Team Canada Basketball Thread V4.0

[Yeezus_]

Ideally we beat Spain by a huge margin and France beats Germany by like 1 so we’re in the same pot draw as the US by point differential.

Germany could also win by 1-2 points, provided we beat Spain by a huge margin.

This would put us in the same pot as the US.

That’s a good point. We’re 16 points behind Germany. In any case, hopefully we get a large lead against Spain.

Germany and France have an advantage playing later than Canada on Friday.

[jrask]

Ideally we beat Spain by a huge margin and France beats Germany by like 1 so we’re in the same pot draw as the US by point differential.

Germany could also win by 1-2 points, provided we beat Spain by a huge margin.

This would put us in the same pot as the US.

That’s a good point. We’re 16 points behind Germany. In any case, hopefully we get a large lead against Spain.

Germany and France have an advantage playing later than Canada on Friday.

Not to wish for a loss, but what is the scenario where Canada loses to Spain and still ends up on opposite side of the USA bracket? I believe Canada would have to finish 4th overall - but not 100% sure.

[Yeezus_]

Germany could also win by 1-2 points, provided we beat Spain by a huge margin.

This would put us in the same pot as the US.

That’s a good point. We’re 16 points behind Germany. In any case, hopefully we get a large lead against Spain.

Germany and France have an advantage playing later than Canada on Friday.

Not to wish for a loss, but what is the scenario where Canada loses to Spain and still ends up on opposite side of the USA bracket? I believe Canada would have to finish 4th overall - but not 100% sure.

It gets more complicated but if Canada finishes 3/4, they would have to hope to get drawn opposite of the US bracket when the Pot draws take place. Though there are some rules to it, like you can’t play the team in your group in the quarterfinals, which complicate it a bit.

[PoundTown]

If we play the States in the semis, I sure hope we don't play Serbia in the bronze medal game. That's really the only team that scares me. I think Brooks and Dort will clamp Schroeder and Franz if we play Germany, and France doesn't have the perimeter talent, albeit they're still a formidable team to play against with Wemby and Gobert in the middle. We'd really have to play some good ball to beat Serbia. Would be really nice to see Murray have a break out game against Spain. I liked his aggressiveness a bit more last game, but he struggles penetrating a bit with the more physical defense. Shows you how special SGA is in that regard getting to his spots and even Barrett.

[mkot]

I liked his aggressiveness a bit more last game, but he struggles penetrating a bit with the more physical defense.

It's different out there without Nikola Jokić setting bone crushing screens for him that's for sure.

We only have a few games left and I don't see SGA and Murray working well together, which I anticipated to be the case. SGA let him have the ball in clutch time against the Aussie for a few posessions and he had his moments, I think he got 3-4 assists in the clutch, which is nice to see but they are not really working together. It's nice to have it as an option but I think we want SGA to have the ball for the majority of the time so if we are going to use Murray as an off-ball threat, Im just not certain he knows how to play this role. He had never played that role in Denver.

[mathgeek]

Barrett was perhaps the biggest beneficiary of Andrew Wiggins’ 11th-hour decision to withdraw from training camp – and, yes, according to multiple sources it was his decision, not Golden State’s. Given the similarities, positionally and in terms of skill set, Wiggins would have almost certainly eaten into Barrett’s playing time and touches. Without him, the 24-year-old – and youngest player on Canada’s roster – has owned the role.

https://www.tsn.ca/talent/olympics/fernandez-pushes-right-buttons-for-canada-in-big-win-over-australia-1.2155982

If this is true it looks bad on Wiggins. He has 3 years left on his contract next year and the following year, the third year is a player option at 30 million. In another 4 years he'll be 32 and might have nothing left in the tank for a player that relies heavily on his athleticism to beat guys off the dribble.

[mkot]

Barrett was perhaps the biggest beneficiary of Andrew Wiggins’ 11th-hour decision to withdraw from training camp – and, yes, according to multiple sources it was his decision, not Golden State’s. Given the similarities, positionally and in terms of skill set, Wiggins would have almost certainly eaten into Barrett’s playing time and touches. Without him, the 24-year-old – and youngest player on Canada’s roster – has owned the role.

https://www.tsn.ca/talent/olympics/fernandez-pushes-right-buttons-for-canada-in-big-win-over-australia-1.2155982

If this is true it looks bad on Wiggins. He has 3 years left on his contract next year and the following year, the third year is a player option at 30 million. In another 4 years he'll be 32 and might have nothing left in the tank for a player that relies heavily on his athleticism to beat guys off the dribble.

He can still play elite defense when he wants to so if he can re-discover his shots he can still find a spot in the NBA

[frumble]

Well, that was disappointing.

Hard to believe, but the (long) process for qualifying for the 2027 FIBA World Cup starts in about 15 months (in November 2025).
Once again, most of the games will be held during the NBA and other club basketball seasons.

[deeps6x]

Really could have used Edey

[And1Skip]

So what happens going forward with the coaching situation? Surely Jordi probably will quit as he'll want to concentrate more on his NBA gig. Who would they replace him with? Jama Mahlalela or is he not big enough name to attract NBA commitment (and lack of international coaching experience)? Or do they go to the previous route and just hire the Raptors head coach like they did with Nurse and hire Darko?

[TheGeneral99]

Very disappointing.

Obviously a bit unlucky they got paired against France who arguably had the 2nd best roster after the US, but a bad showing from some key guys, especially Murray.

Silver lining was that RJ looked fantastic.

[dTox]

Should we be concerned about the Kelly acquisition after this Olympics run?

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[PoundTown]

Should we be concerned about the Kelly acquisition after this Olympics run?

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That really depends if you want us to win or lose lol. If you want a high draft pick, you should not be worried.

[Chalky_White]

Should we be concerned about the Kelly acquisition after this Olympics run?

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100%. I thought the extension was an overpay before these games but that's been crystalized now. Gotta hope that 2nd year isn't fully guaranteed but I doubt it.

[ItsDanger]

Should we be concerned about the Kelly acquisition after this Olympics run?

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He averaged 1.5 PPG and 9 minutes with FG 16.7% in 4 Olympic games.

Yes.

[Chalky_White]

So what happens going forward with the coaching situation? Surely Jordi probably will quit as he'll want to concentrate more on his NBA gig. Who would they replace him with? Jama Mahlalela or is he not big enough name to attract NBA commitment (and lack of international coaching experience)? Or do they go to the previous route and just hire the Raptors head coach like they did with Nurse and hire Darko?

I don't think the Nets will want Jordi coaching Canada in the summers so his run is likely done. I proposed in the other thread Sergio Scariolo, long time coach of Spain and former Nurse assistant with the Raptors. Would be a decent fit IMO. Former Canada coach Gordon Herbert is doing well with Germany and could be another target.

I think the Canada Basketball brass will want someone more established with their next hire and who would command respect from day 1. Jordi was an emergency hire at the time due to Nurse's sudden departure but its worked out well.

[Tha Cynic]

Should we be concerned about the Kelly acquisition after this Olympics run?

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If you want to watch enjoyable basketball even if they lose a lot of games - yes.

[frumble]

Ages, as of the 2027 FIBA World Cup (rounded to the closest year), of big men possibilities.

Powell 36
Olynyk 36
Ejim 36
Thompson 36
Birch 35
Wiltjer 35
Boucher 35
Lyles 32
Alexander 31
Clarke 31
Kabengele 30
Edey 25
Bediako 25
Miller 24

Am I missing anyone who could realistically be in the picture by 2027?

[TheFutureMM]

Ages, as of the 2027 FIBA World Cup (rounded to the closest year), of big men possibilities.

Powell 36
Olynyk 36
Ejim 36
Thompson 36
Birch 35
Wiltjer 35
Boucher 35
Lyles 32
Alexander 31
Clarke 31
Kabengele 30
Edey 25
Bediako 25
Miller 24

Am I missing anyone who could realistically be in the picture by 2027?

Solid list. Not impossible to think that we may see Powell on the team at 36, Lyles at 32 is probably still going to be servicable.

Really all this list is telling me is that we desperately need Edey to become a serviceable pro either in the NBA or Europe.

HairCanada probably has a good read on our Canadian big men prospects though I think we all would be aware of someone in the NCAA or High School taller than 6'9 with a projected pro future.

[mkot]

So what happens going forward with the coaching situation? Surely Jordi probably will quit as he'll want to concentrate more on his NBA gig. Who would they replace him with? Jama Mahlalela or is he not big enough name to attract NBA commitment (and lack of international coaching experience)? Or do they go to the previous route and just hire the Raptors head coach like they did with Nurse and hire Darko?

I think we need to look at FIBA coach. After the fallout of this Olympic, despite not having a complete and balanced roster, our system and organization is the most to blame imo. Our system is give SGA the ball, space the floor as much as possible and let him cook, that's style of play is specifically ineffective in FIBA because of the 3seconds rule and smaller court and it really affects SGA in major ways. Basically all our guards dribble too much and don't know what to do or where to go, that's not understanding what's translates and what doesn't in FIBA.

I know Jamal Murray is the punching bag right now but SGA also really didn't meet the moment, also missed 3 crucial FTs. Hopefully we can build from here and have all the guys back for the next World Cup. I feel like we have a long way to go...sure we need real talent in the frontcourt but we also need a system that can work to our players' strength and in FIBA