2024 Paris Olympics General (non-Basketball/Track & Field) Discussion Thread

[Mavrelous]

It's invalidated by the fact that it has been banned by the IOC for lack of transparency and corruption, as well.
Only a Putin fan could consider that credible, as anything coming out of Russia (yes, the guy moved the operations to Russia and Gazprom Is the main sponsor).

Yeah, that's very mature and rational approach.

I can't imagine anything more rational than just not believing anything coming out of Russia.
It might be false or true, who knows? Just it can't be used as a source.

This is about the IBA Vs IOC, you inserted Russia into this and disqualified president statement by association, not only that, you proceeded to call me a Putin fan, you clearly are abscessed with Russia for some reason, don't drag me or the subject matter into this, FWIW, I have Putin as war criminal who should burn at the stake if it makes you feel any better.

[Slacktard]

Yeah, that's very mature and rational approach.

I can't imagine anything more rational than just not believing anything coming out of Russia.
It might be false or true, who knows? Just it can't be used as a source.

This is about the IBA Vs IOC, you inserted Russia into this and disqualified president statement by association, not only that, you proceeded to call me a Putin fan, you clearly are abscessed with Russia for some reason, don't drag me or the subject matter into this, FWIW, I have Putin as war criminal who should burn at the stake if it makes you feel any better.

I'm not going to tie you personally into views on Russia, but in terms of inserting Russia into this. Russia was already inserted as a major point of contention for the IBA/IOC conflict already.

The IBA used to be called the AIBA and in the past 15 years had multiple Presidents linked to scandals. The previous President before the current Russian was an Uzbeki who had tied to organized crime an drug trafficking. The current Russian head (Kremlev) has been in charge since 2020. During his tenure the name was changed to IBA, an investigation uncovered matches that had been 'fixed' in gratitude towards sponsors and their countries. The organization racked up debts and then moved their headquarters to Moscow. The Russian-government owned Gazprom (national energy company) became a sponsor and paid off all the debts.

Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine (or rather 'resumed' their invasion since they already occupied Crimea) and the ties between the IBA head (Kremlev) and support of Russia only grew. The organization became a way to further Putin's agenda and strike back at foreign countries. Ukraine's boxing association was banned from the IBA. In response in the World Championships last year many countries including USA, Great Britain, France, Canada, etc... all refused to participate in the IBA World Championships.

There was an attempt to replace Kremlev or reduce his power, but he and his allies re-wrote the bylaws governing the IBA charter in order to quell that.

Those countries that boycotted then started and formed a new boxing federation for amateur boxing simply called "World Boxing" and it now has around 3 dozen countries with their boxing organization now supporting it as the amateur boxing federation for worldwide.

So when someone raises suspicions as the motives and agendas of someone running the IBA who has shown to be a puppet of Putin and using the organization to carry out retribution against countries punishing Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it was already something brought up by the IOC and other countries for well over a year.

[Mavrelous]

I can't imagine anything more rational than just not believing anything coming out of Russia.
It might be false or true, who knows? Just it can't be used as a source.

This is about the IBA Vs IOC, you inserted Russia into this and disqualified president statement by association, not only that, you proceeded to call me a Putin fan, you clearly are abscessed with Russia for some reason, don't drag me or the subject matter into this, FWIW, I have Putin as war criminal who should burn at the stake if it makes you feel any better.

I'm not going to tie you personally into views on Russia, but in terms of inserting Russia into this. Russia was already inserted as a major point of contention for the IBA/IOC conflict already.

The IBA used to be called the AIBA and in the past 15 years had multiple Presidents linked to scandals. The previous President before the current Russian was an Uzbeki who had tied to organized crime an drug trafficking. The current Russian head (Kremlev) has been in charge since 2020. During his tenure the name was changed to IBA, an investigation uncovered matches that had been 'fixed' in gratitude towards sponsors and their countries. The organization racked up debts and then moved their headquarters to Moscow. The Russian-government owned Gazprom (national energy company) became a sponsor and paid off all the debts.

Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine (or rather 'resumed' their invasion since they already occupied Crimea) and the ties between the IBA head (Kremlev) and support of Russia only grew. The organization became a way to further Putin's agenda and strike back at foreign countries. Ukraine's boxing association was banned from the IBA. In response in the World Championships last year many countries including USA, Great Britain, France, Canada, etc... all refused to participate in the IBA World Championships.

There was an attempt to replace Kremlev or reduce his power, but he and his allies re-wrote the bylaws governing the IBA charter in order to quell that.

Those countries that boycotted then started and formed a new boxing federation for amateur boxing simply called "World Boxing" and it now has around 3 dozen countries with their boxing organization now supporting it as the amateur boxing federation for worldwide.

So when someone raises suspicions as the motives and agendas of someone running the IBA who has shown to be a puppet of Putin and using the organization to carry out retribution against countries punishing Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it was already something brought up by the IOC and other countries for well over a year.

Huertel wasn't invited because he plays for Russian team, Russia is de facto banned from these Olympics.
Gaprom is corrupt, so is Burisma, Hunter Biden didn't sit on their board because of his brains.
Lots of nations committed and are comitting atrocities right now, play in the Olympics.
Leave politics out of this, this is about the boxing, Putin doesn't care for Iman Khleif, he has no agenda behind this, if we go down this path, then nothing can be trusted.

[Slacktard]

This is about the IBA Vs IOC, you inserted Russia into this and disqualified president statement by association, not only that, you proceeded to call me a Putin fan, you clearly are abscessed with Russia for some reason, don't drag me or the subject matter into this, FWIW, I have Putin as war criminal who should burn at the stake if it makes you feel any better.

I'm not going to tie you personally into views on Russia, but in terms of inserting Russia into this. Russia was already inserted as a major point of contention for the IBA/IOC conflict already.

The IBA used to be called the AIBA and in the past 15 years had multiple Presidents linked to scandals. The previous President before the current Russian was an Uzbeki who had tied to organized crime an drug trafficking. The current Russian head (Kremlev) has been in charge since 2020. During his tenure the name was changed to IBA, an investigation uncovered matches that had been 'fixed' in gratitude towards sponsors and their countries. The organization racked up debts and then moved their headquarters to Moscow. The Russian-government owned Gazprom (national energy company) became a sponsor and paid off all the debts.

Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine (or rather 'resumed' their invasion since they already occupied Crimea) and the ties between the IBA head (Kremlev) and support of Russia only grew. The organization became a way to further Putin's agenda and strike back at foreign countries. Ukraine's boxing association was banned from the IBA. In response in the World Championships last year many countries including USA, Great Britain, France, Canada, etc... all refused to participate in the IBA World Championships.

There was an attempt to replace Kremlev or reduce his power, but he and his allies re-wrote the bylaws governing the IBA charter in order to quell that.

Those countries that boycotted then started and formed a new boxing federation for amateur boxing simply called "World Boxing" and it now has around 3 dozen countries with their boxing organization now supporting it as the amateur boxing federation for worldwide.

So when someone raises suspicions as the motives and agendas of someone running the IBA who has shown to be a puppet of Putin and using the organization to carry out retribution against countries punishing Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it was already something brought up by the IOC and other countries for well over a year.

Huertel wasn't invited because he plays for Russian team, Russia is de facto banned from these Olympics.
Gaprom is corrupt, so is Burisma, Hunter Biden didn't sit on their board because of his brains.
Lots of nations committed and are comitting atrocities right now, play in the Olympics.
Leave politics out of this, this is about the boxing, Putin doesn't care for Iman Khleif, he has no agenda behind this, if we go down this path, then nothing can be trusted.

"Leave politics out of this" brings up Hunter Biden.

K.

I don't see how that as any relevancy when we were speaking to the CREDIBILITY of the IBA President who is Russian and has specifically been called out by the IOC for carrying out retribution by Russia. If you're going to take HIS WORD then you look at HIS credibility.

[Bergmaniac]

If all of this is a "Russian disinfo campaign" why didn't the two athletes in question just go to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, win their cases easily and clear their names? Are the IBA using all this for their own PR and to score some culture war points? Sure they are, probably with Putin's backing. But that doesn't necessarily they have invented this whole thing from whole cloth and the test results were fake or something like this. The whole "Everything I don't like is a Russian disinfo so I don't need to check anything further" claim which has been so popular ever since 2016 is so silly.

Here is an article by Alan Abrahamson, an American journalist who worked for NBC and Los Angeles Times and covered the Olympics extensively for decades and has co-written a book with Michael Phelps - - https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2024/8/5/fa9lt6ypbwx5su3z20xxnfzgtao0gy . He claims to have seen the tests of the two boxers and that they are from ISO certified laboratories located lacated outside of Russia

Here is a key passage.

3 Wire Sports has seen the test results and a June 5, 2023 IBA letter to the IOC that says tests of Khelif, one in New Delhi, a prior test in Istanbul at the 2022 world championships, “concluded the boxer’s DNA was that of a male consisting of XY chromosomes.”

For both Khelif and Lin, the New Delhi test – from, as IBA disclosed Monday, the independent Dr Lal PathLabs – consists of three pages. In part:

The first page provides, along with basic identifying information for each athlete and date and time of sample collection, result summary – “abnormal” – and interpretation – “chromosome analysis reveals Male karyotype.” The second page offers photographic representation of the 22 paired autosomes and then, for each athlete, further depicts an X and a Y chromosome. Page three makes plain that the lab is a “national reference lab” and, as well, accredited by CAP, the Northfield, Illinois-based College of American Pathologists, and certified by the ISO, the Swiss-based International Organization for Standardization.

[mastermixer]

I can't imagine anything more rational than just not believing anything coming out of Russia.
It might be false or true, who knows? Just it can't be used as a source.

This is about the IBA Vs IOC, you inserted Russia into this and disqualified president statement by association, not only that, you proceeded to call me a Putin fan, you clearly are abscessed with Russia for some reason, don't drag me or the subject matter into this, FWIW, I have Putin as war criminal who should burn at the stake if it makes you feel any better.

I'm not going to tie you personally into views on Russia, but in terms of inserting Russia into this. Russia was already inserted as a major point of contention for the IBA/IOC conflict already.

The IBA used to be called the AIBA and in the past 15 years had multiple Presidents linked to scandals. The previous President before the current Russian was an Uzbeki who had tied to organized crime an drug trafficking. The current Russian head (Kremlev) has been in charge since 2020. During his tenure the name was changed to IBA, an investigation uncovered matches that had been 'fixed' in gratitude towards sponsors and their countries. The organization racked up debts and then moved their headquarters to Moscow. The Russian-government owned Gazprom (national energy company) became a sponsor and paid off all the debts.

Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine (or rather 'resumed' their invasion since they already occupied Crimea) and the ties between the IBA head (Kremlev) and support of Russia only grew. The organization became a way to further Putin's agenda and strike back at foreign countries. Ukraine's boxing association was banned from the IBA. In response in the World Championships last year many countries including USA, Great Britain, France, Canada, etc... all refused to participate in the IBA World Championships.

There was an attempt to replace Kremlev or reduce his power, but he and his allies re-wrote the bylaws governing the IBA charter in order to quell that.

Those countries that boycotted then started and formed a new boxing federation for amateur boxing simply called "World Boxing" and it now has around 3 dozen countries with their boxing organization now supporting it as the amateur boxing federation for worldwide.

So when someone raises suspicions as the motives and agendas of someone running the IBA who has shown to be a puppet of Putin and using the organization to carry out retribution against countries punishing Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it was already something brought up by the IOC and other countries for well over a year.

Ok but here’s that part that I don’t understand. Let’s say it can be independently verified to your satisfaction that one or both the fighters do in fact have XY chromosomes. Is that sufficient enough for you to believe that the fighter should not be fighting in the Olympic women’s boxing match?

[Slacktard]

This is about the IBA Vs IOC, you inserted Russia into this and disqualified president statement by association, not only that, you proceeded to call me a Putin fan, you clearly are abscessed with Russia for some reason, don't drag me or the subject matter into this, FWIW, I have Putin as war criminal who should burn at the stake if it makes you feel any better.

I'm not going to tie you personally into views on Russia, but in terms of inserting Russia into this. Russia was already inserted as a major point of contention for the IBA/IOC conflict already.

The IBA used to be called the AIBA and in the past 15 years had multiple Presidents linked to scandals. The previous President before the current Russian was an Uzbeki who had tied to organized crime an drug trafficking. The current Russian head (Kremlev) has been in charge since 2020. During his tenure the name was changed to IBA, an investigation uncovered matches that had been 'fixed' in gratitude towards sponsors and their countries. The organization racked up debts and then moved their headquarters to Moscow. The Russian-government owned Gazprom (national energy company) became a sponsor and paid off all the debts.

Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine (or rather 'resumed' their invasion since they already occupied Crimea) and the ties between the IBA head (Kremlev) and support of Russia only grew. The organization became a way to further Putin's agenda and strike back at foreign countries. Ukraine's boxing association was banned from the IBA. In response in the World Championships last year many countries including USA, Great Britain, France, Canada, etc... all refused to participate in the IBA World Championships.

There was an attempt to replace Kremlev or reduce his power, but he and his allies re-wrote the bylaws governing the IBA charter in order to quell that.

Those countries that boycotted then started and formed a new boxing federation for amateur boxing simply called "World Boxing" and it now has around 3 dozen countries with their boxing organization now supporting it as the amateur boxing federation for worldwide.

So when someone raises suspicions as the motives and agendas of someone running the IBA who has shown to be a puppet of Putin and using the organization to carry out retribution against countries punishing Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it was already something brought up by the IOC and other countries for well over a year.

Ok but here’s that part that I don’t understand. Let’s say it can be independently verified to your satisfaction that one or both the fighters do in fact have XY chromosomes. Is that sufficient enough for you to believe that the fighter should not be fighting in the Olympic women’s boxing match?

They would meet the current criteria to compete as females. The question would then be to examine the extent of physical advantages. I think there is a sizeable amount of actual boxing matches to show other female boxers who have not been questioned about genetics have clearly dominated their classes in amateur boxing significantly more than either of these boxers.

Which circles back to something I said on a previous page. Do you believe them to be genetically disadvantaged males, or genetically advantaged females.

There are people who have XY and have given birth. Look female, have female genitalia and reproductive organs and were capable of giving birth. How much of an 'advantage' are the chromosomes?

If you have an XX woman who has a condition which causes them to produce significantly more testosterone than a normal XX woman. Is that genetic advantage fair? That may very well lead to even more of developed musculature advantage than this XY individual with female appearance, genitals, etc...

Are we going to say a 'normal' XX woman, but with a genetic condition that causes much more testosterone should be banned from sports because they had a developmental advantage and could be 'dangerous' against an XX woman with regular testosterone levels?

Under some sport rules they might be flagged for that testosterone even if it was natural and they were 100% XX. They may be forced to take hormone treatments to lower it to be eligible... but they still would have been advantaged of having grown up/developed with the higher testosterone. Isn't that the argument made about trans athletes? But in this situation there wouldn't have been a 'trans'. The hypothetical female athlete is XX and just had a condition which gave her a greater amount of testosterone. Is she now going to be penalized for that genetic condition?

Where is the line? Where are we going with genetic testing for 'fairness' doctrine?

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Ok but here’s that part that I don’t understand. Let’s say it can be independently verified to your satisfaction that one or both the fighters do in fact have XY chromosomes. Is that sufficient enough for you to believe that the fighter should not be fighting in the Olympic women’s boxing match?

if it's not against the current rules they definitely should participate to this tournament.
on how to update the rules, do people debating this really understand what that means, in terms of human phisiology?
There is always a tendency of thinking that there's a simple and obvious solution to a complex problem, and this belief is common in particular in people who have a very superficial knowledge of that matter.
so, to the second question, my answer would be I don't know

[mastermixer]

I'm not going to tie you personally into views on Russia, but in terms of inserting Russia into this. Russia was already inserted as a major point of contention for the IBA/IOC conflict already.

The IBA used to be called the AIBA and in the past 15 years had multiple Presidents linked to scandals. The previous President before the current Russian was an Uzbeki who had tied to organized crime an drug trafficking. The current Russian head (Kremlev) has been in charge since 2020. During his tenure the name was changed to IBA, an investigation uncovered matches that had been 'fixed' in gratitude towards sponsors and their countries. The organization racked up debts and then moved their headquarters to Moscow. The Russian-government owned Gazprom (national energy company) became a sponsor and paid off all the debts.

Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine (or rather 'resumed' their invasion since they already occupied Crimea) and the ties between the IBA head (Kremlev) and support of Russia only grew. The organization became a way to further Putin's agenda and strike back at foreign countries. Ukraine's boxing association was banned from the IBA. In response in the World Championships last year many countries including USA, Great Britain, France, Canada, etc... all refused to participate in the IBA World Championships.

There was an attempt to replace Kremlev or reduce his power, but he and his allies re-wrote the bylaws governing the IBA charter in order to quell that.

Those countries that boycotted then started and formed a new boxing federation for amateur boxing simply called "World Boxing" and it now has around 3 dozen countries with their boxing organization now supporting it as the amateur boxing federation for worldwide.

So when someone raises suspicions as the motives and agendas of someone running the IBA who has shown to be a puppet of Putin and using the organization to carry out retribution against countries punishing Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it was already something brought up by the IOC and other countries for well over a year.

Ok but here’s that part that I don’t understand. Let’s say it can be independently verified to your satisfaction that one or both the fighters do in fact have XY chromosomes. Is that sufficient enough for you to believe that the fighter should not be fighting in the Olympic women’s boxing match?

They would meet the current criteria to compete as females. The question would then be to examine the extent of physical advantages. I think there is a sizeable amount of actual boxing matches to show other female boxers who have not been questioned about genetics have clearly dominated their classes in amateur boxing significantly more than either of these boxers.

Which circles back to something I said on a previous page. Do you believe them to be genetically disadvantaged males, or genetically advantaged females.

There are people who have XY and have given birth. Look female, have female genitalia and reproductive organs and were capable of giving birth. How much of an 'advantage' are the chromosomes?

If you have an XX woman who has a condition which causes them to produce significantly more testosterone than a normal XX woman. Is that genetic advantage fair? That may very well lead to even more of developed musculature advantage than this XY individual with female appearance, genitals, etc...

Are we going to say a 'normal' XX woman, but with a genetic condition that causes much more testosterone should be banned from sports because they had a developmental advantage and could be 'dangerous' against an XX woman with regular testosterone levels?

Under some sport rules they might be flagged for that testosterone even if it was natural and they were 100% XX. They may be forced to take hormone treatments to lower it to be eligible... but they still would have been advantaged of having grown up/developed with the higher testosterone. Isn't that the argument made about trans athletes? But in this situation there wouldn't have been a 'trans'. The hypothetical female athlete is XX and just had a condition which gave her a greater amount of testosterone. Is she now going to be penalized for that genetic condition?

Where is the line? Where are we going with genetic testing for 'fairness' doctrine?

I think the line is XX chromosomes and within a certain testosterone level threshold. Especially in a combat sport like boxing. Even if it’s a naturally occurring disorder that causes a significant raise in test, that’s too dangerous in a combat sport.

You could probably persuade me to ignore the test levels in non-combat sports. But only if I could be satisfied that the testing done can determine naturally occurring test levels vs PED taking test levels. If you can’t determine that, you have to err on the side of caution.


That’s just the way I hypothetically see it. Not the actual rules in place.

[mastermixer]

Ok but here’s that part that I don’t understand. Let’s say it can be independently verified to your satisfaction that one or both the fighters do in fact have XY chromosomes. Is that sufficient enough for you to believe that the fighter should not be fighting in the Olympic women’s boxing match?

if it's not against the current rules they definitely should participate to this tournament.
on how to update the rules, do people debating this really understand what that means, in terms of human phisiology?
There is always a tendency of thinking that there's a simple and obvious solution to a complex problem, and this belief is common in particular in people who have a very superficial knowledge of that matter.
so, to the second question, my answer would be I don't know

That’s fine to have that opinion. But I just don’t see the need to play the angle that the other boxing association’s gender tests can’t be trusted because that association is run by the Russians and therefore we don’t know if what they are saying is true.

The reality is that even if the tests ARE TRUE. That type of testing isn’t sufficient to sway your opinion that she shouldn’t be fighting, so just say that.


The IOC said that their current criteria for participating in a woman’s sport category is based on the person’s passport. So the previous testing has no bearing on this current match.

That’s the way I see it at least.

[Nuntius]

Incredible drama in the handball quarter-final by France and Germany, it's now going to overtime after a literal last second goal by Germany to equalise after they stole the ball with only 3 seconds to go. Before that one the French best players should have been sent off for a disgusting foul. The French goalie has been on fire too.

Similarly dramatic moments unfolted in the Water Polo quarterfinals between Greece and Serbia. Serbia scored the winning goal with 4 seconds to go and, unfortunately, eliminated us.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Ok but here’s that part that I don’t understand. Let’s say it can be independently verified to your satisfaction that one or both the fighters do in fact have XY chromosomes. Is that sufficient enough for you to believe that the fighter should not be fighting in the Olympic women’s boxing match?

if it's not against the current rules they definitely should participate to this tournament.
on how to update the rules, do people debating this really understand what that means, in terms of human phisiology?
There is always a tendency of thinking that there's a simple and obvious solution to a complex problem, and this belief is common in particular in people who have a very superficial knowledge of that matter.
so, to the second question, my answer would be I don't know

That’s fine to have that opinion. But I just don’t see the need to play the angle that the other boxing association’s gender tests can’t be trusted because that association is run by the Russians and therefore we don’t know if what they are saying is true.

The reality is that even if the tests ARE TRUE. That type of testing isn’t sufficient to sway your opinion that she shouldn’t be fighting, so just say that.


The IOC said that their current criteria for participating in a woman’s sport category is based on the person’s passport. So the previous testing has no bearing on this current match.

That’s the way I see it at least.

whatever comes out of the IBA can't be trusted because it might be false or inaccurately represented.
this doesn't change the fact that average people can't understand the meaning of such tests.
both things are true, we've been debating the IBA part recently because that's what has been challenged

[Bergmaniac]

That was a classic. The best game of any team sport in this Olympics. I thought Germany made a mistake by beating Slovenia, because I wanted them to avoid France but now I am glad how things turned out

There was a power outage at my home right during the extra time of this game, I was so mad, thankfully I managed not to spoil myself and then watched the final few minutes when the power came back 30 minutes later. Amazing game.

[Mamba81p]

I hate how handball and volleyball allows players to change national teams. Leon should not play for Poland.

[Bergmaniac]

I hate how handball and volleyball allows players to change national teams. Leon should not play for Poland.

Agreed, it's ridiculous that someone like Leon who played for Cuba for years can just switch national teams.

[California Gold]

I was wondering how an Aussie would win gold in skateboarding. Of course he is a American-Australian man that was born in San Diego - grew up in Australia and then moved back to SD when he was 14 to train.

I understand why he represents Australia though but he's as good as he is because he trains in the best place to train for Skateboarding in the world.

[LordCovington33]

I was wondering how an Aussie would win gold in skateboarding. Of course he is a American-Australian man that was born in San Diego - grew up in Australia and then moved back to SD when he was 14 to train.

I understand why he represents Australia though but he's as good as he is because he trains in the best place to train for Skateboarding in the world.

He has spent two-thirds of his life in Australia. Took up the sport in Australia and started competing in major competitions when he was just 8. And when he moved back at aged 14, he won the Dew Tour Am Bowl Final from the get-go. I would say his foundations were already set if he was competing locally for at least 6 years and could win an American competition from the get-go. You guys can’t take credit for that. It is alright to be disappointed since Team USA had high hopes of winning gold, but he sees himself as an Australian and sees America as a place to compete professionally against other riders.

[California Gold]

I was wondering how an Aussie would win gold in skateboarding. Of course he is a American-Australian man that was born in San Diego - grew up in Australia and then moved back to SD when he was 14 to train.

I understand why he represents Australia though but he's as good as he is because he trains in the best place to train for Skateboarding in the world.

He has spent two-thirds of his life in Australia. Took up the sport in Australia and started competing in major competitions when he was just 8. And when he moved back at aged 14, he won the Dew Tour Am Bowl Final from the get-go. I would say his foundations were already set if he was competing locally for at least 6 years and could win an American competition from the get-go. You guys can’t take credit for that. It is alright to be disappointed since Team USA had high hopes of winning gold, but he sees himself as an Australian and sees America as a place to compete professionally against other riders.

I wasn't taking credit for anything? Just pointing out an observation - and I had no "high hopes" for winning gold lol.

Defensive much?

Southern California is the world's hot bed for Skateboarding - that's all I really got out of that observation.

[California Gold]

Huge win for Team USA in Mens Water Polo. Mens team hasn't made it this far since 2008, pretty fun match to watch.

[Danny11]

Huge win for Team USA in Mens Water Polo. Mens team hasn't made it this far since 2008, pretty fun match to watch.

Hell yeah, was a crazy game. After playing man down for 4 minutes and being down 3-1 in the 1st, I thought we were done for. After beating Croatie in group stage, that would be a terrible way to go out. This is a super talented team, but they seem to make lots of bone headed mistakes. Glad to see them pull through and keep the gold chance alive.