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Post#441 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Wed Aug 7, 2024 1:59 pm

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CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Are just going to ignore this guy can barely even get on the floor for France team that hasn't played all that well?

Yes.

I'm not really interested in his performance in a new role on a new team in just a few months after completing the season. I'll wait until November after a full offseason of training plus a training camp and preseason before I worry about his progress.


Okay, so it's just a total ignore job that Fournier is outplaying (among others) him? Bilal has supposed great natural gifts, but he's an after thought and can't even outplay a Frank Ntilikina? I mean, yeah I get FIBA is a different beast, but you can't tell me it wouldn't be a hell of a lot more encouraging that we wasn't getting benched for the likes of Fournier and Ntilikina.
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#442 » by nate33 » Wed Aug 7, 2024 2:07 pm

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CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Are just going to ignore this guy can barely even get on the floor for France team that hasn't played all that well?

Yes.

I'm not really interested in his performance in a new role on a new team in just a few months after completing the season. I'll wait until November after a full offseason of training plus a training camp and preseason before I worry about his progress.


Okay, so it's just a total ignore job that Fournier is outplaying (among others) him? Bilal has supposed great natural gifts, but he's an after thought and can't even outplay a Frank Ntilikina? I mean, yeah I get FIBA is a different beast, but you can't tell me it wouldn't be a hell of a lot more encouraging that we wasn't getting benched for the likes of Fournier and Ntilikina.

Coaches trust veterans. I'm just not worried about it.
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#443 » by Kanyewest » Wed Aug 7, 2024 2:12 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Are just going to ignore this guy can barely even get on the floor for France team that hasn't played all that well?

France played very well against Canada.
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#444 » by AFM » Wed Aug 7, 2024 3:01 pm

This kid is a massive bust
Should have traded him and not Deni
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#445 » by smoothSeph » Wed Aug 7, 2024 4:50 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
nate33 wrote:
CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Are just going to ignore this guy can barely even get on the floor for France team that hasn't played all that well?

Yes.

I'm not really interested in his performance in a new role on a new team in just a few months after completing the season. I'll wait until November after a full offseason of training plus a training camp and preseason before I worry about his progress.


Okay, so it's just a total ignore job that Fournier is outplaying (among others) him? Bilal has supposed great natural gifts, but he's an after thought and can't even outplay a Frank Ntilikina? I mean, yeah I get FIBA is a different beast, but you can't tell me it wouldn't be a hell of a lot more encouraging that we wasn't getting benched for the likes of Fournier and Ntilikina.

Fournier is not a bum, and Ntilikina is a point guard. I'd be more concerned if they had a raw wing taking minutes from him.
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#446 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Wed Aug 7, 2024 5:17 pm

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nate33 wrote:Yes.

I'm not really interested in his performance in a new role on a new team in just a few months after completing the season. I'll wait until November after a full offseason of training plus a training camp and preseason before I worry about his progress.


Okay, so it's just a total ignore job that Fournier is outplaying (among others) him? Bilal has supposed great natural gifts, but he's an after thought and can't even outplay a Frank Ntilikina? I mean, yeah I get FIBA is a different beast, but you can't tell me it wouldn't be a hell of a lot more encouraging that we wasn't getting benched for the likes of Fournier and Ntilikina.

Fournier is not a bum, and Ntilikina is a point guard. I'd be more concerned if they had a raw wing taking minutes from him.


Evan Fournier is a massive bum, his NBA game has fallen off a cliff. He was always a pretty huge liability on defense, but his offense has been atrocious for the past two seasons. Ntilikina was playing the majority the 2 his last couple of seasons in the the league with some meaningful minutes at the 3 as well.
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#447 » by smoothSeph » Wed Aug 7, 2024 5:23 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
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CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
Okay, so it's just a total ignore job that Fournier is outplaying (among others) him? Bilal has supposed great natural gifts, but he's an after thought and can't even outplay a Frank Ntilikina? I mean, yeah I get FIBA is a different beast, but you can't tell me it wouldn't be a hell of a lot more encouraging that we wasn't getting benched for the likes of Fournier and Ntilikina.

Fournier is not a bum, and Ntilikina is a point guard. I'd be more concerned if they had a raw wing taking minutes from him.


Evan Fournier is a massive bum, his NBA game has fallen off a cliff. He was always a pretty huge liability on defense, but his offense has been atrocious for the past two seasons. Ntilikina was playing the majority the 2 his last couple of seasons in the the league with some meaningful minutes at the 3 as well.

Like you said, FIBA is a different beast. Fournier has been better in FIBA than NBA for years now. You can't compare either of their production in the NBA to their role on the national team.
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#448 » by dckingsfan » Wed Aug 7, 2024 5:27 pm

doclinkin wrote:Shoot. I’ll give him next season and offseason as well. He was the youngest player in the draft last year. We are looking for flashes not a complete player. I just want to see him earn productive minutes here and there and not be Johnny Davis’ed on the deep bench or the G league.

Right! He is really young, was raw when we drafted him, is still growing, and is going to transition from (essentially) guard to PF over the next two seasons.

I mean, let's be a bit patient here. He is shown that he is a willing defender and will be able to stretch the D over time with his 3-point shot.

He should be fine in two seasons and will continue to improve for the next 3-5 years after that (if we believe that he works as hard as it is made out to be).
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#449 » by closg00 » Thu Aug 8, 2024 4:52 pm

Anyone watching France vs Germany? It has been quite the battle. (Bilal has not played yet)
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#450 » by leswizards » Sat Aug 10, 2024 7:55 pm

France has been saving Bilal Coulibaly to lead them to the gold medal. Jk.
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Post#451 » by Kanyewest » Sat Aug 10, 2024 10:22 pm

First Wizard Olympics medalist that I can remember.
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Post#452 » by closg00 » Sat Aug 10, 2024 11:16 pm

They gave him some run deep in the 4th, he will be ready for the next Olympics despite air balling and missing a bunny.
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Post#453 » by leswizards » Sun Aug 11, 2024 12:46 pm

closg00 wrote:They gave him some run deep in the 4th, he will be ready for the next Olympics despite air balling and missing a bunny.


They gave him some run early in the game as well. The second quarter I think. He played well and France went on a run and took the lead. But then he missed a defensive assignment and they pulled him.
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#454 » by closg00 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 3:34 pm

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closg00 wrote:They gave him some run deep in the 4th, he will be ready for the next Olympics despite air balling and missing a bunny.


They gave him some run early in the game as well. The second quarter I think. He played well and France went on a run and took the lead. But then he missed a defensive assignment and they pulled him.


Good point, IF Bilal gains confidence the next couple of years in his decision-making and shooting, gets some swag and bag, he could be very good, but it’s hard to tell now if his hesitation on offense is going to be fatal for him, his comfort zone is slashing and dunking.
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#455 » by nate33 » Sun Aug 11, 2024 4:36 pm

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closg00 wrote:They gave him some run deep in the 4th, he will be ready for the next Olympics despite air balling and missing a bunny.


They gave him some run early in the game as well. The second quarter I think. He played well and France went on a run and took the lead. But then he missed a defensive assignment and they pulled him.


Good point, IF Bilal gains confidence the next couple of years in his decision-making and shooting, gets some swag and bag, he could be very good, but it’s hard to tell now if his hesitation on offense is going to be fatal for him, his comfort zone is slashing and dunking.

The great thing about Bilal is that he has a high floor. He is already a pretty sure bet to pan out as a respectable 3&D player who can start on an average team. His defense projects to be good enough to be a primary stopper. Offensively, he looks like he'll be at least good enough from 3-point range that teams will be reluctant to leave him wide open, and he'll attack a closeout and finish on the break. With just another year or so of defensive reps and catch-and-shoot 3-ball practice, he should be a Derrick Jones Jr. tier of player, and that guy was a starter on a contender.

If his defense is at the higher end of projections and his 3-ball improves a bit more, he can be a Herbert Jones/OG Anunoby tier DOPY candidate wing defender capable of switching 1 through 5 while being reliable enough from distance that teams will not cheat off of him. If his 3-ball gets better still, maybe he's a Mikal Bridges - a great defender who is a legit offensive weapon in a 3rd option role.

And he can build from there. If he develops an off-the-bounce game, maybe he looks like a Jaylen Brown, Paul George, or even a Kawhi Leonard. That probably won't happen, but it could.
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#456 » by keynote » Mon Aug 12, 2024 6:20 pm

The Athletic ran a mini-mock re-draft of under-21 NBA players, based on upside:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5683955/2024/08/08/nba-21-and-under-mock-draft-wembanyama/

Wemby went #1, naturally; Paolo was #2.

24 players were drafted, including members of the '24 draft. Bilal and Sarr were not drafted.
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#457 » by J-Ves » Mon Aug 12, 2024 6:33 pm

keynote wrote:The Athletic ran a mini-mock re-draft of under-21 NBA players, based on upside:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5683955/2024/08/08/nba-21-and-under-mock-draft-wembanyama/

Wemby went #1, naturally; Paolo was #2.

24 players were drafted, including members of the '24 draft. Bilal and Sarr were not drafted.

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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#458 » by gambitx777 » Tue Aug 13, 2024 6:08 am

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Give the kid some time to grow lol my lord . There is 0 reason to be this negative!

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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#459 » by AFM » Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:53 pm

He's a bust though. Have I mentioned how handsome I think Deni is?
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Re: Bilal Coulibaly 

Post#460 » by payitforward » Wed Aug 14, 2024 1:01 pm

keynote wrote:The Athletic ran a mini-mock re-draft of under-21 NBA players, based on upside:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5683955/2024/08/08/nba-21-and-under-mock-draft-wembanyama/

Wemby went #1, naturally; Paolo was #2....

Pretty typical inanity.
Paolo Banchero was a little better in his 2d year than as a rookie. But, he wasn't actually good by any stretch of the imagination.

"But... but... but... look how many points he scores! He must be good."
How about looking at how many shots it takes him to score those points? He posted a .545 TS% last year. That's terrible for a big.

He's also an average rebounder at best. Oh, & turns the ball over a lot.

Compare him to Chet if you want to understand what a "good young player" is.

Not saying he'll never develop, btw.

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