Sixers Offseason Thread Part 5

[ankle420breaker]

I like Oubre as a 4th option. Capable of carrying larger loads offensively when guys are out.

Really stoked about having a few legitimate wings with length in PG, Martin, Oubre, and Council.

We're definitely approaching next season without as many holes. Still need Morey to hit on a PF with this last spot. Nice to know we also have KJ and some picks to add another piece mid-season.

Sent from my SM-S921U using RealGM mobile app

[sixerguy]

Found an article from a couple years ago about Nurse and starting lineups. Sounds like he's very open to varying the starting lineup based on matchups, but he also recognizes the value of cohesion. And he knows the players care about it.

He's not open. He continued to insert Tobias into the starting lineup for like the entire year. He also never paired Reed with Joel.

Tobias was making 40 million dollars a year. You don't make that kind of money to come off the bench. While I agree that Reed/Embiid should have at least been attempted, I don't think it would have ever worked. Reed couldn't shoot his way out of a XXX film and the spacing would have been disastrous.

with Tobias, you're telling me that after 5 years of experimenting with some low-energy unproven playoff competitor who isn't in the long term plans of the franchise means we still have to start and play him 35+ minutes in the regular season and playoffs?? Doesn't sound like a coach at all. Lue didn't play Westbrook. Lue didn't play Tucker. Nurse woulda played them both by your rationale.

[Stanford]

with Tobias, you're telling me that after 5 years of experimenting with some low-energy unproven playoff competitor who isn't in the long term plans of the franchise means we still have to start and play him 35+ minutes in the regular season and playoffs?? Doesn't sound like a coach at all. Lue didn't play Westbrook. Lue didn't play Tucker. Nurse woulda played them both by your rationale.

I agree. The "he makes lots of money so minutes" argument is pretty tired, especially in the playoffs, as you note.

[Sixerscan]

I don't think him not doing 1-2 things you wanted him to do means he's not open to adjusting. The guy has coached for a while at this point.

Like on the other end Hield was the big trade deadline acquisition (and made more than Westbrook and Tucker combined) and he got taken out of the rotation.

[HotelVitale]

[x]

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=bJcUtOCSwzTqqyZgysWpbQ[/x]

Man those shots are so unbelievably hard to be shooting 40%+ on.

[mjkvol]

Found an article from a couple years ago about Nurse and starting lineups. Sounds like he's very open to varying the starting lineup based on matchups, but he also recognizes the value of cohesion. And he knows the players care about it.

He's not open. He continued to insert Tobias into the starting lineup for like the entire year. He also never paired Reed with Joel.

Tobias was making 40 million dollars a year. You don't make that kind of money to come off the bench.

C,mon, Explosions. I was sick of the "he has to play because he's making 40 mil" argument while Glenn was still here, but accepted it because I expected no deeper thought about lineups from him.

Nurse is known as a thinker and a tinkerer with rotations as well as scheme, so from him the idea of consistently starting and playing a proven mediocrity 35 minutes a night due to how much he's being paid just doesn't wash.

[ProcessDoctor]

I think one of big factors for Nurse's more limited rotation last year was injuries. Our rotation took a big hit once Covington and Melton went down for extended periods of time. Reed also played his way off this team, so while I was upset Nurse didn't try the double big lineup more, I understood given it involved Reed.

[ivysixer2000]

I think one of big factors for Nurse's more limited rotation last year was injuries. Our rotation took a big hit once Covington and Melton went down for extended periods of time. Reed also played his way off this team, so while I was upset Nurse didn't try the double big lineup more, I understood given it involved Reed.

I agree, Reed isn't even here anymore for a reason. Don't know why he is mentioned as an argument against NN. He just wasn't good enough to get minutes with Jojo, and I'm glad I don't have to see that broke jumper ever again.

Drummond knows who he is, and he is good enough to play with Jojo. We will see if NN experiments with that as that's a much much better option than scrub Reed.

[ProcessDoctor]

I think one of big factors for Nurse's more limited rotation last year was injuries. Our rotation took a big hit once Covington and Melton went down for extended periods of time. Reed also played his way off this team, so while I was upset Nurse didn't try the double big lineup more, I understood given it involved Reed.

I agree, Reed isn't even here anymore for a reason. Don't know why he is mentioned as an argument against NN. He just wasn't good enough to get minutes with Jojo, and I'm glad I don't have to see that broke jumper ever again.

Drummond knows who he is, and he is good enough to play with Jojo. We will see if NN experiments with that as that's a much much better option than scrub Reed.

I'm also glad we're moving on from Reed for the sake of this team and fanbase. While he was a REB/STL/BLK machine, he was also immature, had a low IQ, and played recklessly. He also never developed the range to play next to Embiid and was often in foul trouble.

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh, and he achieved more than most 2nd rounders ever will, but I think people saw him for more than what he was.

[ProcessDoctor]

Apparently we can trade for vet min guys by just sending out picks because they count $0 towards the cap? Someone please correct me if I'm missing something.

[HotelVitale]

Apparently we can trade for vet min guys by just sending out picks because they count $0 towards the cap? Someone please correct me if I'm missing something.

Not sure about the trade question, but they count towards the cap and the aprons and the tax, it's just that you can always exceed cap or limit or whatever to add them. You're always allowed to add a vet min guy in.

That's why I don't know, this is mixing together FA rules and trade ones. I suspect the trade ones win here and you can't take back salary without it coming back. Far as I know that's only possible if you're sticking the incoming salary into cap space.

[the_process]

[x]

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=bJcUtOCSwzTqqyZgysWpbQ[/x]

It's wonderful when Maxey takes that step back and he's 25+ feet away and he lets it fly and it looks good from the second it leaves his hand. More often than not, I might add.

[NearingZero]

Apparently we can trade for vet min guys by just sending out picks because they count $0 towards the cap? Someone please correct me if I'm missing something.

Not sure about the trade question, but they count towards the cap and the aprons and the tax, it's just that you can always exceed cap or limit or whatever to add them. You're always allowed to add a vet min guy in.

That's why I don't know, this is mixing together FA rules and trade ones. I suspect the trade ones win here and you can't take back salary without it coming back. Far as I know that's only possible if you're sticking the incoming salary into cap space.

I believe the actual restriction on taking back salary is that "Team acquires a player using an Expanded
Traded Player Exception" is a first apron trigger. That exception should not be needed to trade for a min player, as the Minimum Player Salary Exception includes "acquire by assignment" (aka "trade for").

[ProcessDoctor]

Apparently we can trade for vet min guys by just sending out picks because they count $0 towards the cap? Someone please correct me if I'm missing something.

Not sure about the trade question, but they count towards the cap and the aprons and the tax, it's just that you can always exceed cap or limit or whatever to add them. You're always allowed to add a vet min guy in.

That's why I don't know, this is mixing together FA rules and trade ones. I suspect the trade ones win here and you can't take back salary without it coming back. Far as I know that's only possible if you're sticking the incoming salary into cap space.

I believe the actual restriction on taking back salary is that "Team acquires a player using an Expanded
Traded Player Exception" is a first apron trigger. That exception should not be needed to trade for a min player, as the Minimum Player Salary Exception includes "acquire by assignment" (aka "trade for").

So for a min player do we have to send out salary? Or can we just send out picks/cash?

[NearingZero]

Not sure about the trade question, but they count towards the cap and the aprons and the tax, it's just that you can always exceed cap or limit or whatever to add them. You're always allowed to add a vet min guy in.

That's why I don't know, this is mixing together FA rules and trade ones. I suspect the trade ones win here and you can't take back salary without it coming back. Far as I know that's only possible if you're sticking the incoming salary into cap space.

I believe the actual restriction on taking back salary is that "Team acquires a player using an Expanded
Traded Player Exception" is a first apron trigger. That exception should not be needed to trade for a min player, as the Minimum Player Salary Exception includes "acquire by assignment" (aka "trade for").

So for a min player do we have to send out salary? Or can we just send out picks/cash?

Just picks/cash.

[ProcessDoctor]

I believe the actual restriction on taking back salary is that "Team acquires a player using an Expanded
Traded Player Exception" is a first apron trigger. That exception should not be needed to trade for a min player, as the Minimum Player Salary Exception includes "acquire by assignment" (aka "trade for").

So for a min player do we have to send out salary? Or can we just send out picks/cash?

Just picks/cash.

That's what I figured. Opens up the door a wee bit more. I'd love Torrey Craig starting/playing 20 mpg at the 4. We could offer Chicago a couple of 2nds for him. Then use 1sts + KJ + filler (if needed) at the deadline to get an even better 4.

[the_process]

Found an article from a couple years ago about Nurse and starting lineups. Sounds like he's very open to varying the starting lineup based on matchups, but he also recognizes the value of cohesion. And he knows the players care about it.

He's not open. He continued to insert Tobias into the starting lineup for like the entire year. He also never paired Reed with Joel.

Tobias was making 40 million dollars a year. You don't make that kind of money to come off the bench. While I agree that Reed/Embiid should have at least been attempted, I don't think it would have ever worked. Reed couldn't shoot his way out of a XXX film and the spacing would have been disastrous.

Yet another reminder how wonderful it is we are in the post-Tobias era.

[HotelVitale]

So for a min player do we have to send out salary? Or can we just send out picks/cash?

Just picks/cash.

That's what I figured. Opens up the door a wee bit more. I'd love Torrey Craig starting/playing 20 mpg at the 4. We could offer Chicago a couple of 2nds for him. Then use actual 1sts + KJ + filler (if needed) at the deadline to get the final piece at the 4.

Looks like y'all are right, google's saying a specific exception exists that extends the 'you can always sign vet min guys' to 'you can always trade for vet min guys.'

Though note there's also a new resitrction on aggregating vet min contracts in trades, can't have more than one thrown into a trade. Though it's also kinda half-hearted since it's suspended from Dec 15 to the trade deadline.

[ProcessDoctor]

Just picks/cash.

That's what I figured. Opens up the door a wee bit more. I'd love Torrey Craig starting/playing 20 mpg at the 4. We could offer Chicago a couple of 2nds for him. Then use actual 1sts + KJ + filler (if needed) at the deadline to get the final piece at the 4.

Looks like y'all are right, google's saying a specific exception exists that extends the 'you can always sign vet min guys' to 'you can always trade for vet min guys.'

Though note there's also a new resitrction on aggregating vet min contracts in trades, can't have more than one thrown into a trade. Though it's also kinda half-hearted since it's suspended from Dec 15 to the trade deadline.

Hopefully, we don't have to aggregate more than 1 to KJ's contract to get our guy. But like you're saying, it won't matter since we can't trade KJ until January 15th anyway.

Still sad we didn't sign KJ to more than what we did but his contract still leaves us some options. I imagine Morey tried to sign him to a bigger deal but was probably difficult getting the OK from ownership without any guarantees something would happen.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

He's not open. He continued to insert Tobias into the starting lineup for like the entire year. He also never paired Reed with Joel.

Tobias was making 40 million dollars a year. You don't make that kind of money to come off the bench.

C,mon, Explosions. I was sick of the "he has to play because he's making 40 mil" argument while Glenn was still here, but accepted it because I expected no deeper thought about lineups from him.

Nurse is known as a thinker and a tinkerer with rotations as well as scheme, so from him the idea of consistently starting and playing a proven mediocrity 35 minutes a night due to how much he's being paid just doesn't wash.

All... I'm... Saying....Is that ownership, the higher ups...They can at some point pull rank. Despite how atrocious Tobias was, there were no better options. Money does matter. From an image perspective, it would have been a bad look on the part of ownership to watch Harris sit on the bench. With that being said, Nurse eventually did his best to cut his minutes without causing a scene. Under the given circumstances at the time, it was not in the cards to suddenly just bench Tobias Harris. The Hail Mary of Hope was that..."Hey... It's a contract year for Tobias...Maybe just maybe he shows up in the playoffs. He's played decently enough in the first round and he's been running with Maxey and Joel for the last four+ years." Obviously we were a dead team walking with Joel playing on one knee along with the hollow hope that Tobias would show up. I actually thought he would play well against the Knicks. I liked the matchup for him from a size perspective...I was wrong.

In the end, it doesn't matter... He's gone, and thank God for that!