Markkanen signing long-term extension (untradeable this season)

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Re: Markkanen signing long-term extension (untradeable this season) 

Post#141 » by PushDaRock » Wed Aug 7, 2024 8:32 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:Danny Ainge is just not a good GM and just doesn't get necessary trades done. He needed to move him and actually start his rebuild. Instead he tied up 50 mil/year in cap space for Markkanen which is nuts.


I don't blame them for keeping him if the actual offers are as bad as the reported ones.

What's wrong with Markkanen at this number? He will be 32 by the end of his deal, still right at the tail end of his prime most likely.
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Post#142 » by Black Jack » Wed Aug 7, 2024 8:43 pm

Calling it now the Jazz will win the draft lottery and get Flagg anyway

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Re: Markkanen signing long-term extension (untradeable this season) 

Post#143 » by NoStatsGuy » Wed Aug 7, 2024 11:44 pm

put markannen on a team with a proper point guard or elite creator and the guy will break into the next tier of stardom. people already washed him off as a complementary piece or #3 guy. that dude is legit and just entered his prime. hes probably not on utahs timeline and ainge overplayed his hand but hes probably one of, if not the best and most vauable pieces that are somewhat available.
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Post#144 » by doogie_hauser » Thu Aug 8, 2024 3:05 am

If you ask me, the Knicks should have put all their draft capital and assets into trading for Lauri instead of Mikal Bridges (but understand their want to bring the Nova Wildcats band back together)

It's good for Utah than an elite/all star level player wants to stay in Salt Lake (even if Lauri is a tier below franchise player status)

Ainge hasn't brought in established talent lately to the Jazz, but his last few drafts have netted some solid young players.

Its one of the least desirable markets for free agents/stars to want to go to (SLC), they still have quite a few picks to play with.

Utah is in fairly good shape going fowards, even if short term, their prognosis may seem grim.
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Post#145 » by brackdan70 » Thu Aug 8, 2024 3:09 am

doogie_hauser wrote:If you ask me, the Knicks should have put all their draft capital and assets into trading for Lauri instead of Mikal Bridges (but understand their want to bring the Nova Wildcats band back together)

It's good for Utah than an elite/all star level player wants to stay in Salt Lake (even if Lauri is a tier below franchise player status)

Ainge hasn't brought in established talent lately to the Jazz, but his last few drafts have netted some solid young players.

Its one of the least desirable markets for free agents/stars to want to go to (SLC), they still have quite a few picks to play with.

Utah is in fairly good shape going fowards, even if short term, their prognosis may seem grim.

Agree. I think Lauri would have been a better acquisition. Or sitting on their hands and keeping Hartenstein. I believe that Bridges trade will not look good in the near future. Time will tell
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Re: Markkanen signing long-term extension (untradeable this season) 

Post#146 » by brackdan70 » Thu Aug 8, 2024 3:10 am

doogie_hauser wrote:If you ask me, the Knicks should have put all their draft capital and assets into trading for Lauri instead of Mikal Bridges (but understand their want to bring the Nova Wildcats band back together)

It's good for Utah than an elite/all star level player wants to stay in Salt Lake (even if Lauri is a tier below franchise player status)

Ainge hasn't brought in established talent lately to the Jazz, but his last few drafts have netted some solid young players.

Its one of the least desirable markets for free agents/stars to want to go to (SLC), they still have quite a few picks to play with.

Utah is in fairly good shape going fowards, even if short term, their prognosis may seem grim.

Agree. I think Lauri would have been a better acquisition. Or sitting on their hands and keeping Hartenstein. I believe that Bridges trade will not look good in the near future. Time will tell
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Post#147 » by jkvonny » Thu Aug 8, 2024 6:06 am

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Post#148 » by SweaterBae » Thu Aug 8, 2024 6:14 am

This was always the most likely outcome.
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Post#149 » by gavran » Thu Aug 8, 2024 6:43 am

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doogie_hauser wrote:If you ask me, the Knicks should have put all their draft capital and assets into trading for Lauri instead of Mikal Bridges (but understand their want to bring the Nova Wildcats band back together)

It's good for Utah than an elite/all star level player wants to stay in Salt Lake (even if Lauri is a tier below franchise player status)

Ainge hasn't brought in established talent lately to the Jazz, but his last few drafts have netted some solid young players.

Its one of the least desirable markets for free agents/stars to want to go to (SLC), they still have quite a few picks to play with.

Utah is in fairly good shape going fowards, even if short term, their prognosis may seem grim.

Agree. I think Lauri would have been a better acquisition. Or sitting on their hands and keeping Hartenstein. I believe that Bridges trade will not look good in the near future. Time will tell


You do realize that the Mikal trade has literally 0 effect on the Hartenstein deal, right?
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Post#150 » by doogie_hauser » Thu Aug 8, 2024 6:51 am

SweaterBae wrote:This was always the most likely outcome.


Dubs could have had a legit chance of landing him if they weren't so high on Podz, a decent young kid but hardly an all star calibre talent.

The more I think about it, the more i think its stupid from the Warriors not to do the deal and the likely Steph (a legacy/GOAT team player) ends his career on a different team.
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Post#151 » by SweaterBae » Thu Aug 8, 2024 6:54 am

doogie_hauser wrote:
SweaterBae wrote:This was always the most likely outcome.


Dubs could have had a legit chance of landing him if they weren't so high on Podz, a decent young kid but hardly an all star calibre talent.

The more I think about it, the more i think its stupid from the Warriors not to do the deal and the likely Steph (a legacy/GOAT team player) ends his career on a different team.


Dubs need to move on and rebuild, not go all in on someone who makes them win 1 playoff series instead of none, at best.
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Post#152 » by dirkules_41 » Thu Aug 8, 2024 8:15 am

As much as I like Lauri but that deal is gonna become long term untradeable, not just this season untradeable
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Post#153 » by FarBeyondDriven » Thu Aug 8, 2024 8:38 am

dirkules_41 wrote:As much as I like Lauri but that deal is gonna become long term untradeable, not just this season untradeable


please. It'll be a bargain compared to the ridiculous contracts given out in the upcoming years. People that say Lauri doesn't fit the Jazz' timeline are wrong. Signing him completely changes things. They won't be tanking. I expect them to showcase all the rest of their guys and trade them to give Lauri and elite running mate.
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Post#154 » by floppymoose » Thu Aug 8, 2024 9:21 am

Phew. Bullet dodged.
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Post#155 » by dirkules_41 » Thu Aug 8, 2024 9:24 am

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
dirkules_41 wrote:As much as I like Lauri but that deal is gonna become long term untradeable, not just this season untradeable


please. It'll be a bargain compared to the ridiculous contracts given out in the upcoming years. People that say Lauri doesn't fit the Jazz' timeline are wrong. Signing him completely changes things. They won't be tanking. I expect them to showcase all the rest of their guys and trade them to give Lauri and elite running mate.

I said nothing about timeline. But you're tying up 50m a year in a very good player who is not a star player and is 27, so he's unlikely to reinvent the wheel at this point of his career and become a dominant go to guy. I like him but 50 a year for an elite role player is gonna become interesting (he's not the only one and he's not guilty of taking it either - who wouldn't).
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Post#156 » by brackdan70 » Thu Aug 8, 2024 12:30 pm

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brackdan70 wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:If you ask me, the Knicks should have put all their draft capital and assets into trading for Lauri instead of Mikal Bridges (but understand their want to bring the Nova Wildcats band back together)

It's good for Utah than an elite/all star level player wants to stay in Salt Lake (even if Lauri is a tier below franchise player status)

Ainge hasn't brought in established talent lately to the Jazz, but his last few drafts have netted some solid young players.

Its one of the least desirable markets for free agents/stars to want to go to (SLC), they still have quite a few picks to play with.

Utah is in fairly good shape going fowards, even if short term, their prognosis may seem grim.

Agree. I think Lauri would have been a better acquisition. Or sitting on their hands and keeping Hartenstein. I believe that Bridges trade will not look good in the near future. Time will tell


You do realize that the Mikal trade has literally 0 effect on the Hartenstein deal, right?

Does it? It hard capped them so limited their flexibility in signing players.
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Post#157 » by SkyHook » Thu Aug 8, 2024 1:07 pm

floppymoose wrote:Phew. Bullet dodged.


It was the right call for the Dubs. There's no player in the league that they could acquire who would make them into a solid playoff team, let alone a title contender. No sense in mortgaging the future for an uncertain, mediocre present.
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Post#158 » by Jadoogar » Thu Aug 8, 2024 2:29 pm

doogie_hauser wrote:If you ask me, the Knicks should have put all their draft capital and assets into trading for Lauri instead of Mikal Bridges (but understand their want to bring the Nova Wildcats band back together)
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Why? Lauri is pretty injury prone, Mikal is the exact opposite. Mikal is more versatile and an elite defender. I think the Knicks built their team to compete with Boston and you can't do better than OG and Bridges to throws the Celtics wings.
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Post#159 » by jazzfan1971 » Thu Aug 8, 2024 3:48 pm

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floppymoose wrote:Phew. Bullet dodged.


It was the right call for the Dubs. There's no player in the league that they could acquire who would make them into a solid playoff team, let alone a title contender. No sense in mortgaging the future for an uncertain, mediocre present.


I think I'm higher on GSW than even their own fans. But IMHO, Curry, Lauri, and Dray Is the core of a championship level team. I think they go toe to toe with Denver, Dallas, Boston and Philly. I think they would have been right there in tier #1.

Now, you need them healthy. That's a sizable risk for players that age. But if you have health I saw that as a contending team. Every team outside of Boston has to stay healthy as well though. So this is just a normal concern for most contenders.

Had I been Lacob I would have happily thrown Podz into the deal. Being super happy he was able to swing a trade of this level.

But, I seem much more optimistic about their chances than most of you. Even GS fans.
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Post#160 » by floppymoose » Thu Aug 8, 2024 4:51 pm

I'm actually fairly high on GS. But not so high that I think Luari (minus Podz and/or JK) makes them able to beat Denver or Boston. I'd rather keep all those picks.

I know Ainge has a history of getting good returns, but I really doubt Lauri will bring the haul we've seen associated with the potential GS trade. His contract is too close to even value for that.

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