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infinite11285 wrote:GregOden wrote:SweaterBae wrote:Jordan also played incredibly poorly on offense.
Didn't he average like 4.6 steals a game? I'm pretty sure he made it up with his defense.
4.6 steals a game against a bunch of roofers that dribbled with two hands isn't impressive.
The Bunk wrote:God I hate this fraudulent clown.
I've never wanted to punch someone in the face so badly. Really hoping to run into him at a game one day. I won't hesitate.
NZB2323 wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:NZB2323 wrote:
What team are you comparing them to? Do you believe that LeBron, Curry, and KD are in their prime? Are any of them better than Jokic? I hardly see how Magic losing to Jordan in practice is an indication that he was cooked.
He was cooked as a MVP player. Chris Mullin played more minutes per game than Magic for the Dream Team. LeBron, Curry, and KD are as good or better right now than that version of Chris Mullin and Magic received less minutes than he did.
Didn’t the Dream team win by an average of 40-50 points? Going by minutes per game in blowouts where the starters rest is a strange standard, especially when Mullin played 3 more minutes per game.
Slot Machine wrote:infinite11285 wrote:GregOden wrote:
Didn't he average like 4.6 steals a game? I'm pretty sure he made it up with his defense.
4.6 steals a game against a bunch of roofers that dribbled with two hands isn't impressive.
Well, that settles it. An Internet forum moderator with a massive predilection for LeBron has spoken.
He was more interested in playing 36 holes of golf everyday. The only games he really got up for were the two against Croatia which had 3 NBA players (Petrovic, Kukoc and Radja). People like to say that Magic and Bird were washed but Magic was only one year removed from the NBA Finals and a runner up MVP finish behind only Jordan. Bird put up a 49/14/12 against the Blazers (who were in their way to the Finals) in March of ‘92, only 4 months before the Olympics in Barcelona. He was obviously past his prime but he was still Bird. Team 2024 had three players older than Bird (Lebron at 39, Curry at 36 and Durant at 35). The Dream Teams IQ was greater than Team 2024 by a country mile. They were also way younger. Jordan, Ewing, Barkley, Malone and Mullin were all on their 20’s (29) while Pippen and Robinson were only 27. Stockton and Drexler both turned 30 less than 3 months before the Olympics. Team 24 had 7 out of 12 players north of 30 years of age. Just because Team 2024 struggled against South Sudan, Australia, Serbia and France doesn’t mean the Dream Team would. Team 2006 (with Lebron in uniform) lost to a team with ZERO NBA players. There’s no need to denigrate the Dream Team or downgrade their greatness in order to rationalize Team 2024’s struggles. The Dream Team would dominate in any era; too many Mount Rushmore guys, too many guys in their absolute primes, too much basketball IQ and the best offense/defense combo in history. infinite11285 wrote:Slot Machine wrote:infinite11285 wrote:
4.6 steals a game against a bunch of roofers that dribbled with two hands isn't impressive.
Well, that settles it. An Internet forum moderator with a massive predilection for LeBron has spoken.
I haven't mentioned or alluded to LeBron at all in this thread, but here you've brought him up. Going further, LeBron has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but it's clear he's on your mind.
Would you like to provide insight to counter my point about the (lack of) competition back then, or do you just want to engage in pointless trolling?
I can also prove this with simple math - searching our posts to see how many contain the word "LeBron":The Bunk wrote:God I hate this fraudulent clown.
I've never wanted to punch someone in the face so badly. Really hoping to run into him at a game one day. I won't hesitate.
zimpy27 wrote:The slowest guy in the 100m sprint this year was faster than the winner at the 1992 Olympics..
Most of Phelps records are broken. Everyone everywhere has peaked higher, fast, stronger than 1992.
Everywhere.. except the olympics. This is the logic people would have you believe.
Teams can't be transported from the past and expect to be as good now, all you can do is judge teams in their era. Obviously basketball wasn't as big internationally but all that tells you is you can't compare this team to that team.
SelfishPlayer wrote:NZB2323 wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:
Are you really going to bring up their competition? The Dream Team didn't play against a single NBA MVP or #1 overall draft pick.
The game has grown a lot internationally because of the dream team. What I’m saying is you can’t judge individual players on how good they are based off of minutes played in blowouts because in blowouts the starters rest. In the Gold Medal game Magic played 12 more minutes than Mullin. In fact, Magic led the team in minutes played in the gold medal game. He wasn’t cooked.
You aren't making sense. You say that in blowouts the starters sit but the gold medal game was a blowout and Magic played the most minutes. Magic sat out an entire year and was cooked as an MVP level player. He sat out an entire season he should never be considered to be on the same level of player as Curry, LeBron, and KD that never left the game.
Thaddy wrote:I can tell you right now the Bulls will collapse by mid season and will be fighting in or for the play in.
Remember it.
NZB2323 wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:NZB2323 wrote:
The game has grown a lot internationally because of the dream team. What I’m saying is you can’t judge individual players on how good they are based off of minutes played in blowouts because in blowouts the starters rest. In the Gold Medal game Magic played 12 more minutes than Mullin. In fact, Magic led the team in minutes played in the gold medal game. He wasn’t cooked.
You aren't making sense. You say that in blowouts the starters sit but the gold medal game was a blowout and Magic played the most minutes. Magic sat out an entire year and was cooked as an MVP level player. He sat out an entire season he should never be considered to be on the same level of player as Curry, LeBron, and KD that never left the game.
The Gold Medal game wasn’t as much of a blowout as other games. A 32 point win isn’t as much of a blowout as a 50 point win.
Durant was elite in the 2021 playoffs after sitting out a year. Jordan was still elite in the 95 playoffs after sitting out a year. Curry was elite in 2021 after sitting out a year. Magic was still elite.
SelfishPlayer wrote:The Mavs won playoff games without Luka
SelfishPlayer wrote:NZB2323 wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:
You aren't making sense. You say that in blowouts the starters sit but the gold medal game was a blowout and Magic played the most minutes. Magic sat out an entire year and was cooked as an MVP level player. He sat out an entire season he should never be considered to be on the same level of player as Curry, LeBron, and KD that never left the game.
The Gold Medal game wasn’t as much of a blowout as other games. A 32 point win isn’t as much of a blowout as a 50 point win.
Durant was elite in the 2021 playoffs after sitting out a year. Jordan was still elite in the 95 playoffs after sitting out a year. Curry was elite in 2021 after sitting out a year. Magic was still elite.
Magic wasn't even elite in the Olympics! Magic wasn't elite when he returned to the Lakers in 1995! You simply believe that he was elite and that is fine to hold your belief. The empirical data says otherwise.
Thaddy wrote:I can tell you right now the Bulls will collapse by mid season and will be fighting in or for the play in.
Remember it.
NZB2323 wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:NZB2323 wrote:
The Gold Medal game wasn’t as much of a blowout as other games. A 32 point win isn’t as much of a blowout as a 50 point win.
Durant was elite in the 2021 playoffs after sitting out a year. Jordan was still elite in the 95 playoffs after sitting out a year. Curry was elite in 2021 after sitting out a year. Magic was still elite.
Magic wasn't even elite in the Olympics! Magic wasn't elite when he returned to the Lakers in 1995! You simply believe that he was elite and that is fine to hold your belief. The empirical data says otherwise.
Magic wasn’t elite when he returned to the Lakers in 1996 after 4 years of not playing when he was 36. That’s not the same as being 32 and being 1 year removed from 2nd in MVP voting and leading your team to the Finals.
In the Olympics Magic averaged 16/11/5 on 57/46/80 shooting splits. He led the team in assists and was elite.
SelfishPlayer wrote:The Mavs won playoff games without Luka
SelfishPlayer wrote:NZB2323 wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:
Magic wasn't even elite in the Olympics! Magic wasn't elite when he returned to the Lakers in 1995! You simply believe that he was elite and that is fine to hold your belief. The empirical data says otherwise.
Magic wasn’t elite when he returned to the Lakers in 1996 after 4 years of not playing when he was 36. That’s not the same as being 32 and being 1 year removed from 2nd in MVP voting and leading your team to the Finals.
In the Olympics Magic averaged 16/11/5 on 57/46/80 shooting splits. He led the team in assists and was elite.
Magic Johnson averaged only 8 ppg for the Dream Team. I'm blocking you for lying.
Thaddy wrote:I can tell you right now the Bulls will collapse by mid season and will be fighting in or for the play in.
Remember it.
Slot Machine wrote:infinite11285 wrote:Slot Machine wrote:Well, that settles it. An Internet forum moderator with a massive predilection for LeBron has spoken.
I haven't mentioned or alluded to LeBron at all in this thread, but here you've brought him up. Going further, LeBron has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but it's clear he's on your mind.
Would you like to provide insight to counter my point about the (lack of) competition back then, or do you just want to engage in pointless trolling?
Brother, the vast majority of your posts have to do with LeBron, either directly or indirectly. I've been on this forum for 14+ years - you think it's not easy to see your agenda?
You: 5,493 results out of 21,220 - So roughly 25.9% of your posts contain the word LeBron or are in a thread title with his name - Link to the results in case you're curious: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author_id=93934
Me: 797 out of 6,627 - So roughly 12.0% of my posts contain the word LeBron or are in a thread title with his name - Link to results: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author_id=136680
I'll also take this time to point out that the vast majority of my posts about LeBron date back to game threads in the Miami Heat subforum from when he played for the team that I root for. It's interesting that I can't seem to remember what team you root for. However, I do remember that you were a staunch defender of LeBron and the Heat from 2010-2014 in the GB, followed by being a staunch defender of LeBron and the Cavs from 2014-2018 and then LeBron and the Lakers from 2018 to the present. That's very curious.
If it makes you feel any better, I would characterize zimpy27 in the exact same way, so you're not the only mod that loves LeBron agenda-posting on the GB.
To your "point", it's clear this thread is a LeBron/Jordan proxy war of sorts regarding their Olympic accomplishments. Which is why you jumped in to say that averaging 4.6 steals a game isn't impressive, to serve as a potshot to the competition that Jordan played, in order to big up the LeBron/current era side of the argument. That's foolish considering that Jordan led the Steals/36 minutes leaderboard in the tournament by a wide margin, 7.1 with the next closest at 5.6. If it's so unimpressive, why couldn't any other player come close?
Before you try to frame me as some bitter Jordan fan, LeBron has clearly played tougher competition than Jordan did at the Olympics, which makes LeBron's Olympic accomplishments relatively more impressive to me. I'm looking forward to your response.
infinite11285 wrote:Slot Machine wrote:infinite11285 wrote:
I haven't mentioned or alluded to LeBron at all in this thread, but here you've brought him up. Going further, LeBron has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but it's clear he's on your mind.
Would you like to provide insight to counter my point about the (lack of) competition back then, or do you just want to engage in pointless trolling?
Brother, the vast majority of your posts have to do with LeBron, either directly or indirectly. I've been on this forum for 14+ years - you think it's not easy to see your agenda?
You: 5,493 results out of 21,220 - So roughly 25.9% of your posts contain the word LeBron or are in a thread title with his name - Link to the results in case you're curious: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author_id=93934
Me: 797 out of 6,627 - So roughly 12.0% of my posts contain the word LeBron or are in a thread title with his name - Link to results: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author_id=136680
I'll also take this time to point out that the vast majority of my posts about LeBron date back to game threads in the Miami Heat subforum from when he played for the team that I root for. It's interesting that I can't seem to remember what team you root for. However, I do remember that you were a staunch defender of LeBron and the Heat from 2010-2014 in the GB, followed by being a staunch defender of LeBron and the Cavs from 2014-2018 and then LeBron and the Lakers from 2018 to the present. That's very curious.
If it makes you feel any better, I would characterize zimpy27 in the exact same way, so you're not the only mod that loves LeBron agenda-posting on the GB.
To your "point", it's clear this thread is a LeBron/Jordan proxy war of sorts regarding their Olympic accomplishments. Which is why you jumped in to say that averaging 4.6 steals a game isn't impressive, to serve as a potshot to the competition that Jordan played, in order to big up the LeBron/current era side of the argument. That's foolish considering that Jordan led the Steals/36 minutes leaderboard in the tournament by a wide margin, 7.1 with the next closest at 5.6. If it's so unimpressive, why couldn't any other player come close?
Before you try to frame me as some bitter Jordan fan, LeBron has clearly played tougher competition than Jordan did at the Olympics, which makes LeBron's Olympic accomplishments relatively more impressive to me. I'm looking forward to your response.
Wow, I had no idea I had my own personal historian tracking every mention of LeBron I’ve ever made—on a basketball forum, no less. That’s some serious dedication; should I be flattered, concerned, or just amused? But here’s the kicker: the only person obsessively dragging LeBron into this conversation is you. It's almost cute that you think proving I’m a LeBron fan somehow changes the fact that you're the one who can't stop bringing him up in this thread. Even better, you just proved nearly 75% of my posts have nothing to do with LeBron, but you’re implying I’m the one waging a “proxy war” in this thread.
My points were about the 1992 competition—believe it or not, I couldn’t care less how you feel about Jordan. The Dream Team steamrolled a bunch of bad teams. But it seems you’re more interested in playing 'Count the LeBron Mentions' than actually addressing what I said. Maybe next time, we can stick to the topic—unless, of course, you prefer to keep fixating on my so-called 'agenda.' Just let me know; I’m here to keep you entertained.
Here's your gentle reminder.The Bunk wrote:God I hate this fraudulent clown.
I've never wanted to punch someone in the face so badly. Really hoping to run into him at a game one day. I won't hesitate.
Slot Machine wrote:infinite11285 wrote:Slot Machine wrote:Brother, the vast majority of your posts have to do with LeBron, either directly or indirectly. I've been on this forum for 14+ years - you think it's not easy to see your agenda?
You: 5,493 results out of 21,220 - So roughly 25.9% of your posts contain the word LeBron or are in a thread title with his name - Link to the results in case you're curious: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author_id=93934
Me: 797 out of 6,627 - So roughly 12.0% of my posts contain the word LeBron or are in a thread title with his name - Link to results: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author_id=136680
I'll also take this time to point out that the vast majority of my posts about LeBron date back to game threads in the Miami Heat subforum from when he played for the team that I root for. It's interesting that I can't seem to remember what team you root for. However, I do remember that you were a staunch defender of LeBron and the Heat from 2010-2014 in the GB, followed by being a staunch defender of LeBron and the Cavs from 2014-2018 and then LeBron and the Lakers from 2018 to the present. That's very curious.
If it makes you feel any better, I would characterize zimpy27 in the exact same way, so you're not the only mod that loves LeBron agenda-posting on the GB.
To your "point", it's clear this thread is a LeBron/Jordan proxy war of sorts regarding their Olympic accomplishments. Which is why you jumped in to say that averaging 4.6 steals a game isn't impressive, to serve as a potshot to the competition that Jordan played, in order to big up the LeBron/current era side of the argument. That's foolish considering that Jordan led the Steals/36 minutes leaderboard in the tournament by a wide margin, 7.1 with the next closest at 5.6. If it's so unimpressive, why couldn't any other player come close?
Before you try to frame me as some bitter Jordan fan, LeBron has clearly played tougher competition than Jordan did at the Olympics, which makes LeBron's Olympic accomplishments relatively more impressive to me. I'm looking forward to your response.
Wow, I had no idea I had my own personal historian tracking every mention of LeBron I’ve ever made—on a basketball forum, no less. That’s some serious dedication; should I be flattered, concerned, or just amused? But here’s the kicker: the only person obsessively dragging LeBron into this conversation is you. It's almost cute that you think proving I’m a LeBron fan somehow changes the fact that you're the one who can't stop bringing him up in this thread. Even better, you just proved nearly 75% of my posts have nothing to do with LeBron, but you’re implying I’m the one waging a “proxy war” in this thread.
My points were about the 1992 competition—believe it or not, I couldn’t care less how you feel about Jordan. The Dream Team steamrolled a bunch of bad teams. But it seems you’re more interested in playing 'Count the LeBron Mentions' than actually addressing what I said. Maybe next time, we can stick to the topic—unless, of course, you prefer to keep fixating on my so-called 'agenda.' Just let me know; I’m here to keep you entertained.
For someone who was warning me to stay on topic after my initial post, you seem to have completely forgotten to reply to my point about Jordan's Olympic steals average and why it actually isn't impressive according to you.
Smarten up, Mr. Moderator.
TheGOATRises007 wrote:Obviously the international competition is better now.
I don't see why we need to diminish the Dream Team's accomplishments though. They've paved the way for the international game to grow.
We don't need to compare teams when the environment is so different.
infinite11285 wrote:Slot Machine wrote:infinite11285 wrote:I also pointed out earlier in the thread that the toughest player the Dream Team faced in the ‘92 Olympics was an undrafted Toni Kukoc.
bdp31770 wrote:infinite11285 wrote:Slot Machine wrote:
Petrovich, Shrempf, Sabonis, and Marcilionis were all arguably better than Kukoc at that point.
Bank Shot wrote:No, everyone knows the Dream Team didn't play anyone.
I don't think the current competition is all that either though. Jokic plus a solid role player isn't anything to write home about. France is a guy with 71 NBA games under his belt, an ancient Batum, and Fournier who may not play another game in the league. Both teams played the US tough, but I think that says more about the issues with this year's US squad than either team.