’all.

Not a single Pacers fan has posted in this thread….

OP is a Lakers fan

Who cares the trade still spoiled you. Great trade for the Pacers. Gave up next to nothing for him unless the 2026 pick is top 15 somehow and that’s unlikely.

Yeah, it was a great trade for Indy. Obviously, as Scoot pointed out, it didn’t become great until he re-signed. The fact Pascal preferred coming to Indy was obviously enough of an indicator to the Pacers front office to pull the trigger. This also hindered Masai’s leverage.

[wegotthabeet]

Not a single Pacers fan has posted in this thread….

OP is a Lakers fan

Who cares the trade still spoiled you. Great trade for the Pacers. Gave up next to nothing for him unless the 2026 pick is top 15 somehow and that’s unlikely.

Huh? Wild bud. You think it spoiled us because we think this isn’t enough for Markkanen? Ok?

Indy Gave up 3 1sts to risk free agency on Siakam and give him a full 30% max for 4 years at age 30. Toronto got 3 1sts (even if relatively low value picks) and potential cap savings (though they opted into Bruce Browns contract) while not potentially losing Siakam for nothing. Seems like it’s fine both ways. Benefits and risks for both teams.

no i think you got a guy in Siakam for three low picks and no prospects. which is fine given they waited until the last minute to trade him, but let's not pretend that he was a risk to walk.

the Raptors did good by him and OG and traded them to where they wanted to go. knowing he was a lock to re-sign should have netted the Raptors a better return. at least one of the young upside guys would've been fair + the picks. one of Nembhard, Mathurin, Nesmith or Walker should have been included.

i don't know if you expect to get Lauri for the same bag of low quality assets, but you shouldn't. it was a 50 cent on the dollar type trade.

[wegotthabeet]

Not a single Pacers fan has posted in this thread….

OP is a Lakers fan

Who cares the trade still spoiled you. Great trade for the Pacers. Gave up next to nothing for him unless the 2026 pick is top 15 somehow and that’s unlikely.

Yeah, it was a great trade for Indy. Obviously, as Scoot pointed out, it didn’t become great until he re-signed. The fact Pascal preferred coming to Indy was obviously enough of an indicator to the Pacers front office to pull the trigger. This also hindered Masai’s leverage.

it should have netted the Raptors more via trade, not less. there was a 0% chance he walked this summer. the return he got was as if he was a risk to not re-sign, which he wasn't. he wasn't a rental, but got that type of return.

[Scoot McGroot]

Who cares the trade still spoiled you. Great trade for the Pacers. Gave up next to nothing for him unless the 2026 pick is top 15 somehow and that’s unlikely.

Huh? Wild bud. You think it spoiled us because we think this isn’t enough for Markkanen? Ok?

Indy Gave up 3 1sts to risk free agency on Siakam and give him a full 30% max for 4 years at age 30. Toronto got 3 1sts (even if relatively low value picks) and potential cap savings (though they opted into Bruce Browns contract) while not potentially losing Siakam for nothing. Seems like it’s fine both ways. Benefits and risks for both teams.

no i think you got a guy in Siakam for three low picks and no prospects. which is fine given they waited until the last minute to trade him, but let's not pretend that he was a risk to walk.

He was absolutely a risk to walk for either team that wasn’t willing to max him.

the Raptors did good by him and OG and traded them to where they wanted to go. knowing he was a lock to re-sign should have netted the Raptors a better return. at least one of the young upside guys would've been fair + the picks. one of Nembhard, Mathurin, Nesmith or Walker should have been included.

If Masai had hinted he MIGHT max Siakam at years end, I bet you could’ve gotten something better. But, Toronto made it clear they weren’t maxing him, and he made it clear he wasn’t extending for less, and it all happened quite publicly for both sides.

i don't know if you expect to get Lauri for the same bag of low quality assets, but you shouldn't. it was a 50 cent on the dollar type trade.

Bud, it was a Lakers fan that posted the thread. And pacers fans that have posted here are clear this isn’t near,y enough for Markkanen. We don’t expect to get Lauri for some “bag of low quality assets” and didn’t ever post as if we should. Don’t project that on us.

[wegotthabeet]

Huh? Wild bud. You think it spoiled us because we think this isn’t enough for Markkanen? Ok?

Indy Gave up 3 1sts to risk free agency on Siakam and give him a full 30% max for 4 years at age 30. Toronto got 3 1sts (even if relatively low value picks) and potential cap savings (though they opted into Bruce Browns contract) while not potentially losing Siakam for nothing. Seems like it’s fine both ways. Benefits and risks for both teams.

no i think you got a guy in Siakam for three low picks and no prospects. which is fine given they waited until the last minute to trade him, but let's not pretend that he was a risk to walk.

He was absolutely a risk to walk for either team that wasn’t willing to max him.

the Raptors did good by him and OG and traded them to where they wanted to go. knowing he was a lock to re-sign should have netted the Raptors a better return. at least one of the young upside guys would've been fair + the picks. one of Nembhard, Mathurin, Nesmith or Walker should have been included.

If Masai had hinted he MIGHT max Siakam at years end, I bet you could’ve gotten something better. But, Toronto made it clear they weren’t maxing him, and he made it clear he wasn’t extending for less, and it all happened quite publicly for both sides.

i don't know if you expect to get Lauri for the same bag of low quality assets, but you shouldn't. it was a 50 cent on the dollar type trade.

Bud, it was a Lakers fan that posted the thread. And pacers fans that have posted here are clear this isn’t near,y enough for Markkanen. We don’t expect to get Lauri for some “bag of low quality assets” and didn’t ever post as if we should. Don’t project that on us.

nah he really wasn't a risk to walk, but keep telling yourself that that was the case.

of course the Pacers were willing to max him, that's part of the reason why he wanted to go there.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think Mathurian and Jarace as the meat of a deal for Lauri is good for both sides.

IND adding Lauri becomes the 2nd best team in the East IMO. This is a freaking squad -

G - Tyrese Haliburton / TJ McConnell / Tristen Newton
G - Andrew Nembhard / Ben Sheppard / Aaron Nesmith
F - Lauri Markkanen / Aaron Nesmith / Kendall Brown
F - Pascal Siakiam / Obi Toppin / James Johnson / Johnny Furphy
C - Myles Turner / Isaiah Jackson / Obi Toppin / James Wiseman

Thats the only team in the East I could see beating Boston.

[Scoot McGroot]

no i think you got a guy in Siakam for three low picks and no prospects. which is fine given they waited until the last minute to trade him, but let's not pretend that he was a risk to walk.

He was absolutely a risk to walk for either team that wasn’t willing to max him.

the Raptors did good by him and OG and traded them to where they wanted to go. knowing he was a lock to re-sign should have netted the Raptors a better return. at least one of the young upside guys would've been fair + the picks. one of Nembhard, Mathurin, Nesmith or Walker should have been included.

If Masai had hinted he MIGHT max Siakam at years end, I bet you could’ve gotten something better. But, Toronto made it clear they weren’t maxing him, and he made it clear he wasn’t extending for less, and it all happened quite publicly for both sides.

i don't know if you expect to get Lauri for the same bag of low quality assets, but you shouldn't. it was a 50 cent on the dollar type trade.

Bud, it was a Lakers fan that posted the thread. And pacers fans that have posted here are clear this isn’t near,y enough for Markkanen. We don’t expect to get Lauri for some “bag of low quality assets” and didn’t ever post as if we should. Don’t project that on us.

nah he really wasn't a risk to walk, but keep telling yourself that that was the case.

of course the Pacers were willing to max him, that's part of the reason why he wanted to go there.

Maybe so, but Siakam could have still decided to walk if he didn’t like his time in Indy. It was a tryout for both, I’m sure.

So really, are you just mad at Masai for wanting to pay Siakam less, and pushing him out? That’s really all it sounds like you’re upset about.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think Mathurian and Jarace as the meat of a deal for Lauri is good for both sides.

IND adding Lauri becomes the 2nd best team in the East IMO. This is a freaking squad -

G - Tyrese Haliburton / TJ McConnell / Tristen Newton
G - Andrew Nembhard / Ben Sheppard / Aaron Nesmith
F - Lauri Markkanen / Aaron Nesmith / Kendall Brown
F - Pascal Siakiam / Obi Toppin / James Johnson / Johnny Furphy
C - Myles Turner / Isaiah Jackson / Obi Toppin / James Wiseman

Thats the only team in the East I could see beating Boston.

It’s a one year run, right? Because 3 guys getting 30% maxes, McConnell, Myles, and Jackson expiring and needing new deals, and either McConnell or Nesmith needing to go in that deal for salary matching purposes likely means it’s a super thin team, and one that’s either losing super important parts, or is going to be well over the second apron next year.

I can’t imagine that Indy will consider paying what’s necessary to acquire Markkanen and going so deep in the tax. They haven’t paid the tax since Reggie.

[wegotthabeet]

He was absolutely a risk to walk for either team that wasn’t willing to max him.




If Masai had hinted he MIGHT max Siakam at years end, I bet you could’ve gotten something better. But, Toronto made it clear they weren’t maxing him, and he made it clear he wasn’t extending for less, and it all happened quite publicly for both sides.


Bud, it was a Lakers fan that posted the thread. And pacers fans that have posted here are clear this isn’t near,y enough for Markkanen. We don’t expect to get Lauri for some “bag of low quality assets” and didn’t ever post as if we should. Don’t project that on us.

nah he really wasn't a risk to walk, but keep telling yourself that that was the case.

of course the Pacers were willing to max him, that's part of the reason why he wanted to go there.

Maybe so, but Siakam could have still decided to walk if he didn’t like his time in Indy. It was a tryout for both, I’m sure.

So really, are you just mad at Masai for wanting to pay Siakam less, and pushing him out? That’s really all it sounds like you’re upset about.

If it were up to me I would have traded him two years earlier. Hard to accept the garbage return he got when compared to someone like Sabonis. However it is what it is. He should be great for the Pacers.