Cleveland and Houston

[JJ_PR]

Cleveland gets: Tari Eason
Houston gets: Jaylon Tyson, draft rights to Luke Travers, 2030 unprotected swap, 2031 unprotected first and 5 second round picks of their choice.

Why?
Cleveland gets their starting SF.
Houston gets a nice package for a guy who plays their strongest position.

PG: Darius Garland / Craig Porter Jr. / Ty Jerome
SG: Donovan Mitchell / Max Strus / Sam Merrill
SF: Tari Eason / Caris LeVert / Isaac Okoro
PF: Evan Mobley / Dean Wade / Georges Niang
C: Jarrett Allen / Khalifa Diop
Coach: Kenny Atkinson

Edit: Re-sign Okoro 4 years, $40 million

[Xman]

Everyone wants to steal Eason. Question is Houston cannot pay them all. He’s worth more but they need booker or other star. So, who wants those picks.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean an unprotected 1st, an unprotected swap and other stuff isn't stealing Eason. I don't blame you for not wanting to trade him(though Houston can't pay all these rookie contract guys, choices need to be made), but we don't have to call that much value stealing.

[LarsV8]

Eason isn't available.

You are welcome to bid on Dillon Brooks if you need a 3.

[MoreyWins]

Everyone wants to steal Eason. Question is Houston cannot pay them all. He’s worth more but they need booker or other star. So, who wants those picks.

What cap percentage do you think each player from the Rockets will command? I have it as:
25%: Sengun
20%: Green
20%: Jabari
20%: Tari
25%: Amen
20%: Cam
20%: Reed

That would equal to 210 million in salary in today's money for those seven, but all of them won't be on their second deal together until 2027 or 2028. There's a progressive salary cap increase coming that might make it easier to afford the group of guys they want to keep. I'd say a choice between Cam and Green will be made, and out of Jabari and Tari I would assume Jabari would be the one moved.

[louc1970]

Everyone wants to steal Eason. Question is Houston cannot pay them all. He’s worth more but they need booker or other star. So, who wants those picks.

What is Eason worth?
He is a reserve with potential. He sits behind several players who are similarly aged.

[Xman]

[quote="MoreyWins"][quote="Xman"]Everyone wants to steal Eason. Question is Houston cannot pay them all. He’s worth more but they need booker or other star. So, who wants those picks.[/quote]
What cap percentage do you think each player from the Rockets will command? I have it as:
25%: Sengun
20%: Green
20%: Jabari
20%: Tari
25%: Amen
20%: Cam
20%: Reed

That would equal to 210 million in salary in today's money for those seven, but all of them won't be on their second deal together until 2027 or 2028. There's a progressive salary cap increase coming that might make it easier to afford the group of guys they want to keep. I'd say a choice between Cam and Green will be made, and out of Jabari and Tari I would assume Jabari would be the one moved.[/quote]

Some of those guys will flop. Green is on the hot seat to show he can repeat his April performance or he will be shipped.
Jabari and Tari have shown enough talent. Just a matter of price.
Cam and Amen need to improve or they probably get traded in a package.

[Kiss of Death]

The Core 7 is called the Core 7 for a reason. Once Houston clears out the contracts of FVV and Brooks, likely both by next off-season, these are your core rotation guys going forward.

C - Sengun
PF - Smith/Eason
SF - Eason/Thompson
SG - Green/Whitmore
PG - Thompson/Sheppard

As far as 'They cannot pay them all!', they are not all max level players at this point.

Both Eason and Thompson are starter level players already, and they will most likely be starters by the beginning of next season.

To quote the OP: 'Cleveland gets their starting SF.'



TL;DR:
The Rockets CAN make some major moves this season, but why would they? They don't have to. Yet.

[jbk1234]

The Cavs would never offer those picks irl. They're not the Bucks trying to extend their window with a once-in-a-generation player in Giannis. They're not the Clippers trying to win at least one ring while PG and Leonard are still on the roster. They're not going to eat that much seed corn and they're definitely not going to do it for a backup SF.

[louc1970]

The Core 7 is called the Core 7 for a reason. Once Houston clears out the contracts of FVV and Brooks, likely both by next off-season, these are your core rotation guys going forward.

C - Sengun
PF - Smith/Eason
SF - Eason/Thompson
SG - Green/Whitmore
PG - Thompson/Sheppard

As far as 'They cannot pay them all!', they are not all max level players at this point.

Both Eason and Thompson are starter level players already, and they will most likely be starters by the beginning of next season.

To quote the OP: 'Cleveland gets their starting SF.'



TL;DR:
The Rockets CAN make some major moves this season, but why would they? They don't have to. Yet.

If Thompson is a consistent starter, that team is playing the play-in game at best. Shoots horribly.

[wemby]

Houston gets: Jaylon Tyson, draft rights to Luke Travers, 2030 unprotected swap, 2031 unprotected first and 5 second round picks of their choice.

This package is ridiculously high for a backup who has shown little that would point to a star outcome. Regardless of what anyone says, Rockets 100% take this and run, but of course Cavs wouldn't offer this. Anyone pretending otherwise is clueless.

[wemby]

The Core 7 is called the Core 7 for a reason. Once Houston clears out the contracts of FVV and Brooks, likely both by next off-season, these are your core rotation guys going forward.

C - Sengun
PF - Smith/Eason
SF - Eason/Thompson
SG - Green/Whitmore
PG - Thompson/Sheppard

As far as 'They cannot pay them all!', they are not all max level players at this point.

Both Eason and Thompson are starter level players already, and they will most likely be starters by the beginning of next season.

As soon one year from now (season 25-26), Sengun and Green will have to be paid, Sengun surely for a max, and Green won't be cheap (might be traded before then though). Rockets can unload Van Vleet's contract if they want to.
2 years from now (season 26-27) it's Jabari Smith Jr and Tari Eason's turn to get paid. I think chances are high Jabari will command a max or very close. Van Vleet's contract (team option year) ends.
3 years from now (season 27-28) it would be Amen Thompson and Cam Whitmore's turn.
By this point, Rockets would have 2 max rookie extensions or close (Sengun and Jabari Smith Jr.) and a few other players who won´t come cheap, they'll have to make some tough choices because they can't pay them all, so talking about a "core 7" sounds a bit exaggerated. But they can keep it going for a while and it'd be a good problem to have if they get there.

[Kiss of Death]

The Core 7 is called the Core 7 for a reason. Once Houston clears out the contracts of FVV and Brooks, likely both by next off-season, these are your core rotation guys going forward.

C - Sengun
PF - Smith/Eason
SF - Eason/Thompson
SG - Green/Whitmore
PG - Thompson/Sheppard

As far as 'They cannot pay them all!', they are not all max level players at this point.

Both Eason and Thompson are starter level players already, and they will most likely be starters by the beginning of next season.

To quote the OP: 'Cleveland gets their starting SF.'



TL;DR:
The Rockets CAN make some major moves this season, but why would they? They don't have to. Yet.

If Thompson is a consistent starter, that team is playing the play-in game at best. Shoots horribly.

Yet the Rockets went 13-1 with Amen as a starter last March, including 11 in a row.

[Xman]

[quote="Kiss of Death"][quote="louc1970"][quote="Kiss of Death"]The Core 7 is called the Core 7 for a reason. Once Houston clears out the contracts of FVV and Brooks, likely both by next off-season, these are your core rotation guys going forward.

C - Sengun
PF - Smith/Eason
SF - Eason/Thompson
SG - Green/Whitmore
PG - Thompson/Sheppard

As far as 'They cannot pay them all!', they are not all max level players at this point.

Both Eason and Thompson are starter level players already, and they will most likely be starters by the beginning of next season.

To quote the OP: 'Cleveland gets their starting SF.'



TL;DR:
The Rockets CAN make some major moves this season, but why would they? They don't have to. Yet.[/quote]
If Thompson is a consistent starter, that team is playing the play-in game at best. Shoots horribly.[/quote]

Yet the Rockets went 13-1 with Amen as a starter last March, including 11 in a row.[/quote]

Green and Amen had a great March. If they can repeat that, then studs. Of course, Amen did everything but hit from outside. If his shot is better then watch out. If it doesn’t improve then he will be more of a really good role player.

[bgrep14]

What is this! Cavs are not trading 2 firsts, a pick swap, and 5 2nds for Eason lol…Hardest pass you can make, when did Eason get close to this type of value?

[louc1970]

The Core 7 is called the Core 7 for a reason. Once Houston clears out the contracts of FVV and Brooks, likely both by next off-season, these are your core rotation guys going forward.

C - Sengun
PF - Smith/Eason
SF - Eason/Thompson
SG - Green/Whitmore
PG - Thompson/Sheppard

As far as 'They cannot pay them all!', they are not all max level players at this point.

Both Eason and Thompson are starter level players already, and they will most likely be starters by the beginning of next season.

To quote the OP: 'Cleveland gets their starting SF.'



TL;DR:
The Rockets CAN make some major moves this season, but why would they? They don't have to. Yet.

If Thompson is a consistent starter, that team is playing the play-in game at best. Shoots horribly.

Yet the Rockets went 13-1 with Amen as a starter last March, including 11 in a row.

And Cleveland had a better record without Garland. Still would rather have him on the team than off.

No team is going anywhere with a starting guard shooting under 15% from 3. If a team wants to beat Houston you make him shoot.
Ben Simmons is a better shooter!!!

[Kiss of Death]

If Thompson is a consistent starter, that team is playing the play-in game at best. Shoots horribly.

Yet the Rockets went 13-1 with Amen as a starter last March, including 11 in a row.

And Cleveland had a better record without Garland. Still would rather have him on the team than off.

No team is going anywhere with a starting guard shooting under 15% from 3. If a team wants to beat Houston you make him shoot.
Ben Simmons is a better shooter!!!

You literally make trade proposals on here that look like:

Rockets trade Sengun, Jalen, Eason, Amen, Cam, Smith and Sheppard, plus 6 first round picks
for
Jordan Poole
and Bradley Beal.

Your agenda has already been exposed.

[toooskies]

Well, here's the thing: most teams can't and don't keep a "core 7". Because after you identify a few members of your core, you start to build around them at the expense of other players.

At some point Eason will get frustrated with being a bench player despite having starter-level talent. (Although he didn't in college, so maybe that's totally wrong.) Houston might be able to overpay him to stay in a bench role, but at some point-- particularly without a top-line superstar-- they need to look at consolidation trades. This is not that and that's a simple reason to turn this deal down, but getting good future value now might be better than the options on the table when their consolidation trade comes around.

[louc1970]

Yet the Rockets went 13-1 with Amen as a starter last March, including 11 in a row.

And Cleveland had a better record without Garland. Still would rather have him on the team than off.

No team is going anywhere with a starting guard shooting under 15% from 3. If a team wants to beat Houston you make him shoot.
Ben Simmons is a better shooter!!!

You literally make trade proposals on here that look like:

Rockets trade Sengun, Jalen, Eason, Amen, Cam, Smith and Sheppard, plus 6 first round picks
for
Jordan Poole
and Bradley Beal.

Your agenda has already been exposed.

I have no agenda. Every fan overvalues their teams players. It is that simple.
Eason is a reserve and Rocket fans want him to get Gobert value. Same as Pelicans fans valuing Murphy and Jones. same as....

I asked before, and will ask again, what do think Eason is worth on the trade market? Who do YOU see as has equals?

[ThatBoyNick]

I have no agenda. Every fan overvalues their teams players. It is that simple.
Eason is a reserve and Rocket fans want him to get Gobert value. Same as Pelicans fans valuing Murphy and Jones. same as....

I asked before, and will ask again, what do think Eason is worth on the trade market? Who do YOU see as has equals?

The crux of the issue is Houston would have no business trading Eason for market value. It takes a stupid overpay to get something somebody doesn’t want to sell.

If Eason was theoretically going for market value, I think a single pick in the 6-10 range depending on the draft and who’s available

Or two picks in the 12-16 range, or 3+ late first in the 18+ range

Would be fair market value using picks as the barometer. But again, what good does that do if he’s not available for that price. Similar to say Lively for the Mavs, or say Aaron Gordon for the Nuggets, why would vital role players who make significant impacts for their team just be sold for market value?