Ingram to Utah (w/BRK)

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Re: Ingram to Utah (w/BRK) 

Post#41 » by zimpy27 » Wed Aug 7, 2024 1:27 am

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zimpy27 wrote:Jazz have a max player for 5 seasons in Lauri.

If they can find a star on a rookie deal (for 4 years) then they can bring in overpaid talent like Ingram and have a legit big 3 in 25-26 season.

If Jazz take Ingram now then they commit themselves to mediocrity. It just doesn't make sense.

I agree that it doesn't really make sense with Flagg (and 4-5 other elite prospects) in this next draft. Unless they really go full load-management with Lauri and Ingram, and/or it's a pure value grab by hoping to flip Ingram at the deadline for more assets.

Unless some surprise team emerges like you said, it very well could be a Siakam situation where Pels take Ingram into the season and flip him and settle for best offer, which will be low at that point.


Yeah it doesn't fit. The fact that we are getting rumours of Jazz interest in Ingram before they've officially extended Lauri, it makes me think that they are just trying to get a last minute offer.

Ingram most likely gets kept and traded in season as you say happened with Siakam.


I think Lakers should have interest in Ingram for a few reasons:
- They likely need to trade DLo for an upgrade but they can't lose his playmaking without getting playmaking back.
- Ingram would fit well with Reaves, LeBron, Rui, Davis.
- Ingram was very popular on the Lakers and hated leaving LA of all the players that were traded for Davis.
- Redick already has a great relationship with Ingram.
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Re: Ingram to Utah (w/BRK) 

Post#42 » by YayBasketball » Wed Aug 7, 2024 3:20 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Yeah it doesn't fit. The fact that we are getting rumours of Jazz interest in Ingram before they've officially extended Lauri, it makes me think that they are just trying to get a last minute offer.

Ingram most likely gets kept and traded in season as you say happened with Siakam.


I think Lakers should have interest in Ingram for a few reasons:
- They likely need to trade DLo for an upgrade but they can't lose his playmaking without getting playmaking back.
- Ingram would fit well with Reaves, LeBron, Rui, Davis.
- Ingram was very popular on the Lakers and hated leaving LA of all the players that were traded for Davis.
- Redick already has a great relationship with Ingram.

Hmm yea, the LAL fit could be interesting. A few sticking points though--
-I don't think Ingram liked being in LeBron's shadow.
-And is Ingram a good fit with him, considering he's not great off-ball?
-What 3rd team is giving a good Center to the Pels for DLo, and which LAL picks are being attached to him (and Vincent/Vando for salary matching)?
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Re: Ingram to Utah (w/BRK) 

Post#43 » by babyjax13 » Wed Aug 7, 2024 3:36 am

YayBasketball wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Yeah it doesn't fit. The fact that we are getting rumours of Jazz interest in Ingram before they've officially extended Lauri, it makes me think that they are just trying to get a last minute offer.

Ingram most likely gets kept and traded in season as you say happened with Siakam.


I think Lakers should have interest in Ingram for a few reasons:
- They likely need to trade DLo for an upgrade but they can't lose his playmaking without getting playmaking back.
- Ingram would fit well with Reaves, LeBron, Rui, Davis.
- Ingram was very popular on the Lakers and hated leaving LA of all the players that were traded for Davis.
- Redick already has a great relationship with Ingram.

Hmm yea, the LAL fit could be interesting. A few sticking points though--
-I don't think Ingram liked being in LeBron's shadow.
-And is Ingram a good fit with him, considering he's not great off-ball?
-What 3rd team is giving a good Center to the Pels for DLo, and which LAL picks are being attached to him (and Vincent/Vando for salary matching)?

I have to imagine Toronto would do Poeltl for filler and a first (Vincent/Vanderbilt/1st?). Vanderbilt is actually a good player that could be flipped for a second or two or just kept. If New Orleans is interested in Ayton for some reason, DLo + Vincent is probably enough to get him and the pick value can go to New Orleans.
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Re: Ingram to Utah (w/BRK) 

Post#44 » by YayBasketball » Wed Aug 7, 2024 3:56 am

babyjax13 wrote:I have to imagine Toronto would do Poeltl for filler and a first (Vincent/Vanderbilt/1st?). Vanderbilt is actually a good player that could be flipped for a second or two or just kept. If New Orleans is interested in Ayton for some reason, DLo + Vincent is probably enough to get him and the pick value can go to New Orleans.

Poeltl is my weird top target C, even though he isn't great just solid all-around. I wonder how stubborn Griffin will be in his valuation of Ingram. He probably sees an average C like Poeltl as not enough, and what team is offering good pick value plus a solid player? I think he might stubbornly keep Ingram all the way through the season since he can't get a clear-win deal.
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Re: Ingram to Utah (w/BRK) 

Post#45 » by zimpy27 » Wed Aug 7, 2024 4:19 am

YayBasketball wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Yeah it doesn't fit. The fact that we are getting rumours of Jazz interest in Ingram before they've officially extended Lauri, it makes me think that they are just trying to get a last minute offer.

Ingram most likely gets kept and traded in season as you say happened with Siakam.


I think Lakers should have interest in Ingram for a few reasons:
- They likely need to trade DLo for an upgrade but they can't lose his playmaking without getting playmaking back.
- Ingram would fit well with Reaves, LeBron, Rui, Davis.
- Ingram was very popular on the Lakers and hated leaving LA of all the players that were traded for Davis.
- Redick already has a great relationship with Ingram.

Hmm yea, the LAL fit could be interesting. A few sticking points though--
-I don't think Ingram liked being in LeBron's shadow.
-And is Ingram a good fit with him, considering he's not great off-ball?
-What 3rd team is giving a good Center to the Pels for DLo, and which LAL picks are being attached to him (and Vincent/Vando for salary matching)?



He likes LeBron, he didn't like being in constant trade talks because he wanted to stay in LA. It definitely impacted him when he was a younger player.

DLo plays a lot on ball now, he'd just be taking over that same role. I don't think he takes much of a hit in role compared to playing with Zion and CJ. BI, Reaves, LeBron would be the 3 playmakers the team has, 2 on the court at all times.

Not sure exact trade but there are a few possibilities. I really just used Lakers as an example, but a few teams could fit Ingram.
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Re: Ingram to Utah (w/BRK) 

Post#46 » by YayBasketball » Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:10 am

Keep circling back to Ingram to UTA with BKN as 3rd team. But rather than the Bogdanavic and Schroeder expirings, Cam Johnson is my focus. Also, I think Ainge would hold on to Kessler, instead giving a 2nd late 1st to keep Kessler and dump Collins.

BKN gets:
Collins
Ryan (ung.)
'25 1st (worst of UTA-CLE-MIN, top-8 prot.) +
'26 1st (2nd worst of UTA-CLE-MIN, top-8 prot.)

UTA gets:
Ingram

NOP gets:
Cam Johnson
Sharpe
Sensabough

Nets get two 1sts for swapping CamJ/Sharpe for Collins. Tank it up.
Jazz take a chance on Ingram as buy-low star while keeping Kessler, can re-trade Ingram at deadline or load manage him until next offseason and negotiate a new contract or sign-and-trade.

Pels get a starting, development Center to help their group rotation, and lock in Cam Johnson as closing 5 3-n-D wing on multi-year decent contract, very re-tradeable if the right Center becomes available for Pels.

*some alterations could include Kessler, Alvarado, Hawkins, Schroeder, Matkovic, Milton, and Sharpe, Sensabaugh to different teams, different or less picks.
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Re: Ingram to Utah (w/BRK) 

Post#47 » by zimpy27 » Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:39 am

YayBasketball wrote:Keep circling back to Ingram to UTA with BKN as 3rd team. But rather than the Bogdanavic and Schroeder expirings, Cam Johnson is my focus. Also, I think Ainge would hold on to Kessler, instead giving a 2nd late 1st to keep Kessler and dump Collins.

BKN gets:
Collins
Ryan (ung.)
'25 1st (worst of UTA-CLE-MIN, top-8 prot.) +
'26 1st (2nd worst of UTA-CLE-MIN, top-8 prot.)

UTA gets:
Ingram

NOP gets:
Cam Johnson
Sharpe
Sensabough

Nets get two 1sts for swapping CamJ/Sharpe for Collins. Tank it up.
Jazz take a chance on Ingram as buy-low star while keeping Kessler, can re-trade Ingram at deadline or load manage him until next offseason and negotiate a new contract or sign-and-trade.

Pels get a starting, development Center to help their group rotation, and lock in Cam Johnson as closing 5 3-n-D wing on multi-year decent contract, very re-tradeable if the right Center becomes available for Pels.

*some alterations could include Kessler, Alvarado, Hawkins, Schroeder, Matkovic, Milton, and Sharpe, Sensabaugh to different teams, different or less picks.



Utah plan seems clear.

Lauri money dips in 2026 off-season, all non-rookie deals outside of Lauri expire in 2026 off-season.

Jazz want space in 2026 off-season. They plan to roll with current squad next couple seasons then go all in on the huge FA market in 26.
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Re: Ingram to Utah (w/BRK) 

Post#48 » by babyjax13 » Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:40 am

YayBasketball wrote:Keep circling back to Ingram to UTA with BKN as 3rd team. But rather than the Bogdanavic and Schroeder expirings, Cam Johnson is my focus. Also, I think Ainge would hold on to Kessler, instead giving a 2nd late 1st to keep Kessler and dump Collins.

BKN gets:
Collins
Ryan (ung.)
'25 1st (worst of UTA-CLE-MIN, top-8 prot.) +
'26 1st (2nd worst of UTA-CLE-MIN, top-8 prot.)

UTA gets:
Ingram

NOP gets:
Cam Johnson
Sharpe
Sensabough

Nets get two 1sts for swapping CamJ/Sharpe for Collins. Tank it up.
Jazz take a chance on Ingram as buy-low star while keeping Kessler, can re-trade Ingram at deadline or load manage him until next offseason and negotiate a new contract or sign-and-trade.

Pels get a starting, development Center to help their group rotation, and lock in Cam Johnson as closing 5 3-n-D wing on multi-year decent contract, very re-tradeable if the right Center becomes available for Pels.

*some alterations could include Kessler, Alvarado, Hawkins, Schroeder, Matkovic, Milton, and Sharpe, Sensabaugh to different teams, different or less picks.

Utah only has swaps in 2026, not additional picks.
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Re: Ingram to Utah (w/BRK) 

Post#49 » by YayBasketball » Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:10 am

zimpy27 wrote:Utah plan seems clear.

Lauri money dips in 2026 off-season, all non-rookie deals outside of Lauri expire in 2026 off-season.

Jazz want space in 2026 off-season. They plan to roll with current squad next couple seasons then go all in on the huge FA market in 26.

Hmm, makes sense. But tanking "rebuilding" for 4 straight seasons is a lot to ask for a fan base. And can we really say that the plan for an Ainge led team is clear? I don't think people foresaw them suddenly trading Mitchell and Gobert in a full tear-down.
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Re: Ingram to Utah (w/BRK) 

Post#50 » by YayBasketball » Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:12 am

babyjax13 wrote:Utah only has swaps in 2026, not additional picks.

Ah, thanks. Fanspo pick data can be muddled. That would change the framework for sure.

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