Olympics - OQT

[Ducklett]

Im not afraid to say it... this Germany vs Serbia game should ve the gold medal game after that ref-inspired games they both had.

One had some home cooked flavored calls while the other had star struck ref eyes with the other..

lol stop it

Honestly, France getting the home whistle has been discussed for every game they have had this Olympics. Go check out there game against japan.Japan. The whistle didn't make the Wagner boys and Schroder suck though, they did.

[OrlandoNed]

We are in trouble if Franz doesn’t fix his shot.

[Rainwater]

Im not afraid to say it... this Germany vs Serbia game should ve the gold medal game after that ref-inspired games they both had.

One had some home cooked flavored calls while the other had star struck ref eyes with the other..

lol stop it

Honestly, France getting the home whistle has been discussed for every game they have had this Olympics. Go check out there game against japan.Japan. The whistle didn't make the Wagner boys and Schroder suck though, they did.

Yes, but Germany didn't play well against France. It's not the refs who made them lose that game.

[eyriq]

The Canadian super team lost to the French, the German team lost to the French, neither medaled. Serbia was my bronze favorite at the beginning, anyway. Altogether, I'm proud of Franz and Moritz.

[Bakomagic]

My biggest takaway is notion that every single US superstar is at it's tail end of his career.

And you look guys like Hali, Tatum etc non of them is level of Steph, Curry, Lebron. Not even close actually.

Might as well see massive France domination in comming years. They just gave back to back 1# picks.

You think France is going to dominate the US in basketball haha, gladly take that bet.

People weirdly ignore that US has a talented group of young players that will also continue to develop and improve.

Halliburton/Brunson/D.Fox/Morant
Edwards/Booker/Maxey
Tatum/J.Williams/B. Miller
Paolo/Zion/Cooper Flag
J.Jackson/Chet/Evan Mobley

*I am sure I am missing several all star level players that will be available/worthy.

US will continue to be the prohibitive favorite due to their astonishing high level depth.

Non of people you mentioned are nowhere near as good as Lebron / Curry / Durant who are all top 20 players of all time.

Matter of fact they are so inferior talent vise to them, that 40 years old Lebron is still better than any other US player not named probably Kevin & Steph ( probably impact vise Embiid & Davis).

Take one of Lebron/Steph two days ago from US team and you would have Jokic beating US team by himself. They were literally 2 possessions away.
World cup showed execlly that. Wooden medal for US, being beaten by Germany and Canada.

Once you remove "old stars"; current NBA best players are mostly all international players. Giannis, Jokic, SGA, Luka are probably 4 out of 6-7 best players in the world. ( needless to say Embiid is as much of American as Jokic is , he just tagged along because he knows he will never win jack sh*** otherwise ).


But that's not all, France will be stacked.
Guy with biggest ceiling in basketball today- Victor.

2024 draft within top 6 selections has French players being taken: 1# , 2# and 6# + 25th pick
2025 early mocks have have Traore going 2# ( again, French player) + Noa Essengue will be probably lottery pick as well.

There is Coulibaly, whatever Ousmane Dieng can become etc.

So in 4 years they will have at *at least* 5 lottery selected players ( top 10) in that roster from 2023-2025 alone.

Is it given they will be "dominate" or even be great? No. But it would be foolish to not see all the upcomming talent on that roster to sleep on them.

Comparing the future US to this years US is irrelevant because they are not competing against each other.

What we are doing is comparing the future US vs Futire France.

It is way more “foolish” to say France is will have “massive dominance” over US.

France will have 5 lottery selected players in 4 years, US will have 20 in that period.

Wemby is awesome and the rest of the world is getting better so we should see more competitive battles for the gold from now on but…..

You were a little overzealous when you said France will be massively dominant over US.

[pepe1991]

You think France is going to dominate the US in basketball haha, gladly take that bet.

People weirdly ignore that US has a talented group of young players that will also continue to develop and improve.

Halliburton/Brunson/D.Fox/Morant
Edwards/Booker/Maxey
Tatum/J.Williams/B. Miller
Paolo/Zion/Cooper Flag
J.Jackson/Chet/Evan Mobley

*I am sure I am missing several all star level players that will be available/worthy.

US will continue to be the prohibitive favorite due to their astonishing high level depth.

Non of people you mentioned are nowhere near as good as Lebron / Curry / Durant who are all top 20 players of all time.

Matter of fact they are so inferior talent vise to them, that 40 years old Lebron is still better than any other US player not named probably Kevin & Steph ( probably impact vise Embiid & Davis).

Take one of Lebron/Steph two days ago from US team and you would have Jokic beating US team by himself. They were literally 2 possessions away.
World cup showed execlly that. Wooden medal for US, being beaten by Germany and Canada.

Once you remove "old stars"; current NBA best players are mostly all international players. Giannis, Jokic, SGA, Luka are probably 4 out of 6-7 best players in the world. ( needless to say Embiid is as much of American as Jokic is , he just tagged along because he knows he will never win jack sh*** otherwise ).


But that's not all, France will be stacked.
Guy with biggest ceiling in basketball today- Victor.

2024 draft within top 6 selections has French players being taken: 1# , 2# and 6# + 25th pick
2025 early mocks have have Traore going 2# ( again, French player) + Noa Essengue will be probably lottery pick as well.

There is Coulibaly, whatever Ousmane Dieng can become etc.

So in 4 years they will have at *at least* 5 lottery selected players ( top 10) in that roster from 2023-2025 alone.

Is it given they will be "dominate" or even be great? No. But it would be foolish to not see all the upcomming talent on that roster to sleep on them.

Comparing the future US to this years US is irrelevant because they are not competing against each other.

What we are doing is comparing the future US vs Futire France.

It is way more “foolish” to say France is will have “massive dominance” over US.

France will have 5 lottery selected players in 4 years, US will have 20 in that period.

Wemby is awesome and the rest of the world is getting better so we should see more competitive battles for the gold from now on but…..

You were a little overzealous when you said France will be massively dominant over US.

I guess my word framing wasn't good/ smart. Massive domination is strong word. But they should be really good. And Victor had way more "mega-stardom" in him than any current US player that is under age of 30.

And, IMO, US upcomming stars lack mega-stardom that Curry, Durant, Lebron had in past 15 years.
Even last Olympic games, without Durant there would be no gold for team US. Guy scored 29 out of 87 points in 5 points win vs France.
Vs Serbia Curry had crazy game to put them over a hump few days ago and once again it was heavy lifting of Lebron/Curry/Durant.

We already saw how team US looks without mega stars.
2019- loss vs Serbia, loss vs France , they ended up 7th.
2023- same story. 4th place.

I don't know. Nobody under age of 30 on team US really wows me. I guess that's why there is only one US player in current top 5 basketball players. ( and it's probably still Lebron, not Embiid)

[Driguez]

I still don’t miss Evan y’all

[pepe1991]

Steph.
Curry.

That was one for ages. Guy pretty much clinged both semifinals and finals with some of most incredible shooting you can ever see.

[RookieStar]

Franz statistics look better than he did during the game. Once we walled off the drive to the basket he was no threat.

Like i mentioned before... he is like Giannis. Only way to stop him especially going down is to build a wall. And like the Bucks before, Germany just didnt have the help to give Franz when the entire team is concentrating on him.

I would stop short of comparing him to Giannis, they are a different kind of players.

Not saying he is like GA as a player but.. its weird. Both him and early championship Giannis main offesnive arsenal is going down hard and /or taking it in the hole. Opponents just wall him off because they want him to shoot the 3s. Both are good defensive players.

With that said, GA impact on both offense and defense are probably double or triple Franz but in terms of how they play and how opponents game plan them.. eeerrily similar

[RookieStar]

Both Wagner brothers played bad, not a good look honestly

LOL there was a stretch where Moe was just taking it to Jokic and I thought... " Are we gonna see the irrational MoeSwagner that won us games by himself?? " Then naaaah he fell short. lol

[RookieStar]

Im not afraid to say it... this Germany vs Serbia game should ve the gold medal game after that ref-inspired games they both had.

One had some home cooked flavored calls while the other had star struck ref eyes with the other..

lol stop it

Honestly, France getting the home whistle has been discussed for every game they have had this Olympics. Go check out there game against japan.Japan. The whistle didn't make the Wagner boys and Schroder suck though, they did.

Agreed. I am not the first to say it nor will I be the last to say it. Go to the GB and check out the GT of France against JPN and CAN before GER... a lot of posters from different teams were already calling shenanigans on the whistle.

Also true the refs didn't take away Franz 3 lol

[RookieStar]

lol stop it

Honestly, France getting the home whistle has been discussed for every game they have had this Olympics. Go check out there game against japan.Japan. The whistle didn't make the Wagner boys and Schroder suck though, they did.

Yes, but Germany didn't play well against France. It's not the refs who made them lose that game.

Again.. as been stated by a lot, when GER had that 10pt lead and was about to run over FRA by breaking it wide open, a lot of questionable calls that deflated GER's momentum and enabled FRA to tie it up before the 1st half ended. The 2nd half was more or less fairly called but as been stated by others, damage has been done.

[Rainwater]

lol stop it

Honestly, France getting the home whistle has been discussed for every game they have had this Olympics. Go check out there game against japan.Japan. The whistle didn't make the Wagner boys and Schroder suck though, they did.

Agreed. I am not the first to say it nor will I be the last to say it. Go to the GB and check out the GT of France against JPN and CAN before GER... a lot of posters from different teams were already calling shenanigans on the whistle.

Also true the refs didn't take away Franz 3 lol

I feel like you are discounting how poorly Germany played against the French, this wasn’t all the Refs.

[RookieStar]

Non of people you mentioned are nowhere near as good as Lebron / Curry / Durant who are all top 20 players of all time.

Matter of fact they are so inferior talent vise to them, that 40 years old Lebron is still better than any other US player not named probably Kevin & Steph ( probably impact vise Embiid & Davis).

Take one of Lebron/Steph two days ago from US team and you would have Jokic beating US team by himself. They were literally 2 possessions away.
World cup showed execlly that. Wooden medal for US, being beaten by Germany and Canada.

Once you remove "old stars"; current NBA best players are mostly all international players. Giannis, Jokic, SGA, Luka are probably 4 out of 6-7 best players in the world. ( needless to say Embiid is as much of American as Jokic is , he just tagged along because he knows he will never win jack sh*** otherwise ).


But that's not all, France will be stacked.
Guy with biggest ceiling in basketball today- Victor.

2024 draft within top 6 selections has French players being taken: 1# , 2# and 6# + 25th pick
2025 early mocks have have Traore going 2# ( again, French player) + Noa Essengue will be probably lottery pick as well.

There is Coulibaly, whatever Ousmane Dieng can become etc.

So in 4 years they will have at *at least* 5 lottery selected players ( top 10) in that roster from 2023-2025 alone.

Is it given they will be "dominate" or even be great? No. But it would be foolish to not see all the upcomming talent on that roster to sleep on them.

Comparing the future US to this years US is irrelevant because they are not competing against each other.

What we are doing is comparing the future US vs Futire France.

It is way more “foolish” to say France is will have “massive dominance” over US.

France will have 5 lottery selected players in 4 years, US will have 20 in that period.

Wemby is awesome and the rest of the world is getting better so we should see more competitive battles for the gold from now on but…..

You were a little overzealous when you said France will be massively dominant over US.

I guess my word framing wasn't good/ smart. Massive domination is strong word. But they should be really good. And Victor had way more "mega-stardom" in him than any current US player that is under age of 30.

And, IMO, US upcomming stars lack mega-stardom that Curry, Durant, Lebron had in past 15 years.
Even last Olympic games, without Durant there would be no gold for team US. Guy scored 29 out of 87 points in 5 points win vs France.
Vs Serbia Curry had crazy game to put them over a hump few days ago and once again it was heavy lifting of Lebron/Curry/Durant.

We already saw how team US looks without mega stars.
2019- loss vs Serbia, loss vs France , they ended up 7th.
2023- same story. 4th place.

I don't know. Nobody under age of 30 on team US really wows me. I guess that's why there is only one US player in current top 5 basketball players. ( and it's probably still Lebron, not Embiid)

Thing is pepe.... how sure are we the FRA up-and-comers would even pan out? I remember when I too had high hopes when Hayes and Frank came into the league and they just busted out.

Victor of course is on his way to wrest Luka/Jokic's #1 in the world especially if both are content to just cruise and won't improve.

However, these new guys Sarr, Risch ,Coulibay etc etc could go anywhere in a few years to the MAX rookie extension talks to the open spot in Dwight /Cousins Taiwan basketball team.

Let's not mention the young guys of both SER and GER who are being developed. Topic, Djurisic also have the same potential as those French guys and the GER guys could finally replace the undersized Theis and the tiff Voightmann

[thelead]

We are in trouble if Franz doesn’t fix his shot.

Yup. I was on the ‘not worried’ bus 3 months into the season but this is a long stretch now. I can’t believe how many people are still ‘not worried’ especially now that he’s on a max contract. He needs to figure it out.

[RookieStar]

We are in trouble if Franz doesn’t fix his shot.

Yup. I was on the ‘not worried’ bus 3 months into the season but this is a long stretch now. I can’t believe how many people are still ‘not worried’ especially now that he’s on a max contract. He needs to figure it out.

Yeah... less than 2 months until Training Camp... if our opponents just freeze him out on the 3pt line, Paolo's spacing is gonna even be more tight.

[KillMonger]

We are in trouble if Franz doesn’t fix his shot.

Yup. I was on the ‘not worried’ bus 3 months into the season but this is a long stretch now. I can’t believe how many people are still ‘not worried’ especially now that he’s on a max contract. He needs to figure it out.

The reason i'm not worried is i've seen players go on season long funks and come back the next year fine.....It's definitely strange with franz though it's got to be in his head.....to struggle from 3 but shoot near 90% from the free throw? something needs tweaking for sure

[RookieStar]

We are in trouble if Franz doesn’t fix his shot.

Yup. I was on the ‘not worried’ bus 3 months into the season but this is a long stretch now. I can’t believe how many people are still ‘not worried’ especially now that he’s on a max contract. He needs to figure it out.

The reason i'm not worried is i've seen players go on season long funks and come back the next year fine.....It's definitely strange with franz though it's got to be in his head.....to struggle from 3 but shoot near 90% from the free throw? something needs tweaking for sure

What I find worrying is the strange shooting motion. Its like he places the ball in the middle before he raises it up to shoot. Just weird form for me

[KillMonger]

Yup. I was on the ‘not worried’ bus 3 months into the season but this is a long stretch now. I can’t believe how many people are still ‘not worried’ especially now that he’s on a max contract. He needs to figure it out.

The reason i'm not worried is i've seen players go on season long funks and come back the next year fine.....It's definitely strange with franz though it's got to be in his head.....to struggle from 3 but shoot near 90% from the free throw? something needs tweaking for sure

What I find worrying is the strange shooting motion. Its like he places the ball in the middle before he raises it up to shoot. Just weird form for me

it's a one motion from the middle and not from the hip....i don't think it's all that different from his rookie year where he shot better....but something needs to be tweaked, he's got some time to do it but franz himself said he's not too good at taking time off....he needs some rest

[KillMonger]

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