Markkanen signing long-term extension (untradeable this season)

[Drakeem]

I really don't see how Podz was a dealbreaker.

I know on the trade board sometimes fans get attached to their rookies. And it gets a bit fanatical. This is understandable for a fan. But, for GMs??

Podziemski? Really? This guy?

I think this reminds me of when the Lakers thought THT was going to be a building block of the future.

Yeah, this is confusing me. Getting Lauri while keeping Kuminga seems like it was the goal.

GS really likes holding onto their young players even though the direction they say they're trying to go for says otherwise. This two timelines thing has run its course.

[Catchall]

Warriors should tank.

[HadAnEffectHere]

What from the past 2 years makes you think you’ll end up bottom 5? In the last 2 years you’ve had to tank just to get into the bottom 10. The only way you’ve been able to effectively tank the past 2 years has been by shutting Markkanen down. The terrible teams are going to be terrible out of the gate and you won’t be able to catch them through late season tanking. We’ve seen this story before: Markkanen + good coaching gives you some level of competence. Is Markkanen going to agree to shut it down after 40 games, because that’s what you’ll need to do.

Since trading Mitchell/Gobert, Jazz have finished with 37 and 31 wins. Not good obviously but far from bottom 5. They are returning with a similar team. I think there is a clear bottom 4 in Portland, Nets, Pistons and Wizards. Utah could get bottom 5 but it's not guaranteed since there will be a lot of competition.

Just wait and see, it is not the same team without Olynyk and Dunn - it is a lot worse.

You have to assume that Keyonte George and Taylor Hendricks will continue to be two of the absolute worst players in the NBA for the Jazz to be awful.

Otherwise, the Jazz will be giving most of their minutes to Markkanen (great), Sexton (good), Kessler (good), Hendricks, and George with Collins off the bench where he shouldn't be as bad as he was as a starter. Jordan Clarkson is toast and will get a lot of minutes and make them a lot worse and Sensabaugh and Cody Williams should play pretty horrible basketball this year, but that's like 50-65 bad minutes in the entire rotation if Hendricks and Keyonte are NBA caliber this year.

And if they aren't, that's really really bad for the Jazz.

[HotelVitale]

that's what you got from my post?

Pretty much, especially when the argument is the Jazz need to suck it up for Cooper Flagg. Luck is the only way the Jazz are getting him.

The issue is that any rebuilding team needs to be really bad for years and years and years at this point to get a high level prospect on average. And this extended period of tanking seems non-viable given Markkanen's age. The Jazz are entering year 3 of tanking with him in his prime and have come out with 0 high level prospects in the first two years.

Like, let's say the Jazz don't get a good prospect this year... Are Markkanen and ownership and the front office etc okay tanking again? What if again they don't get a good prospect in 2026? Would they tank for a 5th year?

Any attempt to get a high level prospect through the draft should assume it will take 3-4 years of heavy losing on average. Are Markkanen and everyone else willing to take 3-4 more years of heavy losing?

It's an odd spot to be in but not sure it's that deep. If there are 4 top-level prospects this year then every team who's bottom-5 this year will have a 40-50% chance at them. Teams just have to decide if that's worthwhile. If they don't get one of those guys, then yeah they maybe have to decide all over again if they want to trade Markannen etc. If they do get one of those guys, maybe the team direction it set for like 8 years.

Either way they're not actually committing to having Markannen for the whole contract, nor does being bad again for one year mean they're stuck doing that forever.

[DorO]

Since trading Mitchell/Gobert, Jazz have finished with 37 and 31 wins. Not good obviously but far from bottom 5. They are returning with a similar team. I think there is a clear bottom 4 in Portland, Nets, Pistons and Wizards. Utah could get bottom 5 but it's not guaranteed since there will be a lot of competition.

Just wait and see, it is not the same team without Olynyk and Dunn - it is a lot worse.

You have to assume that Keyonte George and Taylor Hendricks will continue to be two of the absolute worst players in the NBA for the Jazz to be awful.

Otherwise, the Jazz will be giving most of their minutes to Markkanen (great), Sexton (good), Kessler (good), Hendricks, and George with Collins off the bench where he shouldn't be as bad as he was as a starter. Jordan Clarkson is toast and will get a lot of minutes and make them a lot worse and Sensabaugh and Cody Williams should play pretty horrible basketball this year, but that's like 50-65 bad minutes in the entire rotation if Hendricks and Keyonte are NBA caliber this year.

And if they aren't, that's really really bad for the Jazz.

George may be next Clarkson but I think for little I have seen that Hendricks has a long way to become a player in NBA rotation.

[Hugi Mancura]

Utah will be bad even with Markkanen. Bottom 2 in west with Portland and bottom 7 in whole NBA. Gotta also remember there are lot of bottom teams in east, so eastern bottom team will play lot against each other and thus getting extra wins. Markkanen is also quite injury prone, so when ever he gets even a small injury Utah will just sit him. They have lost Dunn, Olynyk and even Fontechhio who all were positive players last year and they are replaced by 3 rookies. So even if some of the young players will give positive or will develop from last year, this years team will most likely be lousier than they were last year. I expect something like 20-25 wins and that is the amount of wins if Markkanen plays all the games, which he won't.

If Sexton, Clarkson or Collins will have a good year, then they just trade them for second round picks.

If they win in lottery, then they will keep Markkanen for next 4 years, but if they get unlucky I do think they can get something out of Markkanen in a trade, even if his numbers would go down.

[Jadoogar]

I'm not really getting Utah's plan here.

The whole point of getting all of these first round picks were to rebuild quickly through the draft. Keeping Lauri stops them from at the very least being a bottom feeder team, so they can't get higher draft picks through themselves. They'll get the lottery, but I doubt they manage anything in the top five. Minnesota has found their groove and looks like they'll be a top team for years to come. And Cleveland locked up their core four on long term deals. Baring any unforeseen circumstances, I don't see a path for Utah to truly build themselves through the draft in the same matter that OKC did.

Top 5 picks are really important. That have catapulted the Pistons into contenders.

They certainly helped the Celtics, Grizzlies, Magic, Cavs, Wolves, Mavericks, and Sixers.
But yes, let's focus on the Pistons.

[Dan Z]

Why can't he be traded this season (with the extension)?

[Jadoogar]

Why can't he be traded this season (with the extension)?

can't be traded for 6 months after the extension. Signing the extension now would take him past the trade deadline in 2025

[Catchall]

Why can't he be traded this season (with the extension)?

Upon signing the extension, Lauri cannot be traded for 6 months. The trade deadline is Feb. 6. If Lauri waits until tomorrow (Aug. 7) to sign, he's ineligible to be traded this season.

[brackdan70]

Why can't he be traded this season (with the extension)?

Rules of the CBA. Can’t be traded for 6 months after signing an extension.

[Dan Z]

Why can't he be traded this season (with the extension)?

can't be traded for 6 months after the extension. Signing the extension now would take him past the trade deadline in 2025

Why didn't they sign him to an extension a few months ago? Did NBA rules say they couldn't?

That seems silly to me.

[Hangtime84]

Get your money Lauri, but boy do I want to see this guy actually playing for something meaningful on a playoff contender.

His agent wants him to be featured and paid like one. Lauri in Utah is perfect for them both the organization and the player

[brackdan70]

Why can't he be traded this season (with the extension)?

can't be traded for 6 months after the extension. Signing the extension now would take him past the trade deadline in 2025

Why didn't they sign him to an extension a few months ago? Did NBA rules say they couldn't?

That seems silly to me.

Google NBA CBA. You can find it and read it.
In general, Players become eligible for extensions based on when they signed their contract.

[zimpy27]

Cool Utah, have fun gunning for the 11 seed.

See you there!

Can't even be mad, that's great

[Rockazoids]

Interesting background. Some in the league saw Lauri as potentially the top FA next summer.

Read on Twitter

I feel like that's all Lauri wanted was the biggest bag he could get. Hope he take's some of that $40 M per year and spend it
on a defensive coach/trainer. I wouldn't want to pay someone that much to tank.

[One_and_Done]

But I was told by the geniuses here that Ainge's trade demands were nuts and that Lauri would become an unrestricted FA next year because of...uh, reasons.

You were told Ainge's trade demands were nuts, and this is evidence of that fact. No other team traded for him. I don't think there was ever a chance of him going unrestricted, all the buzz was to the opposite effect. Not sure who told you that part, but they were clearly always offbase

[madmaxmedia]

TBH the best case scenario of all for the Jazz is to be relatively mediocre but get lucky in the lottery. They get a good enough prospect, I feel they would then just keep Lauri to play with him. I'd then rather keep Lauri than trade him for future 1sts that won't convey for years. If the deal is in the 5/$200M range that's a pretty good value for the team. If you could also dump Collins and Clarkson for expiring, then you might also have some cap space to add another significant player next offseason?

The drag it out (if not necessarily worst case) scenario is they get a lower draft pick that doesn't add anything substantial, trade Lauri next offseason for mainly future assets, then have to tank yet again. That's just depressing for a fan of the team (not criticizing the team though.)

[Iwasawitness]

Top 5 picks are really important. That have catapulted the Pistons into contenders.

Are you saying the Jazz have people running the show as incompetent as the ones in Detroit?

No, because they aren't relying on the lottery to be the savior of the team, thank god.

It sure as hell looks like that’s the case. And even if it’s not, again, I still don’t see what their long term plan is here.

I did see one poster mention that they might try to trade those picks later down the road for better players, but even that plan is pretty much out the window as a legitimate possibility. Again, those Minnesota and Cleveland picks more than likely aren’t going in the lottery. They aren’t going to have much value anymore. I can remember seeing people claim Minnesota and Cleveland got fleeced… but I’m starting to think that’s not the case anymore. I’m starting to think Angie misjudged the situation and assumed it would turn out like how it did for Boston. I don’t think there’s any path to that scenario anymore.

[CobraCommander]

Cool Utah, have fun gunning for the 11 seed.

Don’t give up an asset to Make your enemies better and you weaker - They will trade him for the right price but they cool keeping him another year and building around him where they can -

What’s wrong with this ?