Steph Curry and the Gaslighting Campaign Against Him

[Loaded_Hollows]

It’s because Curry is so humble and plays team first basketball. If he was more of a braggart and demanded the ball more (and passed less) he’d be seen as worthy of awards. It’s silly.

He should get a giant tattoo that says “Chosen One”

[WarriorGM]

The nba voters actually live Steph tho


Harden somehow only has 7x all nba selections to his name with close to 13 years of all-nba play. The nba will still reward steph will all nba selections after he misses the plsyoffs

Love Steph? As I stated they've talked about him like a little kid saying his first words and telling him how smart he is.

Just because they downplay Steph doesn't mean he is the only one. I'd agree Harden is treated similarly. He's with Adidas right?

[Dupp]

Joker was the mvp of the tournament not lebron or Steph.

[EmpireFalls]

Steph had every chance to play better in the group stage.

Was it an “agenda” and “gaslighting” when he shot 1-9 with 4 fouls and had a negative plus minus vs Sudan? It’s also funny how through the entirety of your opening post the word “defense”, which is half the game, didn’t enter the conversation. I wonder why?

[WarriorGM]

First thought is stop talking about 'the media.' There is no 'the media' anymore, there are a million different sources of content and info now, many of the biggest ones owned by the usual corporate oligarchy but many not. The biggest ones tend to be the dumbest and most lowest common denominator, they just look for the easiest argument or controversy to repeat and there's even less effort to talk about a real question or do some real analysis than there is with the biggest news media. But those ones also tend to be the ones that the people keeping track and writing the histories aren't paying any attention to, and there are plenty of others. (Including many housed in the biggest media conglomerates).

If you're criticizing the media as a whole, start with this much larger set of different parts of it, who serve different audiences and purposes in the media-consumption landscape. It'll probably help you to figure out how much of this matters, and who needs to actually be convinced of what to make this situation better (or if the people who matter and/or are reachable actually already agree with you).

Well in this case the media isn't some obscure "they" it actually is the media literally. Media members are the ones who vote for things like FMVP. Not talking about the media would therefore be weirdly avoiding the people directly involved.

As for everyone else, well that includes us doesn't it? If everyone like myself doesn't express our opinion then where is this alternative perspective that doesn't come from the media going to come from?

Now is as good a time as any to voice an opinion. We just saw Curry be spectacular (again) and snubbed (again).

[Doranku]

LeBron, Joker, & Steph all had a case. Personally I would've given it to Steph because he was flat out legendary in the US' final two (most important) games. I can see the arguments for the other two, though. It is what it is. I doubt Curry is too upset about not receiving the award with how he played in the exhibition games & group stage anyway.

[warriorschamps]

Well OP I can't disagee. But we all know that's a Nike/Lebron/Klutch doing. Basically people like Nike and Klutch has tried to prop Lebron up his whole career to be something he isn't. Lebron despite stats, accolades, etc is an obviously inferior basketball player to Steph.

So obviously they were going to give Lebron the MVP. Not that meant anything. We all know Steph was the true MVP. He was the people MVP as well as you saw when he walked through the streets of Paris.

So Lebron won an MVP that hardly anything thinks he deserved. Who cares. We have eyes. We understand what happened. Lebron did all his damage against teams that couldn't compete.

But in the moments of truth, in the contests that mattered Lebron was practically worthless and couldn't do anything. You see Lebron rely of size and athleticism. And when that was taken away from him by smart teams like Serbia and France he looked bad. Pretty much the story of his NBA career. Like what the Spurs, Warriors and other smart team did to him. Piling up worthless stats with his team going nowhere.

Not Steph. He rely on skills and smarts so he is effective in any situation. Curry had to basically come take the ball out of Lebron hand at the end because he has seen that too many times. He knew Lebron was about to throw the game away like he almost did against the Spurs in 2013 until Ray Allen And Dwyane Wade saved his legacy. And of course Wade couldn't bail Lebron out in 2011 as much as he tried. But again that was a smart Dallas team. And even though they had way less talent they schooled Lebron on how to play basketball like Serbia and France was about to do until Steph thankfully stepped in and take control of the wheel.

Steph saved Lebron from being Lebronze times two.

[WarriorGM]

Steph had every chance to play better in the group stage.

Was it an “agenda” and “gaslighting” when he shot 1-9 with 4 fouls and had a negative plus minus vs Sudan? It’s also funny how through the entirety of your opening post the word “defense”, which is half the game, didn’t enter the conversation. I wonder why?

I may be wrong but my understanding is that a loss to South Sudan wouldn't have been fatal to gold medal aspirations. A loss to Serbia in their last game or to France would have been.

Defense could have been provided by others. The firepower to keep the team in it or to put the game away? Unless KD or Booker were going to raise their game to Steph's level it wasn't really obvious where it would be coming from.

The gaslighting isn't a result of this one decision. As I said there's a one-sided history of it.

[brackdan70]

A different opinion does not = Gaslighting.

[WarriorGM]

A different opinion does not = Gaslighting.

Treating the only unanimous MVP in league history as a supporting player is gaslighting.
Calling Curry incessantly the greatest shooter of all-time to deflect his argument to being the greatest player in the league and even possibly of all-time is gaslighting.
Curry = Lillard is gaslighting.
Doubting Curry could still lead a team to the playoffs after KD left when Curry had already done it before is gaslighting.

[CzBoobie]

Curry himself would laugh at you for this...

[WarriorGM]

Curry himself would laugh at you for this...

I'd be happy and honored if he saw this and he did.

[brackdan70]

A different opinion does not = Gaslighting.

Treating the only unanimous MVP in league history as a supporting player is gaslighting.
Calling Curry incessantly the greatest shooter of all-time to deflect his argument to being the greatest player in the league and even possibly of all-time is gaslighting.
Lillard = Curry is gaslighting.

These are differences of opinion. Gaslighting is denying actual reality to make someone else feel crazy or belittled.
Do you feel crazy or belittled if I say he is amazing player, one of the greatest of his generation but I don’t see the argument for GOAT.

Turning on the lights and claiming they are off and insinuating that you must be nuts if you see the lights…that’s gaslighting.
Or saying things like the Lakers 2021 championship doesn’t count because of Covid and the bubble. That’s Gaslighting.

With gaslighting there is an intent to deceive for the purpose of causing harm.

[WarriorGM]

A different opinion does not = Gaslighting.

Treating the only unanimous MVP in league history as a supporting player is gaslighting.
Calling Curry incessantly the greatest shooter of all-time to deflect his argument to being the greatest player in the league and even possibly of all-time is gaslighting.
Lillard = Curry is gaslighting.

These are differences of opinion. Gaslighting is denying actual reality to make someone else feel crazy or belittled.
Do you feel crazy or belittled if I say he is amazing player, one of the greatest of his generation but I don’t see the argument for GOAT.

Turning on the lights and claiming they are off and insinuating that you must be nuts if you see the lights…that’s gaslighting.
Or saying things like the Lakers 2021 championship doesn’t count because of Covid and the bubble. That’s Gaslighting.

With gaslighting there is an intent to deceive for the purpose of causing harm.

Well I perceive an intentional campaign to marginalize and belittle Curry's accomplishments.
So yes there's an intent to deceive. Yes there's an intent to harm his reputation by minimizing it.

Comparing Curry to Lillard as I said is like comparing LeBron to DeMar.

If you knew nothing about them and I told you DeMar = LeBron, when you later found out the truth would you think I was gaslighting you? Yes or no?

[dautjazz]

Lebron: 14.2ppg 6.8rpg 8.5apg 1.3spg .3bpg FG%: .660 3pt%: .308 FT%: .733

Curry: 14.8ppg 3.2rpg 2.5apg .7spg 0.0bpg FG%: .500 3pt%: .478 FT%: 1.00

Curry was fantastic the last couple of games, and you can argue all you want that they wouldn't have won without him because of his last two performances, but he struggled the first four games. It's an award for the entire tournament. Look at the stats, Lebron was clearly better overall, .6ppg difference because Curry was on fire two games doesn't negate the fact that he struggled the rest of the games.

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[Slacktard]

I feel like basketball fans 15-20 years ago were more willing to acknowledge good/great performances by NBA players (THEY HATED) in Olympic basketball than I've seen from people in threads.

Whether it be LeBron, Curry, Embiid, Jokic, whoever full-time REALGM haters... There have been so many of them carrying those blinders into the Olympic basketball discussions and refusing to acknowledge when they've been good or great. Likewise some of the most biased of fanboys refusing to acknowledge when a player wasn't great or simply outperformed by another player they don't want to give props to over 'their guy'.

I remember people who were the biggest of Kobe haters lavishing praise on him in the 2008 Olympics after the gold medal game.

[WarriorGM]

Lebron: 14.2ppg 6.8rpg 8.5apg 1.3spg .3bpg FG%: .660 3pt%: .308 FT%: .733

Curry: 14.8ppg 3.2rpg 2.5apg .7spg 0.0bpg FG%: .500 3pt%: .478 FT%: 1.00

Curry was fantastic the last couple of games, and you can argue all you want that they wouldn't have won without him because of his last two performances, but he struggled the first four games. It's an award for the entire tournament. Look at the stats, Lebron was clearly better overall, .6ppg difference because Curry was on fire two games doesn't negate the fact that he struggled the rest of the games.

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That's not really what bothers me. What bothers me is that one could make an assumption beforehand that if it was ever in doubt it will fall in LeBron's favor. And that is not just a result of this event. People for the past decade and a half have been preconditioned to expect it. That is what bothers me.

[brackdan70]

I just googled best nba players of all time. The first two hits had Curry 10th and 15th.
Look at his numbers vs Durrant in the 2017 finals. That’s hard to argue with. Durant was a beast.
Iguadola MVP….yes should have been Steph. That’s a difference of opinion. 2017 reg season MVP. Could have easily been Steph I agree. There were several guys right in there, super tight. Not gaslighting but a difference of opinion. Steph was the MVP the previous two years…was that gas lighting Lebron?
This Olympics…J mean they were both in the mix, no clear cut favorite to me. You wanted your guy to win and I get it.
It seems to me that Steph is fairly rated by Media and fans as one of the all time greats.

[warriorschamps]

We give Ray Allen so much credit for the shot he hit against the Spurs and deservedly so. It was one of the greatest shots in NBA history. But what isn't talked about enough is what happened right before that. Several Lebron missed jumpers and turnovers.

Why? Because the Spurs were a smart team and they knew if Lebron couldn't use his size and athleticism he would be in serious trouble. In fairness to Lebron he has improved his actual basketball skills a little bit since then. For instance he is now at least a competent shooter and not downright pitiful like he was at that point. Be he is still worlds apart from Steph in shooting, footwork, etc. Or I should say Steph is still worlds apart from him. Anyway I still don't get why Pop take Duncan out of the game. If Duncan was in he easily get that rebound and the championship would of been won. That happened a decade ago and I'm still pissed Pop took Duncan out. Would of helped as well if the Spurs could of made some f*cking free throws at the end as well.

Anyway that don't change the fact Lebron was atrocious in most of that series. But not surprising he was gifted another FMVP. But I know this. Fans know this. Steph know this. So Steph isn't bothered by the Lebron propaganda.

[Black Jack]

I'm not seeing it, he gets a ton of love for his incredible performances.

He's not a big man and can't do stuff like LeBron switching onto Jokic and doing a credible job defending. But when the game is at risk he can do what he did at the end of these last two games vs Serbia and France which is just shut it down with unbelievable shots.

LeBron was the tourney MVP and won that. If there was a final game MVP Steph would have won it.