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Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs?

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Re: Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs? 

Post#21 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Aug 12, 2024 11:46 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:Ask yourself are you comfortable with our current core to throw our lottery pick away for a playoff birth?

This seems like our last year of being a bad team. Pretty soon Miller is going to develop his body and game. If Melo stays healthy this team is going to be in the playoffs on a consistent basis imo.

I think we should look to add another top pick in a loaded draft. Even if we don't get #1 maybe we end up #2 and get Bailey.

This draft is much much better than the 24 draft. I would like to see us add 1 more difference maker to add with Melo/Miller/Mark. I would hate to give our lottery pick to the Spurs for a playoff birth.


None of this is going to matter because the players are going to play as hard as they can and I highly doubt the coaches start sitting players if we're even remotely close to .500. Just let the season play out and whatever happens happens.
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Re: Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs? 

Post#22 » by JustBuzzin » Tue Aug 13, 2024 12:38 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Ask yourself are you comfortable with our current core to throw our lottery pick away for a playoff birth?

This seems like our last year of being a bad team. Pretty soon Miller is going to develop his body and game. If Melo stays healthy this team is going to be in the playoffs on a consistent basis imo.

I think we should look to add another top pick in a loaded draft. Even if we don't get #1 maybe we end up #2 and get Bailey.

This draft is much much better than the 24 draft. I would like to see us add 1 more difference maker to add with Melo/Miller/Mark. I would hate to give our lottery pick to the Spurs for a playoff birth.


None of this is going to matter because the players are going to play as hard as they can and I highly doubt the coaches start sitting players if we're even remotely close to .500. Just let the season play out and whatever happens happens.
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Re: Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs? 

Post#23 » by Snidely FC » Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:35 am

eh just play Tidjane Salaun a ton of minutes after the All-Star break and you keep the pick
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Re: Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs? 

Post#24 » by vorbis » Tue Aug 13, 2024 3:47 pm

this team is not comparable to the Big Al team that made the playoffs, not even close. there's an obvious youth movement afoot and if this group as currently constructed makes the playoffs, it will definitely be a good culture-building accomplishment.

that said, I think any talk of tanking is moot as those decisions are really made in the off-season. i.e. they have already happened. look at the tea leaves.

this front office is willing to be patient with the roster to build a more sustainable future. that is a good thing. the players are going to do their best and we'll see where that lands them.

I personally think it's possible for them to make the playoffs as currently constructed, but luck in health and reasonable development from young players will be necessary for that to happen. there should not be a hint of trying to snuff the potential of this team in the service of some pick (that is decided by a l o t t e r y b t w) in the next draft. appreciating the good prospects on the horizon but that's the case nearly every year.

let the team strive for their best and live with the outcome. feel good if it means playoffs, pour energy into drafting the right guy if it means top 5 pick.
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Re: Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs? 

Post#25 » by Chapelchilla » Tue Aug 13, 2024 5:34 pm

We might be surprised at how good this team actually is with real coaching and a fully realized program. If we are winning , aka over .500 at the All Star Break, you gotta go with it. If they are not, go ahead and play the youngins extra in March.
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Re: Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs? 

Post#26 » by JustBuzzin » Tue Aug 13, 2024 5:43 pm

Chapelchilla wrote:We might be surprised at how good this team actually is with real coaching and a fully realized program. If we are winning , aka over .500 at the All Star Break, you gotta go with it. If they are not, go ahead and play the youngins extra in March.

Playoffs wouldn't shock me, but our season really comes down to Melo staying healthy.

They love to disrespect Melo on the GB, but look at his numbers when he plays he's a All-NBA caliber player. I call him a flashy version of Haliburton. Without Melo I think we are destined for lottery. I'm looking for Miller to become a Nat'l name this season. He got overlooked because of Wemby and Chet being rookies. Any other season this dude is a big deal.


Like I said I prefer to tank, but a chance to watch this team in the playoffs would be amazing. Just not sure I want to lose our lottery pick to the Spurs. They already took Wemby from us.
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Re: Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs? 

Post#27 » by countryboi » Fri Aug 16, 2024 6:24 pm

im sick of tanking for this next guy, lets trying being decent for once..
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Re: Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs? 

Post#28 » by Braggins » Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:18 pm

Snidely FC wrote:eh just play Tidjane Salaun a ton of minutes after the All-Star break and you keep the pick

Yeah, its a pretty simple situation. All they have to do is not make any win-now trades and give some development minutes and they will have like a 90% chance of keeping their pick. The most drastic thing they might have to do would probably be trading Grant Williams. Winning 30-40 games and missing the playoffs is the ideal outcome this season. Be good/competitive enough that the fans can enjoy the product and feel good about a significant increase in wins, but just don't make the playoffs.

After this season they will have a better idea at what they need to add to their core and will have a lotto pick in a stacked draft plus all the cap space theyve been saving to make their push towards legitimate playoff contention. Being impatient is the worst thing they could do right now. Pretty much everything we've seen them do this offseason indicates they are taking the patient route.

If they were to give up assets to make a trade for a playoff push this season, you should technically add their pick they will lose this season to the cost of whatever they were to give up in the trade. Win-now moves this season basically have an added tax of losing a valuable lottery pick. It would be poor asset management to go this route (and exactly what MJ/Cho/Mitch would have done).
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Re: Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs? 

Post#29 » by JDR720 » Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:34 pm

Yes, this isn't really tanking or playoffs situation.

We don't need to tank, simply not make the playoffs. We could easily end up in a Houston situation where we miss the playoffs by a game or two and the end up in the top 5 picks due to the new lottery odds.

This is basically what Dallas did to keep their pick that turned into Lively. And Houston added Reed who looks like a potential ROY candidate if he plays enough.


That's way better than being curb stomped by Boston/Philly/Knicks/Bucks in the 1st round. There is really no upside in making the playoffs this year unless we can potentially win the division or get a top 5 seed.
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Re: Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs? 

Post#30 » by EmpireFalls » Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:52 pm

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Snidely FC wrote:eh just play Tidjane Salaun a ton of minutes after the All-Star break and you keep the pick

Yeah, its a pretty simple situation. All they have to do is not make any win-now trades and give some development minutes and they will have like a 90% chance of keeping their pick. The most drastic thing they might have to do would probably be trading Grant Williams. Winning 30-40 games and missing the playoffs is the ideal outcome this season. Be good/competitive enough that the fans can enjoy the product and feel good about a significant increase in wins, but just don't make the playoffs.

After this season they will have a better idea at what they need to add to their core and will have a lotto pick in a stacked draft plus all the cap space theyve been saving to make their push towards legitimate playoff contention. Being impatient is the worst thing they could do right now. Pretty much everything we've seen them do this offseason indicates they are taking the patient route.

If they were to give up assets to make a trade for a playoff push this season, you should technically add their pick they will lose this season to the cost of whatever they were to give up in the trade. Win-now moves this season basically have an added tax of losing a valuable lottery pick. It would be poor asset management to go this route (and exactly what MJ/Cho/Mitch would have done).

Moreover it’s also the right basketball decision to let it play out and allow Lee to do what we brought him here for - coach. Give him an honest, full season, see what our flaws look like, see how Miles, Melo, Brandon, and Mark actually play together.

This should be an assessment season above all else.
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Re: Tank for Flagg or Buzzin for the playoffs? 

Post#31 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Aug 17, 2024 12:44 am

JDR720 wrote:Yes, this isn't really tanking or playoffs situation.

We don't need to tank, simply not make the playoffs. We could easily end up in a Houston situation where we miss the playoffs by a game or two and the end up in the top 5 picks due to the new lottery odds.

This is basically what Dallas did to keep their pick that turned into Lively. And Houston added Reed who looks like a potential ROY candidate if he plays enough.


That's way better than being curb stomped by Boston/Philly/Knicks/Bucks in the 1st round. There is really no upside in making the playoffs this year unless we can potentially win the division or get a top 5 seed.
A top 5 pick would be cool with me. Tanking was probably the wrong word by me. You're right about the new lottery odds. Be competitive but don't make the playoffs. We absolutely can't lose our lottery pick in this upcoming draft. There are quality prospects even after Flagg. We could add 1 more foundation piece with Melo/Miller and we are on our way to success in the coming years.

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